On Jun 17, 12:39 pm, Monkey Clumps <spacebrai... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jun 17, 11:10 am, Williamknowsbest <William.M... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
No I only said you haven't shown *me* proof that you did the work you
said you did. That is a very different thing.
How is publishing something in a patent - that is available to the
public generally - not showing you something? You are the public and
have access to it, therefore I have shown it to you. Furthermore, I
have asked you to complete a contact screen on my website to receive
additional information. Obviously you are the one choosing not to
gather relevant information before making conclusions about it.
Clearly you do this because you have your own agenda independent of
the relevant data.
SNIP> Remaining Bullshit
Sure Bill, I'm out to get you.
I didn't say that. I said you were being unfair and biased in your
analysis.
That's the explanation.
I didn't say that - and now you are responding to what you said -
rather than to the facts as I've presented them.
Let me ask
you this, how many people on this newsgroup do you think actually
believe your invention is everything you say it is?
Who gives a shit? When you take the trouble to respond, and your
observations and objections are reasonable, that's valuable to me -
and I often take the trouble to respond - you can respond with other
reasonable concerns objections and so forth - or not.
You have gone off the rails long ago! lol. Why? Who gives a shit?
You have lost interest to me, and utility as well at that point.
From what I can
see that figure is probably close to zero.
You have no basis for that statement.
(If you can point to a
"true believer" to speak on your behalf, please do.)
I have pointed you to my patents and patent applications on this
subject. You have ignored such references. I have also pointed to
news articles that circulated around Asia at the time I signed a $6
billion deal, and received a $600 million payment on a project in
Indonesia. I would say those folks are believers.
You might be
curious why the people in this group aren't true believers.
Not really.
Let me
help you out.
Yeah, I can feel the love.
You have made some extraordinary claims about the
effectiveness, efficiency and low cost of your invention.
That's your opinion - I'm merely reporting the results of my efforts
over the past 18 years.
As the
saying goes, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
That's said of the sorts of proof needed when you're discussing things
like UFOs and Aliens Abductions and Ghosts. Comparing my efforts to
these rumors actually denigrates my efforts. I think you know this.
Setting the standard this high, needlessly dismisses the results of my
efforts from true consideration.
Fact is, I have freaking patents, hundreds of milions of dollars
deposited against projects, and international news coverage, asked to
the White House to talk to OSTP at EOP about my energy plans, attended
UN Conferences on Energy in Bali, spent 5 months speaking with
industry leaders in Australia when Kevin Rudd signed the Kyoto
Protocol...
Obviously, what I have accomplished has a real potential, and clearly,
I am working on important projects and have plainly garnered the
attention of important and powerful folks.
You
have yet to present such proof
I have patents, independent test results from government labs, major
projects worth in the billions of dollars, access to world leaders on
the subject of energy, news stories reporting such..
you find such indicators unconvincing.
(patents don't cut it).
Why?
Its not just
me saying that, its everyone.
If a million people say the wrong thing, does that make it right?
Obviously not. The crux of the matter is, are you right? The answer
is cleearly no.
As I have stated before, I think your ideas are brilliant and
visionary
Thank you.
and *if* they turn out to be real,
and fuck you for that you stupid mother fucking ass.
you will undoubtedly
become a very wealthy man
wealthier you mean. I am following a financial model perfected by
Howard Hughes. I build own and operate facilities that use my
technology, and am paid for that. I also own a percentage of the
output of each facility. I do project financing, and don't sell any
IP or technology. I don't even want anyone to own a panel that isn't
controlled by me. The output - can be owned - the lion's share - can
be owned by investors. Electricity, hydrogen, oil, gasoline,
asphalt, you name it... is sold lock stock and barrel. The equipment
that makes it- is owned 100% by me. Funded project by project.
I'm funding 8 projects overseas right now. When they're all
producing at full capacity they will be worth about $1.6 trilion - and
I own 35% of that - $560 billion.
I am organizing right now to buy up stations that are being spun off
from re-marketers and majors who are looking toward $280 per barrel
oil, and a reduction in fuel flow (but not cash flow) going
forward.
and and the world will be a better place
from your contribution.
The immediate impact with be to bankrupt the oil kingdoms and oil
companies. The degree of inept inattention to our energy crisis by
the Bush Administration will not be known until well into the next
Administration.
Today oil is $140 per barrel - and when Bush took office is was $14
per barrel. This alone isn't a problem. Here's the problem.
Say you live in a house worth $140,000 - and through speculation and
other matters related to real estate in your area - the value of your
house rose over 8 years to $1,400,000 - good deal for you right?
Lets say you owe $100,000 on your house and you have a credit line
against your house for $12,000 - this gets you an 80% debt to equity
ratio. All is cool.
Your house rises in value to $1,400,000 and the bank figures you can
support a debt to equity ratio of 50% - so, they extend an additional
$588,000 on your credit line.
Being a cautious person, you don't use all of that. But, you do use
it. At the end of 8 years you have $110,000 in your credit card
against your house, and $100,000 mortgage still. A 30% debt to
equity ratio.
You're golden.
Now, the market for real estate in your area collapses back to
$140,000 for your house... Now, you are in over your head. The bank
wants you to pay $98,000 back immediately, or face foreclosure...
Okay, now translate this to the oil companies.
They're making cash hand over fist.
But the oil kingdoms and the companies are spending money very fast as
well.
There are about 900 billion barrels in the ground - and at $10 per
barrel that's $90 trilion. Today that's more like $900 trillion with
$100 per barrel in the ground. The entire group - carries about 30%
against this equity- about $270 trillion -
Can you see that if I come along with $8.57 per barrel oil from coal
and water and sunlight - and able to turn America's 285 billion tons
of easily recoverable coal to 2,052 billion barrels of gasoline,
diesel fuel and jet fuel, and displace all residual oil consumption
with hydrogen - that oil will drop back to $10 per barrel eventually -
BANKRUPTING THE OIL SUPPLIERS!
Can someone as strong as the oil companies and as rich as the oil
kingdoms suffer a complete and chronic collapse?
YES
Think of Bear Sterns collapse following the collapse of mortgage
values.
Consider, that in the past, Oil companies and oil kingdoms have
supported their profligate spending with the idea they could DISCOVER
more oil to replace diminishing reserves. They can't do that today
- they cannot discover enough. But, they can continue business as
usual if they can convince banks that limited reserves will escalate
in value - against a rising demand curve. Which is true in the
short term, but not the long term - as soon as the marginal cost of
oil falls below the marginal utility of oil.
The presence of real honest to God low cost alternatives to oil will
bankrupt the oil companies overnight.
I don't have any ill-will towards you,
I never said you did.
but I
don't know you from Jack.
Ditto.
Just because you say you have done this,
With patents, news stories, web sites, detailed photos, reports and so
forth available for the asking..
that or the other thing doesn't provide adequate proof that such
things are true.
For someone who doesn't know me you certainly are spending a helluva
lot of time and effort to come to this bogus conclusion for which you
have no solid basis to make.
That's reality
The reality is you're spending an inordinate amount of time in an
attempt to apply a negative bias to my statements while pretending to
be fair and balanced.
and it goes for anyone.
Your profile shows you are spending more time dissing me than anything
else you're doing - so, your presumed balanced approach is a lie.
Its nothing
personal.
Never said it was.
Really. Maybe everything you say is true.
Fuck you.
I just don't
know.
Well, you have yet to fill out a contact screen to get more
information - why is that? Despite the availability of evidence, and
your lack of effort to obtain that evidence, you go out of your way to
construct bogus arguments in an effort to bias folks against what I
say - even going to far as to imply that I'm a liar.
Maybe you will decide to post some convincing evidence.
I build own and operate my equipment. I don't sell a damn thing to
anyone - as far as IP goes. My patents afford some protection -
they're available for review. Despite your jaded views of the patent
process, they contain a wealth of information - and independent
confirmation of my claims from government labs. So, that's a place
to start. Then, if you want more detail, read the Asian press about
my projects. Then, if you want more detail from the horse's mouth,
fill out the contact screen, and I'll send you more information
still.
Despite the availability of this high quality information, you imply
above that the evidence available is unconvincing to a fair and
balanced observer. This obviously biases anyone reading this against
my statements - in an unfair and unbalanced way.
Do the work, then make your conclusions. You haven't done the work,
yet you launched on this campaign to paint me in the most negative
terms. What's motivating you in this particular arc of effort?
Here's
hoping. I want to become a true believer.
No you don't. If you did you'd fill out a contact screen to get more
info, you'd trouble yourself to read my patents and news articles out
there,
So Mr. Mook, I will let you get on with your work.
Thanks, I feel the love.
I don't think you
are crazy,
haha... that's a disinformation technique. You know that right?
Loudly proclaiming someone as NOT being something paints them as that
thing. Nixon said he wasn't a crook, and immediately everyone thought
he was. Same here.
but if this past discussion is any indication,
This discussion is completely and entirely in respnose to your biased
and unflattering analysis of what I've said. I mean, you quite
honestly thought 55% efficiency was impossible and said so. I then
gave you a high quality paper done by Stanford University and General
Atomics that shows 60% is routine these days for hydrogen production -
and described how my high temp electrolysis system worked to achieve
55%. Did you apologize for your earlier statements and thank me for
the reference? No. You IGNORED supporting information and then
launched another hateful series of statements that implied that if I
didn't have evidence that I did what I said I did, then I shouldn't be
believed - and attempted to paint that as reasonable - while
unreasonably forgetting totally your earlier efforts to dis me. In
response to that I pointed to my patents, news articles, and web site,
and instructed you to fill out the contact information to get the very
data you seek. What did you do? You IGNORED THAT - and morphed your
'arguments' into unreasonable attacks of me - at that point - I said
fuck you - and you noted that - and built another series of attacks
around that.
Obviously your approach to the subject of my achievements are strongly
biased toward prejudging against their reality.
Why is that? Do you work for an oil company? Do you own a lot of
oil company stock?
I had an oil company exec tell me that my oil was too cheap - that's
why no one wanted the banks that deal with the major oil companies and
kingdoms - to believe my process worked. This at a hydrogen
conference in Dallas a few years ago. What can you do against such
ignorance?
perhaps
slightly unbalanced.
See? You cannot say anytying positive - without following it up with
some baseless hateful thing. Again, this is a well-established
disinformation technique. The pattern of behavior you exhibit, and
the sophisticated techniques you employ are interesting - and I merely
point them out to anyone reading this, and who don't wish to be
troubled to review the entire exchange.
Don't worry, its a small price to pay for
genius.
Obviously it is far more likely that your analysis here is the only
unbalanced thing here.
I look forward to seeing you on cover of Newsweek under the
headline "World's Energy Problems Solved." I'm not kidding.
Godspeed.
Actually, Accenture and I put together a power point for BP in
London. We had a series of mocked up magazine covers showing Lord
Brown on the covers saying the same thing - he liked them. I'll give
you a copy of that power point (or at least a non critical portion of
it) if you'd like to fill out a contact screen on my website
http://www.usoal.com
