I’m not a chemist, but just had this idea, does the
reaction created, when combining a few atoms of
hydrogen and carbon to form methane, release
energy, in the same way that hydrogen and oxygen
does when they combine to form H2O?

Dear pix...:

On Jun 30, 1:42 pm, pix... at (no spam) googlemail.com wrote:

I’m not a chemist, but just had this idea, does the
reaction created, when combining a few atoms of
hydrogen and carbon to form methane, release
energy, in the same way that hydrogen and oxygen
does when they combine to form H2O?

The problem is that less energy is released to form methane, than to
produce its products of oxidation.  Additionally, the second law of
thermodynamics requires that the process take even more energy that
"ideal", and that goes away as waste heat.

Search on the enthalpy of oxygen, methane, water and CO2.

David A. Smith

On 30 Jun, 22:25, dlzc <dl... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
...
Thanks, for your answer, so entropy always
wins in the end.. I guess,

if it had been possible then nature would
have got there first.

The process you describe is *not* unknown, it called "water gas" - reacting
red hot coal with steam to give a mixture of useful flammable gasses (H2 and
CO)- *but* it's an endothermic process, it absorbs heat to do the reaction,

I’m not a chemist, but just had this idea, does the reaction created,
when combining a few atoms of hydrogen and carbon to form methane,
release energy, in the same way that hydrogen and oxygen does when
they combine to form H2O? Because, if you used that same energy to
split the H2O, to gain more hydrogen, to form more methane then you
could get the process to power it’s self, converting water to methane
that is if the electrolysis was 100% efficient! Though I’m assuming it
isn’t, so maybe it’s also possible to use the oxygen atoms from
splitting the H2O, to oxidize the methane to methanol; to generate
more energy... Are there other reactions, on the pathway to forming
ethanol from methane, which would generate the energy needed for the
original electrolysis of water? I would be very surprised if this was
possible, I think one of the problems would be where you obtain the
carbon atoms to form the methane in the first place, can you
electrolyze carbon dioxide?

In the late 60's, the Sci. Mags and the Patent Office had

Enjoy and do chemistry & technology!... but Fuck enviros!

pixzor at (no spam) googlemail.com> wrote in message

Yo, Pixor,
if it would not have been for the miserable Green Shits,
those mother fucking enviros, who obstructed the
development of nuclear power for the last 40 years
and precipitated the current oil crisis AND caused the
Global Warming, which these enviro turds whine about,
then your hope for "Converting CO2 and H2O to Methane"
would be a possible industrial endeavor by now.

"hanson" <hanson at (no spam) quick.net> wrote

VD Scotty wrote:

"hanson" <hanson at (no spam) quick.net> wrote:

But it was Nazi Reichsmarshall and Luftwaffe-Chief Hermann

"Why, of course, the people don't want war," Hermann Goering

These tactics of selling doom & fears teaches & instills all

Well, see there VD Scotty... like I said, that and what was

Modern, attributal definitions of enviro classifications:

The most intriguing fact though is that during the past 40 years

I¹m not a chemist <snip