The fine structure constant alpha is said to be running
with energy as (from various QED textbooks)

1/alpha(E) = 1/alpha - (1/3 pi) ln (E^2/m^2)

where m is the electron mass, ln the natural logarithm,
and alpha without index is 1/137.036.

But many papers mention that at 90 Gev, alpha is around 1/128.
This is in contradiction with the above formula, which would give
a value of around 133 at 90 GeV.

Is the discrepancy due to the fact that the formula
misses the hadronic corrections?

As a result, what value is expected for alpha at
10^19GeV? Where can one look this up?

Frank

On Jun 27, 4:32?am, frank_k_shel... at (no spam) yahoo.co.uk wrote:
The fine structure constant alpha is said to be running
with energy as (from various QED textbooks)

snip
Frank, the fine structure constant is, by definition, the
dimensionless ratio between the electron's electrical potential energy
and rest mass energy. It is unlikely that alpha could "run" with
energy because it is set by the geometry of the electron.

There is another famous dimensionless constant "PI" that is also an
irrational number (goes on forevver without end) that shows these
constants are based on geometric ratios.

I think you are on the right path in looking for some correction to
the measurement methods. The running of their measurement has to be
an artifact of their measurement methods.

See; http://members.aol.com/tnlockyer/CHARGESPIN.pdf

Hope the link works,

Regards, Tom

On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 08:52:40 -0700 (PDT), "tnlock... at (no spam) aol.com"



tnlock... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
On Jun 27, 4:32?am, frank_k_shel... at (no spam) yahoo.co.uk wrote:
The fine structure constant alpha is said to be running
with energy as (from various QED textbooks)

snip
Frank, the fine structure constant is, by definition, the
dimensionless ratio between the electron's electrical potential energy
and rest mass energy. � It is unlikely that alpha could "run" with
energy because it is set by the geometry of �the electron.

It might be instructive if you stated the two quantities whose ratio
is alpha. I have alpha = e^2/2hceps0 but can't see your ratio there.

snip

I think you are on the right path in looking for some correction to
the measurement methods. �The running of their measurement has to be
an artifact of their measurement methods.

See; � �http://members.aol.com/tnlockyer/CHARGESPIN.pdf

Hope the link works,

Regards, Tom- -

On Jun 28, 6:50?pm, John C. Polasek <jpola... at (no spam) cfl.rr.com> wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 08:52:40 -0700 (PDT), "tnlock... at (no spam) aol.com"



tnlock... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
On Jun 27, 4:32?am, frank_k_shel... at (no spam) yahoo.co.uk wrote:
The fine structure constant alpha is said to be running
with energy as (from various QED textbooks)

snip
Frank, the fine structure constant is, by definition, the
dimensionless ratio between the electron's electrical potential energy
and rest mass energy. ? It is unlikely that alpha could "run" with
energy because it is set by the geometry of ?the electron.

Frank says;
It might be instructive if you stated the two quantities whose ratio
is alpha. I have alpha = e^2/2hceps0 but can't see your ratio there.


Your equation is in obselete cgs units, Frank.

The International MetricSystem (SI) is the modern language of science,
and I find it more intuitive.

See the following link I gave you, Figure 4, left panel bottom
calculation.

The fine structure constant can be derived from a number of different
math equations but all are traceable to the geometry, as demonstrated
by the derivation shown.

Alpha= (Flux x 2 x e)/ h

snip

I think you are on the right path in looking for some correction to
the measurement methods. ?The running of their measurement has to be
an artifact of their measurement methods.

See; ? ?http://members.aol.com/tnlockyer/CHARGESPIN.pdf

Hope the link works,

Regards, Tom- -

P.S. See; www.amazon.com 096315463X for more information.
The link doesnt work.

On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 10:18:28 -0700 (PDT), "tnlock... at (no spam) aol.com"





tnlock... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
On Jun 28, 6:50?pm, John C. Polasek <jpola... at (no spam) cfl.rr.com> wrote:
On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 08:52:40 -0700 (PDT), "tnlock... at (no spam) aol.com"

tnlock... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
On Jun 27, 4:32?am, frank_k_shel... at (no spam) yahoo.co.uk wrote:
The fine structure constant alpha is said to be running
with energy as (from various QED textbooks)

snip
Frank, the fine structure constant is, by definition, the
dimensionless ratio between the electron's electrical potential energy
and rest mass energy. ? It is unlikely that alpha could "run" with
energy because it is set by the geometry of ?the electron.

Frank says;
It might be instructive if you stated the two quantities whose ratio
is alpha. I have alpha = e^2/2hceps0 but can't see your ratio there.

Your equation is in obselete cgs units, Frank.

The International MetricSystem (SI) is the modern language of science,
and I find it more intuitive.

See the following link I gave you, Figure 4, left panel bottom
calculation.

The fine structure constant can be derived from a number of different
math equations but all are traceable to the geometry, as demonstrated
by the derivation shown.

Alpha= (Flux x 2 x e)/ h

snip

I think you are on the right path in looking for some correction to
the measurement methods. ?The running of their measurement has to be
an artifact of their measurement methods.

See; ? ?http://members.aol.com/tnlockyer/CHARGESPIN.pdf

Hope the link works,

Regards, Tom- �-

P.S. �See; �www.amazon.com� � 096315463X � for more information.

The link doesnt work.
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The fine structure constant alpha is said to be running
with energy as (from various QED textbooks)

1/alpha(E) = 1/alpha - (1/3 pi) ln (E^2/m^2)

where m is the electron mass, ln the natural logarithm,
and alpha without index is 1/137.036.

But many papers mention that at 90 Gev, alpha is around 1/128.
This is in contradiction with the above formula, which would give
a value of around 133 at 90 GeV.

Is the discrepancy due to the fact that the formula
misses the hadronic corrections?

As a result, what value is expected for alpha at
10^19GeV? Where can one look this up?

Frank

On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:47:23 -0700 (PDT), "tnlock... at (no spam) aol.com"

tnlock... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
http://members.aol.com/tnlockyer/CHARGESPIN.pdf

Nope: did not recognize the link

There is another famous dimensionless constant "PI" that is also an
irrational number (goes on forevver without end) that shows these
constants are based on geometric ratios.

A while back, I came up with something that defined alpha, the fine
structure constant, in terms of geometry and Chaos Theory constants:
Its an irrational number:

alpha=7.29 735 257 240 051 31... x10^-3
1/alpha=137.035 999 025 471 68...

Regards,
Jay Bala.

There is another famous dimensionless constant "PI" that is also an
irrational number (goes on forevver without end) that shows these
constants are based on geometric ratios.

http://members.aol.com/tnlockyer/CHARGESPIN.pdf
Nope: did not recognize the link

http://www.members.aol.com/tnlockyer/CHARGESPIN.pdf

On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:52:41 -0700 (PDT), "tnlock... at (no spam) aol.com"

tnlock... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
http://www.members.aol.com/tnlockyer/CHARGESPIN.pdf

Tom, this is my result, copy/pasted:
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On Jun 30, 7:22�pm, John C. Polasek <jpola... at (no spam) cfl.rr.com> wrote:

On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:52:41 -0700 (PDT), "tnlock... at (no spam) aol.com"

tnlock... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
http://www.members.aol.com/tnlockyer/CHARGESPIN.pdf

Tom, this is my result, copy/pasted:
Your search -http://www.members.aol.com/tnlockyer/CHARGESPIN.pdf-
did not match any documents.
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John Polasek

John, I click on your paste and the link shows up.

 I can't imagine what is wrong with your access.

 Has no one else had your problem?

Regards; Tom.

http://www.amazon.com/Fundamental-Physical-Constants-Geometric-Struct...

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tnlock... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 1, 9:21�am, "tnlock... at (no spam) aol.com" <tnlock... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
On Jun 30, 7:22?pm, John C. Polasek <jpola... at (no spam) cfl.rr.com> wrote:

On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:52:41 -0700 (PDT), "tnlock... at (no spam) aol.com"

tnlock... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
http://www.members.aol.com/tnlockyer/CHARGESPIN.pdf

Tom, this is my result, copy/pasted:
Your search -http://www.members.aol.com/tnlockyer/CHARGESPIN.pdf-
did not match any documents.
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Suggestions:

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John Polasek

John, I click on your paste and the link shows up.

�I can't imagine what is wrong with your access.

�Has no one else had your problem?

Regards; Tom.

http://www.amazon.com/Fundamental-Physical-Constants-Geometric-Struct...

John, try this:

Go to:

http://www.members.aol.com/tnlockyer/

Then go down the list and double click on CHARGESPIN.pdf

BTW. while you are there, you might like to download �:

Quantumstepresistancedissipation.pdf

I wrote this paper a couple of years ago and never got around to
publishing it, rathe I included the information in my book available
from Amazon.com

Yes, that's a wonderful list of your papers. We haven't seen your hand
in a couple of years. I tried to absorb the ideas. In chargespin it
looks like Poynting is chasing his tail, in fact it looks like the
curl of some quantity. Are you able to arrive at the magic number
1836?
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