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Anne V....
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 4:01 pm
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Maybe that's what it is. I'll have to look at her more closely. At least
plastic surgery would be less creepy than wondering if she's a droid! <G>

Anne
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I agree. Reminds me of Bruce Jenner's look. E-gad that's so scary. Makes
one think twice about a face lift. It looks like saran wrap is pulled
against his face. ick. I'd like a few normal lines - adds character.

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I think it may have something to do with plastic surgery. Just my opinion,
no facts.

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Speaking of weird-looking, does Cindy McCain give anybody else the
creeps? I don't know exactly what it is, but she doesn't look like a
real person to me, like there may be robot parts under her skin instead
of bones and muscle. Remember the crew member that turned out to be a
robot in the first Alien movie? Like that. I know it's not fair, and
she may very well be a perfectly nice person, but there's just something
about her that gives me the willies.

Anne

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Yeah, Ed. You may be right. I have SUFFERED with this since Hillary
conceded, because I was totally blind-sided by that. The odd thing is,
that the people on another group where I hang out are all up in the air
about the "Hussein" part of his name - that doesn't bother me at all.
His being black doesn't bother me (even though I think he is VERY
weird-looking).

On the racing forum, the chatter is all about "I will not vote for
anybody named Obama. Somebody named Osama killed all those people!" --
I
kid you not. More than one person has said this. They also say they
will
not vote for anybody named "Hussein" either.

I'm not that bad. I know I'm an Arky, and I know I'm a redneck, but
this is NOT how I feel. LOL.

"Maybe it's as simple as his name, Becky."


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Mary R...
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 4:16 pm
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Anne V. Wrote:
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Maybe that's what it is. I'll have to look at her more closely. At
least plastic surgery would be less creepy than wondering if she's a
droid! <G
Yes plastic surgery might be part of it but also that hair! There's

something about her whole demeanor just is wierd. I've never seen her
give a speech as I have Michelle Obama, who it appears is just coming
into her skin at the moment as far as dress/speech goes.

Mary Rose


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Anne V....
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 4:38 pm
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I hope they don't continue to try to have Michelle Obama dress in ways
reminiscent of Jackie Kennedy. She's a beautiful woman in her own right and
doesn't need to emulate anyone.

Anne

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Yes plastic surgery might be part of it but also that hair! There's
something about her whole demeanor just is wierd. I've never seen her
give a speech as I have Michelle Obama, who it appears is just coming
into her skin at the moment as far as dress/speech goes.

Mary Rose


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Phyllis Nilsson...
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 12:21 pm
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Since their employer is the U.S. government, the U.S. government is telling
them how they can pray, which Rae said was not true.

Chaplains are members of the military, but must maintain their endorsement
by their denomination or be discharged.

The appropriate chaplain ministers to those in need because the military
puts the person's religion on their dog tags.

To my knowledge, they are the only members of the military who the
government tells how to pray.




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Phyllis Nilsson wrote:
Yes, they do tell them what they can preach. When Christian chaplains
are told not to pray, "in Jesus' name" that is telling them how to
preach.

That is only when they are the servant of their employer, not when they
are heading their own congregation.
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Barbara Carlson...
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 12:30 pm
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Which in view of the many beliefs of those they serve--and I am sure the
chaplain cannot personally check each dog tag of those he may serve--it is
quite appropriate that they be given guidelines and additional training in
how best to serve groups and individuals as a whole. I believe chaplains of
other faiths are trained in giving last rites when requested to do so, and
other forms of worship when required. Why would religion be on the dog tags
if a person did not want someone who understood his faith to know that
information? My first reaction was that it was inappropriate to have
religion on the dog tags, but if a person has strong beliefs and agrees to
have it there, I would have no objection. But the fact that the service
allows it to be there indicates they respect the differences and expect the
chaplains to do so as well.

Barb C.
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Since their employer is the U.S. government, the U.S. government is
telling them how they can pray, which Rae said was not true.

Chaplains are members of the military, but must maintain their endorsement
by their denomination or be discharged.

The appropriate chaplain ministers to those in need because the military
puts the person's religion on their dog tags.

To my knowledge, they are the only members of the military who the
government tells how to pray.




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Phyllis Nilsson wrote:
Yes, they do tell them what they can preach. When Christian chaplains
are told not to pray, "in Jesus' name" that is telling them how to
preach.

That is only when they are the servant of their employer, not when they
are heading their own congregation.

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RaeMorrill...
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 3:21 pm
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Of course we were talking about churches being told what to preach, not
the US Military (i.e., governmental agency) If a pastor feels that
strongly that they should pray their way despite fact the person to whom
they are ministering does not believe in it, perhaps they should get
another job. I don't know what the military rules are, but there are
certainly Jewish and Muslim chaplains, as well as Christian. I would
imagine they are also under similar constraints vis a vis prayer. As a
Christian, you would be offended if a Muslim chaplain prayed citing
Mohammad I would imagine.

I think Father Mulchahey (?sp) on M*A*S*H is a good example of a pastor
being willing to perform services in a more general nondenominational
manner, instead of, in this case, saying a Mass. What you forget, as
always, Phyllis, is that your beliefs are not the only ones. I rather
doubt if you were the soldier you'd want to hear Hail Mary or the
Catholic version of the Our Father or be asked to give a confession to a
priest. It's no different.

If a guy goes into the military as a chaplain, he has agreed to follow
their rules. If a guy who is a Methodist applies for a job as pastor of
a Baptist church, you don't think he'd be able to teach any Methodist
doctrine from the pulpit, do you?


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Samantha Hill - remove TRASH to reply...
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 4:00 pm
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Phyllis Nilsson wrote:
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Since their employer is the U.S. government, the U.S. government is telling
them how they can pray, which Rae said was not true.

They are not telling them how to pray when they are alone. They are
telling them how they must act as a servant of the US Government. And
Phyllis, you are old enough to understand that the military is not a
typical job and that you have to totally give up yourself to be
Government Issue, right? The same thing applies to the officer corps.

There was a guy from my church who went into the Chaplain Corps through
a fundamentalist group that was used by those in independent fundamental
churches not associated with a denomination, and he was told by those in
the know that he did not have to compromise his convictions as a
chaplain in the sense that they would not force him to do anything his
conscience prohibited, but that there were some things that he might not
be allowed to do in his official capacity as a Navy chaplain.
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Samantha Hill - remove TRASH to reply...
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 4:02 pm
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Barbara Carlson wrote:
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how best to serve groups and individuals as a whole. I believe chaplains of
other faiths are trained in giving last rites when requested to do so, and
other forms of worship when required. Why would religion be on the dog tags


And there are denominations -- I know the Roman Catholic Church, for one
-- who deputizes lay people to be pinch-hitters for clergy in such
circumstances. When the ship my husband was on did not have a priest
for Mass, there were Lay Eucharistic Ministers who were given a
dispensation to be able to conduct mass until the chaplain (who was an
old-school Episcopalian but stated that he threw a lot of Episcopal
church stuff out the window when he joined the Navy) found a local
priest who would come and serve Mass weekly. There were also lay
leaders for the Jewish congregation, and the chaplain had to intercede
for them as well.
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