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Major Debacle...
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 8:19 pm
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A new type of solar energy collector concentrates the sun into a beam
that could melt steel. Researchers say the device could revolutionize
global energy production.

The prototype is a 12-foot-wide mirrored dish was made from a
lightweight frame of thin, inexpensive aluminum tubing and strips of
mirror. It concentrates sunlight by a factor of 1,000 to produce steam.

"This is actually the most efficient solar collector in existence," said
Doug Wood, an inventor based in Washington state who patented key parts
of the dish's design — the rights to which he has signed over to a team
of students at MIT.

http://www.livescience.com/environment/080619-solar-power.html

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justup
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 8:27 pm
Joined: 12 Jan 2005 Posts: 489
Major Debacle wrote:
Quote:
A new type of solar energy collector concentrates the sun into a beam
that could melt steel. Researchers say the device could revolutionize
global energy production.

The prototype is a 12-foot-wide mirrored dish was made from a
lightweight frame of thin, inexpensive aluminum tubing and strips of
mirror. It concentrates sunlight by a factor of 1,000 to produce steam.

"This is actually the most efficient solar collector in existence," said
Doug Wood, an inventor based in Washington state who patented key parts
of the dish's design — the rights to which he has signed over to a team
of students at MIT.

http://www.livescience.com/environment/080619-solar-power.html

I don't follow at all what is novel about this. Parabolic mirrors are
old news which is what this simulates.

I'd hardly call the construction revolutionary either.

Nothing to see here, move on.
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What Me Worry?...
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:54 pm
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"Peter Franks" <none at (no spam) none.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
Major Debacle wrote:
A new type of solar energy collector concentrates the sun into a beam
that could melt steel. Researchers say the device could revolutionize
global energy production.

The prototype is a 12-foot-wide mirrored dish was made from a lightweight
frame of thin, inexpensive aluminum tubing and strips of mirror. It
concentrates sunlight by a factor of 1,000 to produce steam.

"This is actually the most efficient solar collector in existence," said
Doug Wood, an inventor based in Washington state who patented key parts
of the dish's design — the rights to which he has signed over to a team
of students at MIT.

http://www.livescience.com/environment/080619-solar-power.html

I don't follow at all what is novel about this. Parabolic mirrors are old
news which is what this simulates.

I'd hardly call the construction revolutionary either.

Nothing to see here, move on.

Most efficient may simply mean "as efficient as the most efficient designs."
It's marketing-speak.
justup
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:22 pm
Joined: 12 Jan 2005 Posts: 489
Whata Fool wrote:
Quote:
Peter Franks <none at (no spam) none.com> wrote:

anonymous wrote:

Check it out on Google Patents:
http://www.google.com/patents?id=FJyNAAAAEBAJ&dq=ininventor:%22doug+wood%22&as_drrb_ap=q&as_minm_ap=1&as_miny_ap=2008&as_maxm_ap=1&as_maxy_ap=2008&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=1&as_miny_is=2008&as_maxm_is=1&as_maxy_is=2008

Application number: 9/834,266
Publication number: US 2001/0036024 A1
Filing date: Apr 12, 2001
Inventor: Doug Wood
Issued patent: 6485152 (Issue date Nov 26, 2002)
Right -- what is novel about that?

If a patent issued, it is novel.

Not at all.

If a patent is issued it is issued, that's it.

There are LOTS of cases of non-novel patents being issued -- happens all
the time, big deal.

Quote:
Honestly, there is nothing to see here -- nothing new at all. "Solar
Dish Could Revolutionize Energy Production" is a true, but not because
of this patent.


It is the possible low cost per square foot that might make
a difference, but I doubt it. It would obviously need to be housed
in a glass front enclosure as it obviously would not withstand wind
or hail.

To bad he gave it to a college instead of a private company
eager to invest in real solar production.

Actually, just reading this and thinking about solar has led
me to reconsider the production of hydrogen as a viable method of
storage of energy.


http://www.princeton.edu/~energy/publications/pdf/1991/Ogden_91%20Cost_PV_Electrolytic_Hydrogen.pdf

Solar energy collection is a great idea.

However, this guy's "Solar Dish" isn't going to revolutionize squat.
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Whata Fool...
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:10 pm
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Peter Franks <none at (no spam) none.com> wrote:

Quote:
Whata Fool wrote:
Peter Franks <none at (no spam) none.com> wrote:

anonymous wrote:

Check it out on Google Patents:
http://www.google.com/patents?id=FJyNAAAAEBAJ&dq=ininventor:%22doug+wood%22&as_drrb_ap=q&as_minm_ap=1&as_miny_ap=2008&as_maxm_ap=1&as_maxy_ap=2008&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=1&as_miny_is=2008&as_maxm_is=1&as_maxy_is=2008

Application number: 9/834,266
Publication number: US 2001/0036024 A1
Filing date: Apr 12, 2001
Inventor: Doug Wood
Issued patent: 6485152 (Issue date Nov 26, 2002)
Right -- what is novel about that?

If a patent issued, it is novel.

Not at all.

If a patent is issued it is issued, that's it.

The examination is for new and novel, plus defining the claims.

How many patents do you have?

Quote:
There are LOTS of cases of non-novel patents being issued -- happens all
the time, big deal.

Patents are issued on claims.

Quote:
Honestly, there is nothing to see here -- nothing new at all. "Solar
Dish Could Revolutionize Energy Production" is a true, but not because
of this patent.


It is the possible low cost per square foot that might make
a difference, but I doubt it. It would obviously need to be housed
in a glass front enclosure as it obviously would not withstand wind
or hail.

To bad he gave it to a college instead of a private company
eager to invest in real solar production.

Actually, just reading this and thinking about solar has led
me to reconsider the production of hydrogen as a viable method of
storage of energy.


http://www.princeton.edu/~energy/publications/pdf/1991/Ogden_91%20Cost_PV_Electrolytic_Hydrogen.pdf

Solar energy collection is a great idea.

However, this guy's "Solar Dish" isn't going to revolutionize squat.

Possibly not, but if mass production is easy and the price low
enough, that thing could produce about 3 HP, enough to power a house
while the sun shines.

But if architects and builders are not utilizing the most basic
passive solar or ordinary thermal solar in new houses, why would
that concentrating collector make a difference?
Whata Fool...
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 9:58 pm
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Peter Franks <none at (no spam) none.com> wrote:

Quote:
Whata Fool wrote:
Peter Franks <none at (no spam) none.com> wrote:

Whata Fool wrote:
Peter Franks <none at (no spam) none.com> wrote:

anonymous wrote:
Check it out on Google Patents:
http://www.google.com/patents?id=FJyNAAAAEBAJ&dq=ininventor:%22doug+wood%22&as_drrb_ap=q&as_minm_ap=1&as_miny_ap=2008&as_maxm_ap=1&as_maxy_ap=2008&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=1&as_miny_is=2008&as_maxm_is=1&as_maxy_is=2008

Application number: 9/834,266
Publication number: US 2001/0036024 A1
Filing date: Apr 12, 2001
Inventor: Doug Wood
Issued patent: 6485152 (Issue date Nov 26, 2002)
Right -- what is novel about that?
If a patent issued, it is novel.
Not at all.

If a patent is issued it is issued, that's it.

The examination is for new and novel, plus defining the claims.

How many patents do you have?

There are LOTS of cases of non-novel patents being issued -- happens all
the time, big deal.

Patents are issued on claims.

A claim of novelty. It may or may not be novel in reality.

A "patent claim" is supposed to be a precise description of the
physical embodiment of the invention. If you are saying that two
patents could issue for identical chemical formulae, maybe, but there
should/will be a data base to check that.

Quote:
Honestly, there is nothing to see here -- nothing new at all. "Solar
Dish Could Revolutionize Energy Production" is a true, but not because
of this patent.

It is the possible low cost per square foot that might make
a difference, but I doubt it. It would obviously need to be housed
in a glass front enclosure as it obviously would not withstand wind
or hail.

To bad he gave it to a college instead of a private company
eager to invest in real solar production.

Actually, just reading this and thinking about solar has led
me to reconsider the production of hydrogen as a viable method of
storage of energy.


http://www.princeton.edu/~energy/publications/pdf/1991/Ogden_91%20Cost_PV_Electrolytic_Hydrogen.pdf
Solar energy collection is a great idea.

However, this guy's "Solar Dish" isn't going to revolutionize squat.

Possibly not, but if mass production is easy and the price low
enough, that thing could produce about 3 HP, enough to power a house
while the sun shines.

But if architects and builders are not utilizing the most basic
passive solar or ordinary thermal solar in new houses, why would
that concentrating collector make a difference?

Sure. But I'm challenging this article's claim that this particular
solar dish is revolutionary. It isn't.

Thanks for the dialog. Have a nice, reflective, day.

it is possibly, in it's light weight, but frankly, that may
be it's weakness.

I have a parabola drafting instrument, and can draw parabolas
within 0.01 percent accuracy, but would I use that to construct a dish
like that?
And I prefer ordinary "float glass" window glass second surface
mirrors for solar energy concentrating reflectors, that is what I have
always used, and will continue to use.

Most journalists today have no idea of how much work was done
in solar energy during the 1970s, and concentrating collectors and
thermal electric have been grossly ignored in favor of the much more
expensive photovoltaics.

Any dish or trough that can smoke wood like that will produce
steam, and steam will produce power, and efficiency is hardly a factor
at all, yet next to nothing has been done in the last 20 years.
A lot of peak power is needed just before noon and late in the
evening, and solar steam plants across the sun belt could help a great deal.
 
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