Yep. A true Atheist would not have any moral standard telling him to
care whether others believed religion or not, except possibly, his own
safety. I dont see why a true Atheist would care if he died; but if he
wanted to reduce that risk, then he'd promote faith in Gaia.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by a 'true' Atheist. Atheists are

On Jun 22, 6:57 pm, Day Brown <daybr... at (no spam) daybrown.org> wrote:
Yep. A true Atheist would not have any moral standard telling him to
care whether others believed religion or not, except possibly, his own
safety. I dont see why a true Atheist would care if he died; but if he
wanted to reduce that risk, then he'd promote faith in Gaia.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by a 'true' Atheist. Atheists are
only normal people who are labelled so because theism exists. If there
was a gult of belief in Unicorns, then they'd be A-unicornists. If
there was not theism there would be no need for a word. So atheists
don't do anything in particular because of their atheism, whether
'true' or anything else.

Atheists, like all human beings, have moral standards, even if, like
all human beings, they don't always follow them.

It is a wicked myth that wishes to claim that religions have anything
to do with morality - they claimed it for their own as a massive act
of plaguiarism.

Atheists, like other humans, enjoy life generally and wish to live to
have more of it. So they do usually care if they die.
What you say below my friend is a moral judgment.
You should learn more about the world, you have a very twisted view of
it at the moment!
On what basis do you make it? I admit I dont know all Atheists, and

Peter H.M. Brooks wrote:
On Jun 22, 6:57 pm, Day Brown <daybr... at (no spam) daybrown.org> wrote:
Yep. A true Atheist would not have any moral standard telling him to
care whether others believed religion or not, except possibly, his own
safety. I dont see why a true Atheist would care if he died; but if he
wanted to reduce that risk, then he'd promote faith in Gaia.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by a 'true' Atheist. Atheists are
only normal people who are labelled so because theism exists. If there
was a gult of belief in Unicorns, then they'd be A-unicornists. If
there was not theism there would be no need for a word. So atheists
don't do anything in particular because of their atheism, whether
'true' or anything else.

Atheists, like all human beings, have moral standards, even if, like
all human beings, they don't always follow them.

It is a wicked myth that wishes to claim that religions have anything
to do with morality - they claimed it for their own as a massive act
of plaguiarism.

Atheists, like other humans, enjoy life generally and wish to live to
have more of it. So they do usually care if they die.

What you say below my friend is a moral judgment.> You should learn more about the world, you have a very twisted view of
it at the moment!

On what basis do you make it? I admit I dont know all Atheists, and
refer to those posting- who often respond in an emotional manner
and with ad hominum. I dont see why anyone else would care what
your opinion of my view of the world is.

My position is merely pragmatic. If you impose Atheism, as we see the
Communists did, what you get is a personality cult. If you dont, then
what you usually see is some religion designed to pander to the alpha
male ego with a tyrant concept of the divine. Which is just as bad.

Marxism is a religion, just like the rest, the dogma of the blessed

The data is [are - datum is the singular of data] obscure, but there have been cultures where the accepted
concept of the divine was the Great Earth Mother, and in that case,
what we see is peace and prosperity. Whatever you personally believe,
if you wish to practice your atheism in peace, then you'd do well to
promote the faith in the Goddess.

I think that you'll find, if you read an authority such as Fraser's

Peter H.M. Brooks wrote:
The data is [are - datum is the singular of data] obscure, but there have been cultures where the accepted
concept of the divine was the Great Earth Mother, and in that case,
what we see is peace and prosperity. Whatever you personally believe,
if you wish to practice your atheism in peace, then you'd do well to
promote the faith in the Goddess.

I think that you'll find, if you read an authority such as Fraser's
'Golden Bough', there is little evidence for any religions leading to
peace and prosperity, even those with female deities. You might wish
to note that Kali, a great earth mother, was the force behind the thug
cult and an attractor of human sacrifice.

There's lotsa data. "The Children of Kali" by Rushby looked into
the Thuggee and found it was all Victorian British PR bullshit.
What was really going on was that the Thuggee PRETENDED to be
pilgrims to Kali festivals. The temples were the victims of
the Thuggee, not the perpetrators.

I'll look out the book, it sounds fun. Here's one comment:

You don't 'practice atheism'. You live your life. It is only theists
who practice things based on artificial belief systems.

If it weren't for theism then there would be no atheism, just as
nobody needs to claim that they don't believe in little green men from
Mars until somebody claims they exist.

If you want to learn something, which doesn't seem likely, but, just
in case, you could do worse than read Theodore Dalrymple's 'The Age of
Kali' to get a bit more of a picture about goddesses.

As above you see there are contrary opinions. There's also "Ancient
Goddesses" by archeologists Goodison and Morris, who mention on the
flyleaf of the controversy of the Chalcolithic Age of Peace. So, they
set out to dig into a virgin tel specifically looking for layers of
burnt rubble or other such *evidence* of warfare.

They did find a layer of burnt rubble, but then trenching out, find
it was just a single housefire. And to judge by the placement of
sacred objects in the floor in the corners, a ritual event.

I also have a copy of Gimbutas' "the Language of the Goddess" with a
forward by Joseph Campbell, which he closes with:"The message here is
of an actual age of peace and harmony with the creative energies of
Nature, which for a spell of some 4000 prehistoric years anteceded the
5000 of what James Joyce has termed the "nightmare" (of contending
tribal and national interests) from which it is certainly time for this
planet to wake."

I've quoted this often on forums since I first read it 10 years ago,
and have yet to find anyone who can point to any evidence dug out of
any Chalcolithic tel on the floodplains of the rivers that empty into
the West end of the Black sea to show warfare during this 4000 years.

Gimbutas, among others, notes the whole region was abandoned. Since
her time the pace of abandonment has been somewhat exposed. It looks
like Anthrax because the area remained uninhabited for scores if
years or longer. The abandonment begins with the domestication of
the horse; which prolly brought the disease in from the Steppes.

And so there is an exodus. Part takes the world's first plank hulled
sail boats down to the Agean Cycladic isles to become the Minoan. And
again, there is a remarkable lack of signs of warfare until after the
disastrous eruption of Mt Stronghyle on Thera, the weakening of the
culture, and then Mycenean conquest. But until they show up, there's
no signs of violence among the Minoans at all. No iconography of war,
weapons, warriors, or kings.

You only have to look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minoan_civilization

If people were rational atheism mite [?? might?] work. But they are not, and
will believe any damn thing. But if the accepted concept of the
divine is the Goddess, then you can imagine the problem a demagogue
would have trying to claim that *he* speaks in *HER* name. Its real
simple. Show me any example from history where atheism has actually
produced peace.

Well, yes, people will believe anything and, before scientific

Atheism is not gonna solve this problem. Men still want all the pussy
they can get and will corrupt any system you can design. Women running
things have very different results, and I can tell you from personal
experience that tantric sex with a surrogate of the goddess will blow
atheism out of the mind of any man with balls.
       
I've nothing against tantric sex, but to try to claim that it turns