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| Dono... |
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 6:04 pm |
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On Jun 25, 8:02 pm, Jerry <Cephalobus_alie... at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
you should have it by now
tough to get Pete to admit to error and lying (almost as difficult as
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| Jerry... |
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 6:53 pm |
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On Jun 25, 11:04 pm, Dono <sa... at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
Quote: On Jun 25, 8:02 pm, Jerry <Cephalobus_alie... at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
On Jun 25, 9:18 pm, Dono <sa... at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
I had a look at your solution :
http://www.geocities.com/physics_world/sr/cyclotron.htm
Please provide a link to YOUR solution.
It's best if you keep the two links together.
Jerry
you should have it by now
tough to get Pete to admit to error and lying (almost as difficult as
the other Peter,aka "Surfer")
Where is YOUR solution? I would like to see both.
Jerry |
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| N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)... |
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:57 pm |
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Dear Jerry:
"Jerry" <Cephalobus_alienus at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote in message
news:4e5e1777-1cfd-4c05-b494-737470a9c03f at (no spam) m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
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Quote: I haven't looked at Pete's work yet, since a lot
of my time has been spent with my
grandmother, who had a stroke while in town
for my graduation. She is having to relearn how
to speak and to write, although all of her other
faculties are intact. Her speech is very slow
and she is pronouncing every word one by one,
which makes it difficult for me to understand
her. Chinese words have "official" tones, but in
normal speech, the tones glide into each other.
My ears are attuned to normal speech, and
hearing the words spoken as if read from a
dictionary is very confusing to my ears. My
grandfather has been staying with her all day,
and he has been near exhaustion.
Then again, I'm also preparing to start my
residency in a few days, so if I don't read your
two derivations in the next week, I can't
promise ever to get to them.
I am sorry about your situation, I am glad for your graduation,
and that grandma is lucid (if not yet clear), and this particular
tempest comes up every couple of years, with earnest arguments on
both sides.
If we don't see you around once in a while, it will be our loss.
Good luck!
David A. Smith |
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| Tom Roberts... |
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:44 pm |
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Juan R. González-Álvarez wrote:
Quote: Tom Roberts wrote on Sun, 29 Jun 2008 19:28:33 +0200:
Tom Roberts wrote on Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:54:31 +0200:
It's much more than that. GR is formulated in terms of the metric and
its derivatives, and the metric _IS_ the geometry.
Only on a geometric formulation.
No. My statement was about how words are used. The metric and its
connection determine the geometry -- that is now those words are used.
You can discuss fields and such, but at base when the Lagrangian for
those fields is the scalar curvature of the manifold, those fields
determine the geometry.
The theory of GR is formulated in terms of a metric g_ab and its
corresponding connection (both linked via the metricity condition as you
know).
Yes.
Quote: But (and this is where you always fail) this is *not* true for DPI or FTG
theories. In FTG g_ab is not the metric of spacetime and has not
associated a connection (indeed the equation of motion is not geodesic).
BUT I AM NOT DISCUSSING THOSE THEORIES! I never have, and probably never
will (no time to research them).
Quote: Sometimes this non-geometrical g_ab is called an "effective metric" to
emphasize that is not the real metric but just a geometrical analogy may
be useful in some cases.
Those theories can do whatever they want/need. That does not affect the
geometrical nature of GR at all.
Quote: Not a single experiment or observation has tested a geometrical picture
of gravitation and disproved non-geometrical theories of gravity.
Sure, because experiments test THEORIES, not "gravity".
You said earlier "Not a single experiment has tested General Relativity
over alternatives as FTG or a DPI theory." -- this is equivalent to
turning your claim around: Not a single experiment or observation has
tested a non-geometrical theory of gravity and disproved a geometrical
theory of gravity.
Quote: Of course more advanced and general formulations of electrodynamics
have *not* fibre bundle formulation. Geometry again is recovered as
approximation.
"More advanced" = unsupported and unproven.
Far from true.
Not really. See above. You said "Not a single experiment has tested
General Relativity over alternatives as FTG or a DPI theory." So the
latter are indeed "unsupported and unproven", at least insofar as they
differ from GR.
Establishing a new theoy of physics requires experiments. Ones that are
consistent with the new theory and are inconsistent with the old theory.
That is how science progresses. Until you get such experiments for "FTG
or a DPI theory", they will remain curiosities and out of the mainstream.
Quote: For instance, Chubykalo et
al's paper has "instantaneous interactions" only in the title, and does
not show any actual problem with retarded L-W potentials (though I
believe they displayed an inadequacy of the standard notation).
I already tried to correct your misreadings and misunderstandings about
their paper in the past but, I am sorry, without success.
Your attempts have been ineffective because YOU do not seem to
understand the issue. Do this:
Quote: To see this, try my earlier challenge: show where in their paper
any
property of the source is evaluated at the instantaneous time,
not the
retarded time.
Your confusion between the time implicit with the time explicit
dependence was also corrected in the past.
That's IRRELEVANT. To establish "instantaneous interactions" you must
show where the source properties are evaluated at the non-retarded time.
Nothing less will do. And you have not done so. Discussions of "explicit
and implicit time dependence" will not do so. I searched that paper in
vain for such an evaluation, and unless you can correct an error in my
search, you have nothing (and neither do the authors).
Tom Roberts |
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