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| Bob Eld... |
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"Spaceman" <spaceman at (no spam) yourclockmalfunctioned.duh> wrote in message
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Quote: If believing that a 1hp engine charging batteries can later
have the batteries make electric motors produce more than 1hp.
than yes.
I must be a knitwit too and not just stupid.
LOL
But of course, I would rather be that, than braindead and anti-american
like you.
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James M Driscoll Jr
Spaceman
Of course a small engine running for a long time can generate the same
energy as a large engine running for a short time. What matters is the
efficiency. Small engines are ALWAYS less efficient than larger ones.
Therefore the small engine would burn more gas or electricity over its time
than the large one would producing he same total energy in its time. |
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| Spaceman... |
| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:24 pm |
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Bob Eld wrote:
Quote: "Spaceman" <spaceman at (no spam) yourclockmalfunctioned.duh> wrote in message
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If believing that a 1hp engine charging batteries can later
have the batteries make electric motors produce more than 1hp.
than yes.
I must be a knitwit too and not just stupid.
LOL
But of course, I would rather be that, than braindead and
anti-american like you.
:)
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James M Driscoll Jr
Spaceman
Of course a small engine running for a long time can generate the same
energy as a large engine running for a short time. What matters is the
efficiency. Small engines are ALWAYS less efficient than larger ones.
Therefore the small engine would burn more gas or electricity over
its time than the large one would producing he same total energy in
its time.
I know that but thanks for saying it anyway.
That is why Trains etc.. have large engines and not bunches
of little r/c size engines.
And why Big Jets don't use a bunch of tiny battery powered fans
instead also.
I think eeyore should get a car that runs on gerbil power
since he is so concerned with saving energy.
oh wait..
He would probably kill it..
Nevermind.
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| Bob Eld... |
| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:48 am |
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"Spaceman" <spaceman at (no spam) yourclockmalfunctioned.duh> wrote in message
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Quote: Bob Eld wrote:
"Spaceman" <spaceman at (no spam) yourclockmalfunctioned.duh> wrote in message
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If believing that a 1hp engine charging batteries can later
have the batteries make electric motors produce more than 1hp.
than yes.
I must be a knitwit too and not just stupid.
LOL
But of course, I would rather be that, than braindead and
anti-american like you.
:)
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James M Driscoll Jr
Spaceman
Of course a small engine running for a long time can generate the same
energy as a large engine running for a short time. What matters is the
efficiency. Small engines are ALWAYS less efficient than larger ones.
Therefore the small engine would burn more gas or electricity over
its time than the large one would producing he same total energy in
its time.
I know that but thanks for saying it anyway.
That is why Trains etc.. have large engines and not bunches
of little r/c size engines.
And why Big Jets don't use a bunch of tiny battery powered fans
instead also.
I think eeyore should get a car that runs on gerbil power
since he is so concerned with saving energy.
oh wait..
He would probably kill it..
Nevermind.
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James M Driscoll Jr
Spaceman
Maybe hedgehogs running in a squirrel wheel would work for him. He seems to
hate anything with power. But, he has a point, gas in England is twice what
we pay. Their government basically doubles what the Arabs charge. |
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| Spaceman... |
| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:03 am |
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Bob Eld wrote:
Quote: Maybe hedgehogs running in a squirrel wheel would work for him. He
seems to hate anything with power. But, he has a point, gas in
England is twice what we pay. Their government basically doubles what
the Arabs charge.
And he calls the US stupid?
:)
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:50 pm |
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On Jun 19, 11:03 am, "Spaceman" <space... at (no spam) yourclockmalfunctioned.duh>
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Quote: Bob Eld wrote:
Maybe hedgehogs running in a squirrel wheel would work for him. He
seems to hate anything with power. But, he has a point, gas in
England is twice what we pay. Their government basically doubles what
the Arabs charge.
And he calls the US stupid?
:)
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James M Driscoll Jr
Spaceman
ROFL, James enjoy the humerous posts made by these clowns. A couple
of hours ago I posted as simple article posted on how the cost of gas
today relates to real economics, and I hope that you will read and
comment on it.
What is obvious to me is that many of the current posters must be
about the average age of 18 and uneducated beyone 4th grade (sorry, I
don't mean to rain on anyones's parade.) I suspect that Jim can
verify this happens, so before any reader decides to mix a nitro fuel
into their gas misture, be very sure of you understand the potential
consequence.
Still, hydrogen powered cars are a bit silly, unless of course you
know of a gas station that supplied hydrogen. I don't.
Alcohol has been added to our engine fuels for the past 10 years, and
in at least MA the pump displays the amont of fuel contamination that
the purchased fuel includes, which sort of disupts its octane value.
Alcohol is also is hydrocopic (attracts water) , which induces rusting
out of the your fuel tank, usually along the soldered or welded seams.
I've had to replace 3 fuel tanks in various cars over the past 10
years. On the positive side, you can purchase new fuel tanks on eBay
for little money, but the work entailed in replacing them is a bitch.
I don't know it thise is still true, but 20 years ago model airplane
fuels were promoted and priced on their 'nitro' content, which has the
rather interesitng effect that if you let the fuel misture in your
little engine run lean, the 'nitro' would burn a hole in the piston!
No, I am not kidding.
So if you want an alternative engery fuel car, it is at best hope for
20 years in the future by most counts.
You can drive a gas/electric hybrid today, and save on a small bit of
fuel in the short run. Still wait for the maintenace and repair bills
to arrive, and your fuel savings go down the drain, plus 50% more.
Just as a suggestion that most readers will ignore, I daily drive a
1986 Cadillac Cimarron. It's an old classic, which Cadillac
enthursiates wanted no part of. Still, the old Cimarron transports me
the majority of the days when to Ford Bronco is too costly to operate
simply to get from one place to another. After driving the Cimarron
for 210 miles, a fillup cost $29.00, and that was after 2 weeks of
city driving in Boston and the suberbs.
Not exacly the mileage you would expect from a new hydrid, but
considering that I only spent around $70uring the past year in
maintainence, its a damn bit cheaper than car payments, plus fuel
cost. Oh, by the way, the Cimarron is also air conditioned, and damn
near everything on it is electrically operated, plus it has a leather
interior. Realize, this is why most of us old farts drive classic cars
on which we do most of the repair work ourselves. Trust me, these
older classics are not generally chick magnets, but neither are most
of us older guys that drive them.
Oddly, the 1996 Bronco in Lime Green, was a chick magnet, but this is
an exeption. :-)
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| Bob Eld... |
| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:13 pm |
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On Jun 19, 11:03 am, "Spaceman" <space... at (no spam) yourclockmalfunctioned.duh>
wrote:
Quote: Bob Eld wrote:
Maybe hedgehogs running in a squirrel wheel would work for him. He
seems to hate anything with power. But, he has a point, gas in
England is twice what we pay. Their government basically doubles what
the Arabs charge.
And he calls the US stupid?
:)
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James M Driscoll Jr
Spaceman
Cut....
ROFL, James enjoy the humerous posts made by these clowns. A couple
of hours ago I posted as simple article posted on how the cost of gas
today relates to real economics, and I hope that you will read and
comment on it.
Harry C.
snip......
I read it. Some good point but much of it sounded like the McCain manefesto.
The part I question most is the part about controlling American sources for
American consumers. It sounded like some kind of socialist nationalization
plan like I might expect from Chavez or Castro. That part sure as hell
didn'd sound very Republican or free market oriented.
The problem with your idea is that to implement the various parts of it
would take an absolute dictator to set policy and make it happen. The US
doesn't work that way, never has.
As Bush said, "It would be lot easier if this were a dictatorship as long as
I am the dictator." |
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| Eeyore... |
| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:30 am |
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Spaceman wrote:
Quote: Eeyore wrote:
Spaceman wrote:
Bob Eld wrote:
Maybe hedgehogs running in a squirrel wheel would work for him. He
seems to hate anything with power. But, he has a point, gas in
England is twice what we pay. Their government basically doubles
what the Arabs charge.
And he calls the US stupid?
High taxation on gasoline encourages efficient use.
Thoughts of running out encourages better technology.
Too late. Europe's at least a decade ahead of the US in energy efficiency
tech. Largely because there's a damn financial incentive !
Quote: running out completely, usually creates the better tech even faster.
No. FAR too late, your economy's gone already.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:32 am |
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Eeyore wrote:
Quote: Too late. Europe's at least a decade ahead of the US in energy
efficiency tech. Largely because there's a damn financial incentive !
ROFLOL!
If that were actually true, your gas prices would be "cheaper",
just to make you want to buy it again.
You are lost Eeyore!
LOL
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| Bob Eld... |
| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 1:09 pm |
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"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote in message
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High taxation on gasoline encourages efficient use.
Graham
That is true. But, Europeans pay carry a high burden for this concept. It's
even worse when you consider that some countries like China, Mexico and a
number of others subsidize fuels for their citizens. The price of gas in
Mexico is about $2.50 a gallon, $.66 per liter a fact that has some
Americans scrambling across the border to fill up.
Consider that you in Europe carry that burden while others, especially
China, are paid to raise consumption, to increase shortages and, in effect,
keep prices high.
It's good that you are altruistic, but I believe, foolish. Why should you
carry the burden while others party on? By contrast the US takes a middle
position. We have taxes but they are modest by comparison and are designed
for road maintenance and the like but not social engineering.
For all of your good intentions you are the suckers. Your position has NOT
increased the amount of fuel available nor has it developed a significant
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| Eeyore... |
| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:55 pm |
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Spaceman wrote:
Quote: Eeyore wrote:
Too late. Europe's at least a decade ahead of the US in energy
efficiency tech. Largely because there's a damn financial incentive !
ROFLOL!
If that were actually true, your gas prices would be "cheaper",
NO, you missed the point ENTIRELY, but for as 12 year old I guess that's
only to be expected.
Graham |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:19 pm |
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Eeyore wrote:
Quote: Spaceman wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Too late. Europe's at least a decade ahead of the US in energy
efficiency tech. Largely because there's a damn financial incentive
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ROFLOL!
If that were actually true, your gas prices would be "cheaper",
NO, you missed the point ENTIRELY, but for as 12 year old I guess
that's only to be expected.
12 huh?
That must be why I must have about 10 yrs on you already.
But at 2yrs old like you, nobody expects too much from you,
especially if you are a just little angry anti-american.
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| Eeyore... |
| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:26 pm |
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Bob Eld wrote:
Quote: "Eeyore" wrote
High taxation on gasoline encourages efficient use.
That is true. But, Europeans pay carry a high burden for this concept.
Only if you expect ultra (unreasltically) -cheap energy.
Gasoline costs for example (inflation corrected have barely moved in 8 years)
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/05/22/you_think_fuel_prices_are_bad_historically_theyre_not_and_weve_graphed_it.ht
Quote: It's good that you are altruistic, but I believe, foolish. Why should you
carry the burden while others party on?
What burden ? It makes us more efficient !
Quote: By contrast the US takes a middle
position. We have taxes but they are modest by comparison and are designed
for road maintenance and the like but not social engineering.
And therefore fail to do any use.
Quote: For all of your good intentions you are the suckers. Your position has NOT
increased the amount of fuel available nor has it developed a significant
alternative industry.
No, of course it hasn't increased the amount of fuel available, What a silly
idea ! There's a limit to how much of it there is. What it HAS done is to make
the same fuel go so much further.
Graham
I'm perprelexed you can't see the obvious advantage. |
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| Eeyore... |
| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:32 pm |
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Spaceman wrote:
Quote: especially if you are a just little angry anti-american.
Whilst Americand piss energy down the toilet, yes I WIL be anti-American.
In fact if I was the UK Prime Minister, I'd have ALL US bases removed from
UK soil including Diego Garcia. After such a move, I doubt ANY country
would want US bases either.
Good Riddance to you.
Graham |
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| Spaceman... |
| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:07 pm |
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Eeyore wrote:
Quote: In fact if I was the UK Prime Minister, I'd have ALL US bases removed
from UK soil including Diego Garcia. After such a move, I doubt ANY
country would want US bases either.
Good Riddance to you.
LOL
You think UK is the reason other countries keep bases there?
That is the most arrogant thought I have ever seen come from
anyone non american.
You would be the most stupid Prime Minister ever then.
and... you would probably not have a country for long.
You truly are a historic moron!
:)
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| Eeyore... |
| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 2:11 pm |
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Spaceman wrote:
Quote: Eeyore wrote:
Spaceman wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
In fact if I was the UK Prime Minister, I'd have ALL US bases
removed from UK soil including Diego Garcia. After such a move, I
doubt ANY country would want US bases either.
Good Riddance to you.
LOL
You think UK is the reason other countries keep bases there?
Other countires ?
Which other countries would those be you ignorant twat ?
Oops, you are not supposed to know the US has bases in other countries
That wasn't your claim. You said other countries had bases in the UK. Your
inability to use the English language properly is however of no surprise
to me.
Graham |
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