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jay...
Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 8:40 am
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Quote:
... an inflammatory reaction in your intestines
may have triggered inflammation in your spine
or elsewhere along the sciatic nerve.

Amy one dumb enough to believe this would eat fad diets

Pubmed abstract 16624634 mentions "Interestingly, neuronal changes may
also occur in segments of the gastrointestinal tract remote from the
site of the original inflammation ... Sometimes, the inflamed site may
even be outside the gut".

Could this be another possibility:
Arachidonate-Induced Experimental Nerve Infarction.
Despite the clinical importance of ischemia in the pathogenesis of
many human neuropathies, little is known about the effect of
circulatory compromise on the structure of peripheral nerves. This
results in part from the lack of an entirely satisfactory model in
which to study ischemic neuropathy. We therefore injected arachidonic
acid, a potent stimulus to platelet aggregation and vasoconstriction,
into the femoral artery of normal rats. This resulted in the rapid
onset of focal infarction of the proximal posterior tibial nerve in
all animals. Distally there was evidence of Wallerian degeneration but
not of primary ischemic damage. The site and nature of the infarct and
the temporal sequence of the pathological changes were highly
consistent. This new method is a simple and highly reproducible means
of producing experimental nerve infarction. PMID: 7229655

Quote:
... Sciatica is not caused by the spine, it is caused where the
nerve crosses the Sciatic notch on the hip.

According to wiki, one cause of sciatica is direct compression of the
sciatic nerve. Sometimes the compression occurs near the spine,
possibly due to a buldging disk. The other major cause is inflammation
of the nerve itself.

Quote:
You may be right since my problems first started with the digestive
system. Would inflammation in the intestines raise cholesterol?

THAT is a possibility, unlikely, but a possibility,
unlike the idiot claim that it effects your hip.

Didn't say it affected my hips.

Quote:
Total: 400, 393

I'd get it rechecked -

Since it has been as high as 447 back in 2003, I think the
measurements are accurate.

Quote:
Just goes to show how worthless BMI is.
When my BMI was 44.2,
my excess fat (tested, not estimated) was 15%

Are you an athelete or body builder?
jay...
Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 4:39 pm
Guest
Quote:
... Perhaps the fruit and nuts you had earlier weren't well digested,
and the sirloin had some sort of bacteria in it.  
In any case, an inflammatory reaction in your intestines
may have triggered inflammation in your spine
or elsewhere along the sciatic nerve.

For a time period in the past, I had episodes of Small Intestinal
Bacterial Overgrowth (SIBO), during which time, antibiotics not only
eliminated the gas/bloating but also the sciatica that came with it.
Since it would keep returning, I tried different antibiotics. The
first time I used Flagyl, I experienced the my worst sciatica that
lasted a few days. The sciatic nerves starting from the spine, through
the buttocks, down the back of the thighs, along the calves down to
the ankles felt tender when pressed. Subsequently, Flagyl relieved the
bloating and sciatica without aggravating it. Some suggested that it
was a Herxheimer Reaction.

And I would also get SIBO/sciatica when I tried to repopulate my gut
with probiotics. My GI had made enemies not only with good bacteria
but with most common foods too. Eating eating soy beans would give me
symptoms the same as restless legs.

Looking thru my food log book, I can see that I frequently experience
moderate sciatica after barbeque dinners (beef, sausage, salad). But
maybe the strong sciatica this time involved a dose of bacteria as you
suggested.
ted rosenberg...
Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 6:23 pm
Guest
W. Baker wrote:<snip>
Quote:
Ted,

In my case the cause of my sciatica is stenosis in the 4th lumbar
vertebra, whihc pinches the sciatic nerve causing pain in the hip and down
the leg(originally only the right leg, but now down both, usually not at
the same time.

Wendy


You have been listening to Chiro-quacks It is possible, at least you

have the right nerve, but in general, only Chiros. who think EVERYTHING
is in the spine, thinl it is anywhere other than where the nerve crosses
the notch. Ice on the notch, and massage are GREAT - I have had
Sciatica for 50 years.
ted rosenberg...
Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 6:43 pm
Guest
jay wrote:
Quote:
... an inflammatory reaction in your intestines
may have triggered inflammation in your spine
or elsewhere along the sciatic nerve.

Amy one dumb enough to believe this would eat fad diets


Pubmed abstract 16624634 mentions "Interestingly, neuronal changes may
also occur in segments of the gastrointestinal tract remote from the
site of the original inflammation ... Sometimes, the inflamed site may
even be outside the gut".

Could this be another possibility:
Arachidonate-Induced Experimental Nerve Infarction.
Despite the clinical importance of ischemia in the pathogenesis of
many human neuropathies, little is known about the effect of
circulatory compromise on the structure of peripheral nerves. This
results in part from the lack of an entirely satisfactory model in
which to study ischemic neuropathy. We therefore injected arachidonic
acid, a potent stimulus to platelet aggregation and vasoconstriction,
into the femoral artery of normal rats. This resulted in the rapid
onset of focal infarction of the proximal posterior tibial nerve in
all animals. Distally there was evidence of Wallerian degeneration but
not of primary ischemic damage. The site and nature of the infarct and
the temporal sequence of the pathological changes were highly
consistent. This new method is a simple and highly reproducible means
of producing experimental nerve infarction. PMID: 7229655


So what - that is not proof, tat is one person's unsupported opinion.

Just because it is in PubMed doesn't mean it proves anything, you need a
LOT more info, and confirming tests.
Quote:
... Sciatica is not caused by the spine, it is caused where the
nerve crosses the Sciatic notch on the hip.


According to wiki, one cause of sciatica is direct compression of the
sciatic nerve. Sometimes the compression occurs near the spine,
possibly due to a buldging disk. The other major cause is inflammation
of the nerve itself.

That is "according to Wiki" NOT A RELIABLE SOURCE FOR ANYTHING.


The only problem with Wiki is that it is in Cyberspace. If it were on
paper,m you could use it for toilet paper.
I can go on with the other WikiWaki's and post any crap I want as if it
were true
Quote:

You may be right since my problems first started with the digestive
system. Would inflammation in the intestines raise cholesterol?

THAT is a possibility, unlikely, but a possibility,
unlike the idiot claim that it effects your hip.


Didn't say it affected my hips.

No, but that is where the inflammation of the Sciatic nerve occurs.

Even if you are right about a bulging disk, no intestinal or stomach
involvement
Quote:

Total: 400, 393

I'd get it rechecked -


Since it has been as high as 447 back in 2003, I think the
measurements are accurate.

It is not the total I worry about, the distribution looks a little odd.

Not necessarily inaccurate, but odd
Quote:
Just goes to show how worthless BMI is.
When my BMI was 44.2,
my excess fat (tested, not estimated) was 15%

Are you an athelete or body builder

Nope, not at all. . Now my youngest daughter has a lot of my build, AND

bicycles about 20-30 miles a day. She has a fairly high BMI, and almost
NO excess fat. No reputable dietary clinic uses BMI. I was in a study
once at Hopkins, and they were quite clear that our BMI was meaningless
W. Baker...
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 4:42 am
Guest
In alt.support.diabetes ted rosenberg <tedrosenberg at (no spam) iname.com> wrote:
: W. Baker wrote:<snip>
: > Ted,
: >
: > In my case the cause of my sciatica is stenosis in the 4th lumbar
: > vertebra, whihc pinches the sciatic nerve causing pain in the hip and down
: > the leg(originally only the right leg, but now down both, usually not at
: > the same time.
: >
: > Wendy
: >
: >
: You have been listening to Chiro-quacks It is possible, at least you
: have the right nerve, but in general, only Chiros. who think EVERYTHING
: is in the spine, thinl it is anywhere other than where the nerve crosses
: the notch. Ice on the notch, and massage are GREAT - I have had
: Sciatica for 50 years.

Nope, Board certified Anesthesiolois and pain specialist. Have also seen
hepictures from the osteopoorosis special xrays I recently had and can see
the difference between that one verteba and the others. They are all
light gray, #4 is black, indicating high density. In addition soher
abnormalities seen on ST scan taken earlier this year.

Wendy
ted rosenberg...
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:14 pm
Guest
W. Baker wrote:
Quote:
In alt.support.diabetes ted rosenberg <tedrosenberg at (no spam) iname.com> wrote:
: W. Baker wrote:<snip
: > Ted,
:
: > In my case the cause of my sciatica is stenosis in the 4th lumbar
: > vertebra, whihc pinches the sciatic nerve causing pain in the hip and down
: > the leg(originally only the right leg, but now down both, usually not at
: > the same time.
:
: > Wendy
:
:
: You have been listening to Chiro-quacks It is possible, at least you
: have the right nerve, but in general, only Chiros. who think EVERYTHING
: is in the spine, thinl it is anywhere other than where the nerve crosses
: the notch. Ice on the notch, and massage are GREAT - I have had
: Sciatica for 50 years.

Nope, Board certified Anesthesiolois and pain specialist. Have also seen
hepictures from the osteopoorosis special xrays I recently had and can see
the difference between that one verteba and the others. They are all
light gray, #4 is black, indicating high density. In addition soher
abnormalities seen on ST scan taken earlier this year.

Wendy

Gotta admit that the connection with the Sciatic nerve IS in the spine

(but NOT in the gut) so, while it contradicts what I have been told for
many years, it does make sense.
Trinkwasser...
Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 4:20 pm
Guest
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 23:14:18 -0400, ted rosenberg
<tedrosenberg at (no spam) iname.com> wrote:

Quote:
W. Baker wrote:
In alt.support.diabetes ted rosenberg <tedrosenberg at (no spam) iname.com> wrote:
: W. Baker wrote:<snip
: > Ted,
:
: > In my case the cause of my sciatica is stenosis in the 4th lumbar
: > vertebra, whihc pinches the sciatic nerve causing pain in the hip and down
: > the leg(originally only the right leg, but now down both, usually not at
: > the same time.
:
: > Wendy
:
:
: You have been listening to Chiro-quacks It is possible, at least you
: have the right nerve, but in general, only Chiros. who think EVERYTHING
: is in the spine, thinl it is anywhere other than where the nerve crosses
: the notch. Ice on the notch, and massage are GREAT - I have had
: Sciatica for 50 years.

Nope, Board certified Anesthesiolois and pain specialist. Have also seen
hepictures from the osteopoorosis special xrays I recently had and can see
the difference between that one verteba and the others. They are all
light gray, #4 is black, indicating high density. In addition soher
abnormalities seen on ST scan taken earlier this year.

Wendy

Gotta admit that the connection with the Sciatic nerve IS in the spine
(but NOT in the gut) so, while it contradicts what I have been told for
many years, it does make sense.

My old man had sciatica for many years, as Wendy says the cause was
"said" to be a disc pressing on the sciatic nerve, which is a long
bastard.

However the official treatments never did other than temporary
improvement and often not that, he found a decent osteopath who did
far better than the NHS people.

I guess some are quacks but some are clueful, much like doctors.
Taka...
Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:12 am
Guest
On Jun 18, 6:20 am, Trinkwasser <s... at (no spam) devnull.com.invalid> wrote:
Quote:
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 23:14:18 -0400, ted rosenberg



tedrosenb... at (no spam) iname.com> wrote:
W. Baker wrote:
In alt.support.diabetes ted rosenberg <tedrosenb... at (no spam) iname.com> wrote:
: W. Baker wrote:<snip
: > Ted,
:
: > In my case the cause of my sciatica is stenosis in the 4th lumbar
: > vertebra, whihc pinches the sciatic nerve causing pain in the hip and down
: > the leg(originally only the right leg, but now down both, usually not at
: > the same time.
:
: > Wendy
:
:
: You have been listening to Chiro-quacks It is possible, at least you
: have the right nerve, but in general, only Chiros. who think EVERYTHING
: is in the spine, thinl it is anywhere other than where the nerve crosses
: the notch. Ice on the notch, and massage are GREAT - I have had
: Sciatica for 50 years.

Nope, Board certified Anesthesiolois and pain specialist. Have also seen
hepictures from the osteopoorosis special xrays I recently had and can see
the difference between that one verteba and the others. They are all
light gray, #4 is black, indicating high density. In addition soher
abnormalities seen on ST scan taken earlier this year.

Wendy

Gotta admit that the connection with the Sciatic nerve IS in the spine
(but NOT in the gut) so, while it contradicts what I have been told for
many years, it does make sense.

My old man had sciatica for many years, as Wendy says the cause was
"said" to be a disc pressing on the sciatic nerve, which is a long
bastard.

However the official treatments never did other than temporary
improvement and often not that, he found a decent osteopath who did
far better than the NHS people.

I guess some are quacks but some are clueful, much like doctors.

I recommend you should go reading the following text:

http://www.caringmedical.com/conditions/Sciatica.htm

Taka
Trinkwasser...
Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:20 pm
Guest
On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 07:12:36 -0700 (PDT), Taka <taka0038 at (no spam) gmail.com>
wrote:

Quote:
On Jun 18, 6:20 am, Trinkwasser <s... at (no spam) devnull.com.invalid> wrote:


My old man had sciatica for many years, as Wendy says the cause was
"said" to be a disc pressing on the sciatic nerve, which is a long
bastard.

However the official treatments never did other than temporary
improvement and often not that, he found a decent osteopath who did
far better than the NHS people.

I guess some are quacks but some are clueful, much like doctors.

I recommend you should go reading the following text:

http://www.caringmedical.com/conditions/Sciatica.htm

er, too late, he died nearly 20 years ago

(may be useful for other sufferers though)

Basically AFAICR the osteopath kind of tied him up in a knot and
levered until something in his spine went clunk! and he was good to go
for weeks or months. Some of the infra red treatments, cortisol shots
etc.etc. had little or no effect and in some cases worsened his
symptoms. They may of course have worked for similar symptoms in other
individuals with a different cause.
Always Learning...
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 4:06 pm
Guest
Most times Sciatica can be triggered by not taking/refusing to take
Prescription Pain Medications. You cannot cure all things with
homeopathic means, that is just insane.

When my sciatica flares up I take some Oxycontin 40mg tablets and
within one hour the pain is gone. Taking weak drugs like aspirin or
ibuprofiun will do nothing except give you an upset stomach. Taking
those 'natural' drugs people think up will also do nothing for the
pain of sciatica.

If self-cures with herbs would truly relieve pain then doctors would
prescribe that since it would be easier to get AND would save the
patient money. Their is no incentive for a doctor to refuse or hide
some self-cure from a patient. When my doctor bills me $225 for a
visit he doesn't get more or less money depeding on which medication
he prescribes. I'm sure someone will get bent out of shape trying to
prove some conspiracy about how doctors prescribes certain drugs in
order to get a kickback. People should provide documents to prove such
silly conspiracies.

Hopefully the FDA will one day set rules for the herbs and vitamin
scam companies who claim their products cure anything from sciatica to
AIDS.

I remember once a while back taking St. Johns Wart for depression
since it was being claimed all over the place. After 3 months of
agonizing depression I had to ask a Doctor for some REAL MEDICINE.
Finally with a real SSRI antidepressant I was feeling better after
only 3 weeks and it worked. That experience taught me to never trust
anything other than drugs which needed a prescription.

Go ahead and eat your stupid grass formulas for cancer, just don't try
to promote that shit brain idea on everyone else.

Also, you guys' conspiracy theories are hilarious...about on par with
the grassy knoll killer of JFK.

Good luck selling your scams and hurting innocent people in the
process.
Susan...
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 4:16 pm
Guest
x-no-archive: yes

Always Learning wrote:
Quote:
Most times Sciatica can be triggered by not taking/refusing to take
Prescription Pain Medications. You cannot cure all things with
homeopathic means, that is just insane.

ROFL, are you for real??? So I should stay on drugs full time to avoid
my sudden sciatica flareups every few years?

Quote:

When my sciatica flares up I take some Oxycontin 40mg tablets and
within one hour the pain is gone. Taking weak drugs like aspirin or
ibuprofiun will do nothing except give you an upset stomach. Taking
those 'natural' drugs people think up will also do nothing for the
pain of sciatica.

Acupuncture is extremely effective for sciatica, very often, and doesn't
involve narcotics. You pays your money and choose your poison.

Quote:

If self-cures with herbs would truly relieve pain then doctors would
prescribe that since it would be easier to get AND would save the
patient money.

Uh, no, they wouldn't. No drug rep is delivering game tickets and
lunchy for the whole office to promote herbal cures, no herb company is
footing the bill for doctor's CMEs.

Their is no incentive for a doctor to refuse or hide
Quote:
some self-cure from a patient.

See above. You dont' know anything about U.S. medical practice incentives.

When my doctor bills me $225 for a
Quote:
visit he doesn't get more or less money depeding on which medication
he prescribes.


Oh, yes he does!!

I'm sure someone will get bent out of shape trying to
Quote:
prove some conspiracy about how doctors prescribes certain drugs in
order to get a kickback. People should provide documents to prove such
silly conspiracies.

It's not a conspiracy, it's capitalism at work and no one is disputing
how drug companies influence consensus guidelines. Doctors are
frustrated by it, but it's, frankly, the only way they get perqs and
bonuses any more.

Quote:

Hopefully the FDA will one day set rules for the herbs and vitamin
scam companies who claim their products cure anything from sciatica to
AIDS.

They don't do that for the drug companies, yet, and those products harm
millions every year, like HRT, Rezulin, LymeRix, statins...

Susan
Always Learning...
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:20 pm
Guest
On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:16:00 -0400, Susan <nevermind at (no spam) nomail.com> wrote
this stuff here :

Quote:
When my sciatica flares up I take some Oxycontin 40mg tablets and
within one hour the pain is gone. Taking weak drugs like aspirin or
ibuprofiun will do nothing except give you an upset stomach. Taking
those 'natural' drugs people think up will also do nothing for the
pain of sciatica.

Acupuncture is extremely effective for sciatica, very often, and doesn't
involve narcotics.

You just made a blanket statement. You needed to say "FOR YOU" it's
effective. The idea of sticking needles in your body to relieve pain
is just silly from the start.

Also, based on your conspiracy theory that doctors prescribe based on
perks they get from drug reps...I must assume then that you NEVER
utilize the services of a Physician?

What is your reaction to the doctor prescribing a medication for you?
Do you just refuse to fill the prescription or do you get the doctor a
talking to?

It would be interested in how well you doctor talks your 'lesson' to
him about the horrible prescriptions he prescribes.

I bet you're one of those people who think radiation and chemotherapy
is a crazy treatment for cancer.

Famous case is Michael Landon the actor from little house on the
prarie. He gave up on the regular treatments for cancer and seeked out
'natural' cures. Well he died within the same month he started.

You never read of reports where people with STAGE FOUR CANCER being
cured using "natural remedies"...gee wonder why that is?

And I am sure you have studies done by very obscure people at unknown
colleges funded by some of those same "natural remedy" companies.

Like "University of Quall College of Anthraxville Virgina , school of
holistic medicine...Dr. peter fraizer doing a SINGLE blind study"

Be crazy if you want to, I'll stick with REAL drugs with REAL
double-blind studies backing them up.

Have fun.
Susan...
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:32 pm
Guest
x-no-archive: yes

Always Learning wrote:

Quote:
You just made a blanket statement. You needed to say "FOR YOU" it's
effective. The idea of sticking needles in your body to relieve pain
is just silly from the start.

Tell Harvard and other academic hospitals. It's a staple of many pain
management programs. And yes, it worked for me, too.

Quote:

Also, based on your conspiracy theory that doctors prescribe based on
perks they get from drug reps...I must assume then that you NEVER
utilize the services of a Physician?

Sure I do. But I never fill an RX til I've researched it and decided
whether or not it's wise to use it.

Quote:

What is your reaction to the doctor prescribing a medication for you?
Do you just refuse to fill the prescription or do you get the doctor a
talking to?

I discuss my concerns if the doctor has half a brain. Or I take the rx
and do what I mentioned above.

Quote:

It would be interested in how well you doctor talks your 'lesson' to
him about the horrible prescriptions he prescribes.

Him???

Quote:

I bet you're one of those people who think radiation and chemotherapy
is a crazy treatment for cancer.

Sore point, considering how my mother just died.

Quote:

Famous case is Michael Landon the actor from little house on the
prarie. He gave up on the regular treatments for cancer and seeked out
'natural' cures. Well he died within the same month he started.

He had a cancer that regular treatments rarely help, and they make the
little time left even more miserable. Suzanne Somers, OTOH, not the
sharpest pencil in the box, but she declined chemo and took the well
studied supplement inositol hexaphosphate (and probably vitamin D3 for
all we know) and survived her breast cancer.

You ought to do some research. Sometimes there are less toxic options,
sometimes you go full bore and take bigger risks.

Quote:

You never read of reports where people with STAGE FOUR CANCER being
cured using "natural remedies"...gee wonder why that is?

They're frequently cured by chemo and radiation, according to you, at
stage 4?

Quote:

And I am sure you have studies done by very obscure people at unknown
colleges funded by some of those same "natural remedy" companies.

Um, no, just University of Maryland and M.D. Anderson Cancer Center in
Houston, Harvard, and the international peer reviewd literature.

Quote:

Like "University of Quall College of Anthraxville Virgina , school of
holistic medicine...Dr. peter fraizer doing a SINGLE blind study"

I have no idea what you're raving about.

Quote:

Be crazy if you want to, I'll stick with REAL drugs with REAL
double-blind studies backing them up.

Have fun.


Please do, by all means. Your body, your science experiment.

Susan
 
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