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Luis A. Afonso...
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 2:46 pm
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AFTER ALL, Jack Tomsky, one of the ignorants was R.A. Fisher !!!

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Afonso found someone on the Internet who is as ignorant about hypothesis testing as he is.
Jack (moderator)
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Jack Tomsky that I did find **** another ignorant *** that believes a Null Hypotheses could not stated true.
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Ronald A. Fisher succinctly discusses the key point

In relation to any experiment we may speak cf… the “ null hypotheses “ and it should be noted that the null hypotheses is never proved or established, but is possibly disproved in the course of experimentation. Every experiment may be said to exist only in order to give the facts a chance of disproving the null hypotheses.
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Luis Amaral Afonso [The moderator destroyer]
Jack Tomsky...
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 6:34 pm
Guest
Quote:
AFTER ALL, Jack Tomsky, one of the ignorants was R.A.
Fisher !!!

*************

Afonso found someone on the Internet who is as
ignorant about hypothesis testing as he is.
Jack (moderator)
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Jack Tomsky that I did find **** another ignorant ***
that believes a Null Hypotheses could not stated
true.
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www.minitab.com/support/answers/answer.aspx?log=0&id=1
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***
Ronald A. Fisher succinctly discusses the key point

In relation to any experiment we may speak cf… the “
null hypotheses “ and it should be noted that the
null hypotheses is never proved or established, but
is possibly disproved in the course of
experimentation. Every experiment may be said to
exist only in order to give the facts a chance of
disproving the null hypotheses.
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Luis Amaral Afonso [The moderator destroyer]




Fisher is talking about proof or disproof of the null hypothesis. That doesn't stop one from being able to make a decision to accept either the null hypothesis or the alternative hypothesis. Proof and acceptance are not the same thing. That's why we have type I and type II errors.

Jack (moderator)
Luis A. Afonso...
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:24 am
Guest
Jack Tomsky said

*** Afonso made this up. I have always said that p=0 means p=0. Afonso's position has always been that p=0 does not mean that p=0.***


My response

Do you see, bokdan.hermicz at (no spam) googlemail.com how wasteful was your help move to Jack Tomsky endless imbecilities concerning Hypotheses Tests?
He is unable to understand that when we
*********** fail to reject H0 **************
is not synonymous that this condition p=0 is proved true. Consequently to state p=0 is the Himalaya of stupidity. I had shown, through n example, (unsuccessfully) that H0 failed to be rejected is compatible with a more or less large interval p could be found. On the limit (infinite sample size) one could think CI amplitude equal to ZERO:
Even protected by a pseudonymous is very risky bokdan.hermicz at (no spam) googlemail.com to support Jack´s imbecilities.

Luis Amaral Afonso [The moderator destroyer]
Jack Tomsky...
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:58 am
Guest
Quote:
Jack Tomsky said

*** Afonso made this up. I have always said that p=0
means p=0. Afonso's position has always been that p=0
does not mean that p=0.***


My response

Do you see, bokdan.hermicz at (no spam) googlemail.com how
wasteful was your help move to Jack Tomsky endless
imbecilities concerning Hypotheses Tests?
He is unable to understand that when we
*********** fail to reject H0 **************
is not synonymous that this condition p=0 is proved
true. Consequently to state p=0 is the Himalaya of
stupidity. I had shown, through n example,
(unsuccessfully) that H0 failed to be rejected is
compatible with a more or less large interval p could
be found. On the limit (infinite sample size) one
could think CI amplitude equal to ZERO:
Even protected by a pseudonymous is very risky
bokdan.hermicz at (no spam) googlemail.com to support Jack´s
imbecilities.

Luis Amaral Afonso [The moderator destroyer]



Afonso again pretends that he doesn't understand the meaning of accepting a hypothesis. He pretends that acceptance is synonymous with proof. His type II errors are uniformly zero.

Jack (moderator)
Luis A. Afonso...
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:58 pm
Guest
__1__ Considering the set of all possible parameter’s values (the parameters space) and the sub-set that leads to NOT REJECTING H0. I called *** THE ACCEPTANCE INTERVAL*** (generally speaking, an interval),.
__2__Because though it contains the parameter value relative to THE NULL HYPOTHESES *** which’s A SINGLE POINT OF THE PARAMETERS SPACE ***
__3__IN CONSEQUENCE IS ABSURD TO STATE THAT ONE ACCEPT THE NULL HYPOTHESES BECAUSE IT WAS PROVEN TRUE. The most one can say is that there was no sufficient evidence to reject H0. (Jack Tomsky in view of the tremendous ignorance he is shown in various Statistical matters is not allowed to call Statisticians to whatever: he unquestionably proves that do not belongs to this set of persons). Luis Amaral Afonso

[The moderator destroyer]
Jack Tomsky...
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:35 pm
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Quote:
__1__ Considering the set of all possible parameter’s
values (the parameters space) and the sub-set that
leads to NOT REJECTING H0. I called *** THE
ACCEPTANCE INTERVAL*** (generally speaking, an
interval),.



This is not an acceptance interval. The interval of parameters whose corresponding hypotheses are accepted is called a confidence interval.



Quote:
__2__Because though it contains the parameter value
relative to THE NULL HYPOTHESES *** which’s A SINGLE
POINT OF THE PARAMETERS SPACE ***
__3__IN CONSEQUENCE IS ABSURD TO STATE THAT ONE
ACCEPT THE NULL HYPOTHESES BECAUSE IT WAS PROVEN
TRUE.



In order to accept the null hypothesis, it is not necessary to prove that it must be true. That's why we have type I and type II errors. Under Afonso's thinking about statistical inference, one would never be allowed to estimate a parameter if the standard error is positive.




The most one can say is that there was no
Quote:
sufficient evidence to reject H0. (Jack Tomsky in
view of the tremendous ignorance he is shown in
various Statistical matters is not allowed to call
Statisticians to whatever: he unquestionably proves
that do not belongs to this set of persons). Luis
Amaral Afonso

[The moderator destroyer]



I call on all statisticians not to accept Afonso's incorrect terminology and ideas. Remember that "accept" does not mean "prove".

Jack (moderator)
 
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