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Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 12:20 pm
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Looking Back, Looking Around, Looking Ahead!

Looking Back

The month of May each year is the month that I look back to the
Brown versus Board of Education decision that was passed in May of
1954. I was twelve years old and anxiously looking forward to turning
thirteen that September. The decision meant nothing to me at first
because I lived in Philadelphia. Living in Philadelphia meant that I
had attended an integrated elementary school, was attending an
integrated junior high school and would be attending an integrated
high school.

Because my grandparents lived in Virginia, however, I understood
clearly the segregation problem in the South. The Supreme Court
decision about the desegregation of public schools, however, made no
day-to-day difference in my twelve-year-old world in Philadelphia. I
did not understand, therefore, what was really at stake, what was
being won and what was being lost in that momentous decision made by
the Supreme Court in May of 1954.

Looking back, however, I have come to learn some very painful
lessons about that momentous decision. The first lesson I learned was
that desegregation is not the same as integration.

Desegregation meant that African American children could no longer
be denied the right to go to schools that were “For Whites Only.”
Desegregation did not mean that white children would now come to Black
schools and learn our story, our history, our heritage, our legacy,
our beauty and our strength!

As a matter of fact, across the years that I have been teaching
graduate school (since 1975), I have tried to get my students to
understand that one of the tragedies about the whole “integration era”
was that African Americans did not understand what integration meant.
Integration means the coming together of equals to the table.

Whites, in a culture of white supremacy, however, did not view us
as equals and still do not view us as equals; so nothing from our
Black or African experience was ever allowed at the table of
“integration,” much less invited or asked to be brought to the table.

Looking back, I saw very early on that many African Americans
meant assimilation and acculturation when they used the word
“integration.” To integrate, however, does not mean to assimilate or
to acculturate!

Looking back, moreover, I learned the difference between
desegregation which was a legal issue (a political issue) and equality
which is a spiritual and moral issue. Desegregation had to do with
legal access. Giving African American citizens access to quality
education, to healthcare, to public facilities, to equal protection
under the law was one thing.

That access, incidentally, is still being blocked. It is being
blocked very sophisticatedly, both in the South and in the North (up
South!), with attacks upon affirmative action, with the “conservative”
agenda and with policies put in place by the Republican Party, which
is the Party for the “have mores.”

Having legal access to schools and public accommodations, however,
does not touch the deeper moral “American” problem, which is white
supremacy! I owe much of my insights on this issue to Lewis Baldwin.

Dr. Lewis Baldwin, a professor of African American studies at
Vanderbilt University, points out a very important truth in his
analysis of George Fredrickson’s monumental work in comparative
history. Fredrickson compares the Apartheid in South Africa with the
segregation here in the United States of America. Fredrickson’s years
of teaching at Northwestern produced two very important works that
deal with the comparisons between the Apartheid of South Africa and
the “Jim Crow” in America.

What Dr. Baldwin (a student of Fredrickson’s) does is point out
the importance of Fredrickson’s insights. Dr. Fredrickson helps us to
see that the real nature of the beast has to do with white supremacy.
Baldwin prefers the term white supremacy over “racism” because it is
far more accurate in describing what took place in South Africa and
what still takes place in South Africa. It is also a term which puts
its finger on the pulse of the reality of American thought and
American practice!

“Racism,” in Baldwin’s opinion, is too nebulous a term. It is
slippery and has many different meanings for many different people. I
have even heard misguided (and ignorant) pundits like Rush Limbaugh
and Tom DeLay calling Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney and other Black
people racists. I have heard the term “Black racism” and I have also
heard the term “reverse racism.”

[Sic] ideology, the theology, the sociology, the legal structure,
the educational system, the healthcare system, and the entire reality
of the United States of America and South Africa!

Twelve years after Nelson Mandela is out of prison and Black South
Africans control the legal structure in that country; yet, white
supremacy is still in charge. It is “living large and in charge!”

Black Africans do not control the economic systems, the military
or have control over the resources (the diamonds, the oil and the
natural resources that were stolen by the whites who took over South
Africa), and until that changes, white supremacy will still be in
charge!

White supremacy is not a legal problem. It is a spiritual problem,
a psychological problem and a moral problem.

White supremacy controls the economic system in America, the
healthcare system in America and the educational system in America.
Hurricane Katrina has pulled the blinders off of all Americans and
shown us what white supremacy means at its ugly core and what it has
done to the fabric of these “still-yet-to-be-United States” (to use
Maya Angelou’s term). That is what I see when looking back during the
month of May.

Looking Around

Educating our children to the reality of white supremacy becomes
crucial for African Americans and for all Americans. Educating our
children is a term that I use pointedly. I do not mean “training” our
children. That is a part of our problem now.

The misuse of that term ignores the fact that Africans do not
control the military, the police, the legal structure or any of the
means to enforce their race prejudice. To try to get misinformed
whites and blacks to understand that fact is a waste of time.

You end up trying to make a blind man see something that he is
physically and biologically unable to do. The use of the term
“racism,” therefore, makes one enter into an exercise in futility and
causes you to come away from that discussion frustrated, angry and
wanting to do like Langston Hughes’ Jess B. Semple and smash
something!

The term “white supremacy,” however, is much more accurate. White
supremacy undergirds the thought, the order that they might become
more rounded and fully productive citizens in this culture and in this
country. What we need to do, however, is go beyond training and
educate our children!

We need to educate our children to the reality of white supremacy.
We need to educate our children as to the difference between
desegregation and equality, the difference between the legal issues
and the spiritual issues; and the difference between access in this
country as opposed to acceptance in this country!

We need to educate our children about the white supremacist’s
foundations of the educational system, the educational philosophy and
the very curricula that immerses them in a culture of white supremacy
from kindergarten through graduate school! We need to educate our
children how to navigate the dangerous waters that lie ahead of them
in this 21st century.

In navigating the waters, our children need to be aware of the
shark-infested waters and the other predators that live in those
waters.

Hurricane Katrina gave us some important images that are analogous
to the future that our children have to learn how to navigate. When
the levees in Louisiana broke alligators, crocodiles and piranha swam
freely through what used to be the streets of New Orleans. That is an
analogy that we need to drum into the heads of our African American
children (and indeed, all children!).

In the flood waters of white supremacy that our children have to
negotiate economically, educationally, culturally, socially and
spiritually, there are not only sharks in those waters, there are also
crocodiles, alligators and piranha!

The policies, with which we live now and against which our
children will have to struggle in order to bring about “the beloved
community,” are policies shaped by predators. Jesus taught us that
white supremacy – or the thinking that any one race is superior to any
other race – is against the Will of God, who only created one race,
the human race!

Looking Ahead

I look back during the month of May to assess the powerful
ramifications of the Brown versus Board of Education decision and our
misunderstanding of what the full import of that decision meant. I
look around to assess where it is we are now in terms of the work that
is cut out ahead of us as we educate our children; and I look forward
with hope.

We are on the verge of launching our African-centered Christian
school. The dream of that school, which we articulated in 1979, was
built on hope. That hope still lives. That school has to have at its
core an understanding and assessment of white supremacy as we
deconstruct that reality to help our children become all that God
created them to be when God made them in God’s own image.

We teach with hope. It is the same hope which would not let Adam
Clayton Powell, Denmark Vesey, Alexander Crummel, Harriet Tubman or
Septima Clark give up. It is the same hope which motivated Martin
King, Rosa Parks, Samuel DeWitt Proctor, Coretta Scott King, Harry
Belafonte and Mary Henderson Wright. I look forward with hope.

We lay a foundation, deconstructing the household of white
supremacy with tools that are not the master’s tools. We lay that
foundation with hope. We deconstruct the vicious and demonic ideology
of white supremacy with hope. Our hope is not built on faith-based
dollars, empty liberal promises or veiled hate-filled preachments of
the so-called conservatives. Our hope is built on Him who came in the
flesh to set us free.

Pastor Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/racist-jeremiah-wright-on-white-supremacy
But he’s not a racist. Not much.

Now before you start braying about im being a "racist" Point out the
exact statements tha that you can prove to be false!!

If you can't do that, then be quiet and let a mam come in.




“While the worship is always inspiring, the welcome extravagant,
and the preaching biblically based and prophetically challenging, I
have been especially moved by the way Trinity ministers to its young
people, nurturing them to claim their Christian faith, to celebrate
their African-American heritage, and to pursue higher education to
prepare themselves for leadership in church and society,” Thomas says.


PhD. Tim "White Man Wise"
http://truthabouttrinity.blogspot.com/2008/03/tim-wise-of-national-lies-and-racial.html

The Truth About Trinity United Church of Christ

Thursday, March 20, 2008
Tim Wise : Of National Lies and Racial Amnesia

I've been following Tim since I was a youth. Again he demonstrates a
white man who's actually taken the time to look at racial issues
through an academic lens. He needs to visit trinity. Trinitarians
would totally love him! Read the entire article HERE

But here we are, in 2008, fuming at the words of Pastor Jeremiah
Wright, of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago--occasionally
Barack Obama's pastor, and the man whom Obama credits with having
brought him to Christianity--for merely reminding us of those evils
about which we have remained so quiet, so dismissive, so unconcerned.
It is not the crime that bothers us, but the remembrance of it, the
unwillingness to let it go--these last words being the first ones
uttered by most whites it seems whenever anyone, least of all an
"angry black man" like Jeremiah Wright, foists upon us the bill of
particulars for several centuries of white supremacy.

But our collective indignation, no matter how loudly we announce
it, cannot drown out the truth. And as much as white America may not
be able to hear it (and as much as politics may require Obama to
condemn it) let us be clear, Jeremiah Wright fundamentally told the
truth.

Oh I know that for some such a comment will seem shocking. After
all, didn't he say that America "got what it deserved" on 9/11? And
didn't he say that black people should be singing "God Damn America"
because of its treatment of the African American community throughout
the years?

Well actually, no he didn't.

Wright said not that the attacks of September 11th were justified,
but that they were, in effect, predictable. Deploying the imagery of
chickens coming home to roost is not to give thanks for the return of
the poultry or to endorse such feathered homecoming as a positive
good; rather, it is merely to note two things: first, that what goes
around, indeed, comes around--a notion with longstanding theological
grounding--and secondly, that the U.S. has indeed engaged in more than
enough violence against innocent people to make it just a tad bit
hypocritical for us to then evince shock and outrage about an attack .







Everything you ever wanted to know about politics,racism, White Supremacy, and religion,
but were afraid to ask!

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RACE_RACISM_AND_RELIGION_2008/
...
Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 12:20 pm
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On Jun 8, 10:20 am, Knowledge <knowled... at (no spam) charter.net> wrote:
Quote:
    Looking Back, Looking Around, Looking Ahead!

    Looking Back

    The month of May each year is the month that I look back to the
Brown versus Board of Education decision that was passed in May of
1954. I was twelve years old and anxiously looking forward to turning
thirteen that September. The decision meant nothing to me at first
because I lived in Philadelphia. Living in Philadelphia meant that I
had attended an integrated elementary school, was attending an
integrated junior high school and would be attending an integrated
high school.

    Because my grandparents lived in Virginia, however, I understood
clearly the segregation problem in the South. The Supreme Court
decision about the desegregation of public schools, however, made no
day-to-day difference in my twelve-year-old world in Philadelphia. I
did not understand, therefore, what was really at stake, what was
being won and what was being lost in that momentous decision made by
the Supreme Court in May of 1954.

    Looking back, however, I have come to learn some very painful
lessons about that momentous decision. The first lesson I learned was
that desegregation is not the same as integration.

    Desegregation meant that African American children could no longer
be denied the right to go to schools that were “For Whites Only.”
Desegregation did not mean that white children would now come to Black
schools and learn our story, our history, our heritage, our legacy,
our beauty and our strength!

Nor would they vote - as black voters do - at a 90% clip for an
underqualified black candidate.
Talk about segregation... (!)
Non scrivetemi...
Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 12:20 pm
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On 08 Jun 2008, Knowledge <knowledg_e at (no spam) charter.net> posted some
news:un4o4419vbfan0ppdn4tdqr1mio0qisodu at (no spam) 4ax.com:

Quote:
Looking Back, Looking Around, Looking Ahead!

Looking Back

The month of May each year is the month that I look back to the
Brown versus Board of Education decision that was passed in May of
1954. I was twelve years old and anxiously looking forward to being
fucked up the ass by my big black brother.

Spoken like a true negro.
LidsvilleNine...
Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 1:19 pm
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On Jun 8, 12:20 pm, Knowledge <knowled... at (no spam) charter.net> wrote:
Quote:
Looking Back, Looking Around, Looking Ahead!

Looking Back

The month of May each year is the month that I look back to the
Brown versus Board of Education decision that was passed in May of
1954. I was twelve years old

Good grief!!
I figured you for about 18 NOW.
Road taco...
Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 2:10 pm
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Quote:

Desegregation meant that African American children could no longer
be denied the right to go to schools that were “For Whites Only.”
Desegregation did not mean that white children would now come to Black
schools and learn our story, our history, our heritage, our legacy,
our beauty and our strength!

The poor White kids. They would never learn to build a dugout canoe, or
a blow gun, or how to make decent fried chicken.
Quote:


That access, incidentally, is still being blocked. It is being
blocked very sophisticatedly, both in the South and in the North (up
South!), with attacks upon affirmative action, with the “conservative”
agenda and with policies put in place by the Republican Party, which
is the Party for the “have mores.”

Sure, which is why this asshole is teaching graduate school and has the
mental "depth" of a high school sophomore. It's called affirmative action.
Quote:

Having legal access to schools and public accommodations, however,
does not touch the deeper moral “American” problem, which is white
supremacy! I owe much of my insights on this issue to Lewis Baldwin.

Another Negro rocket scientist.
Quote:

Dr. Lewis Baldwin, a professor of African American studies at
Vanderbilt University, points out a very important truth in his
analysis of George Fredrickson’s monumental work in comparative
history. Fredrickson compares the Apartheid in South Africa with the
segregation here in the United States of America. Fredrickson’s years
of teaching at Northwestern produced two very important works that
deal with the comparisons between the Apartheid of South Africa and
the “Jim Crow” in America.

These "educators" are real philosophers. Last year they discovered their
toes and belly buttons.
Quote:

What Dr. Baldwin (a student of Fredrickson’s) does is point out
the importance of Fredrickson’s insights. Dr. Fredrickson helps us to
see that the real nature of the beast has to do with white supremacy.
Baldwin prefers the term white supremacy over “racism” because it is
far more accurate in describing what took place in South Africa and
what still takes place in South Africa. It is also a term which puts
its finger on the pulse of the reality of American thought and
American practice!

Sure,it's White supremacy. It's not the Negroes' fault that they are
stupid and incompetent. They overlook the fact that after apartheid
ended, the Negroes started chopping each other up with machetes, and
laid the rich land to waste.

Quote:
“Racism,” in Baldwin’s opinion, is too nebulous a term. It is
slippery and has many different meanings for many different people. I
have even heard misguided (and ignorant) pundits like Rush Limbaugh
and Tom DeLay calling Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney and other Black
people racists. I have heard the term “Black racism” and I have also
heard the term “reverse racism.”

The nerve calling those porch monkeys racist! They hate everybody
because they were born Negroid.
Quote:


Twelve years after Nelson Mandela is out of prison and Black South
Africans control the legal structure in that country; yet, white
supremacy is still in charge. It is “living large and in charge!”

Mainly because they need the stoplights to work, the A/C to work, the
elevators in buildings built by Whites need to work. Whites are needed
to stop the natives from bludgeoning and chopping each other to death.

Quote:

Black Africans do not control the economic systems, the military
or have control over the resources (the diamonds, the oil and the
natural resources that were stolen by the whites who took over South
Africa), and until that changes, white supremacy will still be in
charge!

The Black Africans are still running around with machetes, eating each
other, and spreading AIDS. They rape babies as a cure for STDs, and you
think they could develop oil and diamond mines to make a profit? If they
are so smart, why don't they use their uranium resources and build a
power plant?
Quote:

White supremacy is not a legal problem. It is a spiritual problem,
a psychological problem and a moral problem.

Basacally, it is your problem, because no one of any intelligence gives
a shit.

Quote:

White supremacy controls the economic system in America, the
healthcare system in America and the educational system in America.
Hurricane Katrina has pulled the blinders off of all Americans and
shown us what white supremacy means at its ugly core and what it has
done to the fabric of these “still-yet-to-be-United States” (to use
Maya Angelou’s term). That is what I see when looking back during the
month of May.

What Katrina proved is that Blacks in charge of anything are
incompetent. It proved that New Orleans was a Negro welfare society, and
White people had to rescue them from their incompetence and stupidity.
Quote:

Looking Around

Educating our children to the reality of white supremacy becomes
crucial for African Americans and for all Americans. Educating our
children is a term that I use pointedly. I do not mean “training” our
children. That is a part of our problem now.

Train your children to use a fork and spoon. Train them not to shit in
elevators or steal and rob.
Quote:

The misuse of that term ignores the fact that Africans do not
control the military, the police, the legal structure or any of the
means to enforce their race prejudice. To try to get misinformed
whites and blacks to understand that fact is a waste of time.

Kinda like getting Negroes to pay rent.
Quote:

You end up trying to make a blind man see something that he is
physically and biologically unable to do. The use of the term
“racism,” therefore, makes one enter into an exercise in futility and
causes you to come away from that discussion frustrated, angry and
wanting to do like Langston Hughes’ Jess B. Semple and smash
something!

Maybe burn down most of Los Angeles, and loot the stores. Maybe loot New
Orleans until all the Whites leave?

Quote:
The term “white supremacy,” however, is much more accurate. White
supremacy undergirds the thought, the order that they might become
more rounded and fully productive citizens in this culture and in this
country. What we need to do, however, is go beyond training and
educate our children!

The Whites have been trying to do that for over a century, even putting
day care centers in high schools for the little bastard children, and
throwing money at the problem until it becomes a cash cow for the Negro.
Quote:

We need to educate our children to the reality of white supremacy.
We need to educate our children as to the difference between
desegregation and equality, the difference between the legal issues
and the spiritual issues; and the difference between access in this
country as opposed to acceptance in this country!

How about teaching them morality, honesty, entegrity, and how to be a
good citizen?
Quote:

We need to educate our children about the white supremacist’s
foundations of the educational system, the educational philosophy and
the very curricula that immerses them in a culture of white supremacy
from kindergarten through graduate school! We need to educate our
children how to navigate the dangerous waters that lie ahead of them
in this 21st century.

First teach them how to keep their pants on..
Quote:

In navigating the waters, our children need to be aware of the
shark-infested waters and the other predators that live in those
waters.

Like Black pimps, dope dealers, and gang members,
Quote:

Hurricane Katrina gave us some important images that are analogous
to the future that our children have to learn how to navigate. When
the levees in Louisiana broke alligators, crocodiles and piranha swam
freely through what used to be the streets of New Orleans. That is an
analogy that we need to drum into the heads of our African American
children (and indeed, all children!).

You must have had a bowl of stupid for breakfast. Crocodiles are found
in South America, and a small numberbon the tip of Florida. Alligators
are in Louisiana, but crocs.
Here's another tidbit of trivia for you, compliments of White peoples'
research:
Piranhas are tropical fish that are distributed throughout South America
in the Amazon Basin Brazil and Venezuela. They are fresh water fish that
inhabit the open waters of rivers. Jeeeeeeeze...
Quote:

In the flood waters of white supremacy that our children have to
negotiate economically, educationally, culturally, socially and
spiritually, there are not only sharks in those waters, there are also
crocodiles, alligators and piranha!

Oh yeah, I forgot about the sharks. BTW, if you were carrying your books
in plastic bank bag, would you rather walk through a quarter mile of
jungle, a White neighorhood, or a Black neighborhood?
Quote:

The policies, with which we live now and against which our
children will have to struggle in order to bring about “the beloved
community,” are policies shaped by predators. Jesus taught us that
white supremacy – or the thinking that any one race is superior to any
other race – is against the Will of God, who only created one race,
the human race!

You better go tell the "Minister" Calypso Louie Farrakhan, "Rev."
Wright, and the Black Muslims.
Quote:

Looking Ahead

.....snip "Rev" Wright's hyperbole and other anti-American bullshit

snipped....
alpha delta pi presidident...
Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 3:39 pm
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In article <un4o4419vbfan0ppdn4tdqr1mio0qisodu at (no spam) 4ax.com>,
Knowledge <knowledg_e at (no spam) charter.net> wrote:

Quote:
As a matter of fact, across the years that I have been teaching
graduate school (since 1975), I have tried to get my students to
understand that one of the tragedies about the whole “integration era”
was that African Americans did not understand what integration meant.
Integration means the coming together of equals to the table.

Lemme guess, you dont have a phd, you have a masters, you teach African
american studies at a Community college. You are the Male equivalent of
the dyke that teaches women's studies!!!!
Twitchell...
Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 3:59 pm
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In article
<adpipresidentchico-497719.13393608062008 at (no spam) newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>, alpha
delta pi presidident says...
Quote:

In article <un4o4419vbfan0ppdn4tdqr1mio0qisodu at (no spam) 4ax.com>,
Knowledge <knowledg_e at (no spam) charter.net> wrote:

As a matter of fact, across the years that I have been teaching
graduate school (since 1975), I have tried to get my students to
understand that one of the tragedies about the whole “integration era”
was that African Americans did not understand what integration meant.
Integration means the coming together of equals to the table.

Lemme guess, you dont have a phd, you have a masters, you teach African
american studies at a Community college. You are the Male equivalent of
the dyke that teaches women's studies!!!!

BINGO!
Knowledge...
Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 4:29 pm
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On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 22:04:51 +0200 (CEST), "Non scrivetemi"
<nonscrivetemi at (no spam) pboxmix.winstonsmith.info> wrote:

Quote:

On 08 Jun 2008, Knowledge <knowledg_e at (no spam) charter.net> posted some
news:un4o4419vbfan0ppdn4tdqr1mio0qisodu at (no spam) 4ax.com:

Looking Back, Looking Around, Looking Ahead!

Looking Back

The month of May each year is the month that I look back to the
Brown versus Board of Education decision that was passed in May of
1954. I was twelve years old and anxiously looking forward to being
fucked up the ass by my big black brother.

Spoken like a true negro.

Lei e veramente un pezzo di merda! :-0







Everything you ever wanted to know about politics,racism, White Supremacy, and religion,
but were afraid to ask!

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RACE_RACISM_AND_RELIGION_2008/
Day Brown...
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 12:46 am
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Quote:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RACE_RACISM_AND_RELIGION_2008/
I dont go to yahoo. Dont trust the bastards.


I'm more interested in solutions. Therefore, I propose that the welfare agencies offer young women fertility clinic services. They can get their own mtDNA analyzed and then select from among thousands of Y chromosome lines that are far more promising than what's in the nuts of the local stud muffin pool. If the taxpayers are going to pay for raising bastards anyway, they should get much better results for their money.

Let the women decide what haplotypes they want in their own kids. They can pick the color of the donors. The intelligence, the immune system characteristics, or whatever else seems important.

This means that only the men who are responsibile enuf to support families will stay in the gene pool. I do not care what color their skin is. The women can make their own choices.
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Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:33 am
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-Phil Clemence...
Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 7:33 pm
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"Knowledge" <knowledg_e at (no spam) charter.net> wrote in message
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| Looking Back, Looking Around, Looking Ahead!
|
| Looking Back

8< -------------------------------

| Desegregation meant that African American children could no longer
| be denied the right to go to schools that were "For Whites Only."
| Desegregation did not mean that white children would now come to Black
| schools and learn our story, our history, our heritage, our legacy,
| our beauty and our strength!
|
---------------------------------------------------

I did not take the time to read all this, or the thread, but this
statement annoyed me.

Desegregation did not mean Whitey would learn Black culture.
That came with busing. Forcing Whitey to go to black schools and learn
Black culture.


I had a couple of black friends in my neighborhood (they actually lived in
the newer section- not much more expensive, i suppose, but I regarded them
as more refined than my family and most of the ones in my close
neighborhood. It did not become obvious to me that Black culture was any
other than that of my new-section Black neighbors. High grades - achievers
(maybe taught by example of their parents). I knew the type and
categorized them (from white examples). I did know a few other black
people. More frequently i saw the tiny houses with dirt yards lining the
road on the way to and from places. A couple had Caddilacs in front of
them and were older folks. I thought they were smart to get good cars
(there was always a vague anxiety in my family about some possible car
trouble - at that age i didn't know the specifics.) Of course they did not
have a lot of kids and did not need a big house. And they were closer to
the store too. I wished i lived down that end of the development when i
was younger and was not allowed to walk to the store alone.
I labeled them as Black. I did not discriminate much from that fact
though. I did not have examples other them in large enough categories to
lump them together, thinking- ok ..most are like this or that.. or do this
or that. They were the poorer ones and the more well-off ones.. the older
ones and the young families. The new Blacks were there maybe a couple of
years when the busing thing came up, so we were in 4th and 5th grades and
then, when we moved on to middle school we were all sent 'downtown'.
That was when i started to label groups really well. There were only two
groups. Us and them. The downtowners were mostly black.(Maybe 90 percent-
the rest a mix ) and we were mostly white. Or whitish ..maybe one or two
yellow or tan ... and even our Blacks were not like the other Blacks. It
was pretty obvious to me that there had to be something about the culture
downtown that made these other kids different. We had our bad kids,
believe me, and they did too... but they were different as a group, as I
found the hard way on an individual level a few times.

That is when i learned, for my own safety, to prejudge Black people.
That was when the Blacks i knew before and a few "downtown blacks" in my
classes became exceptons to the rule.
The downtown experience taught me many things, including to use the word
'nigger'.
To me it meant most downtown Black boys (most of the girls were better
behaved back then no matter where they were from, and my reasons for
prejudging girls had little to do with the color of their skin and so my
methods were different.)
I learned that if you got into a fight with a downtown black he might have
a knife. "downtown black" was the actual term we used when talking
normally- 'black' had been the term, and 'nigger' did not come naturally,
but was used on an idividual basis as a put-down when talking shit or in
anger. I don't recall much use of 'niggers'. As far as I can guess few
parents indoctrinated the kids i knew about the bahavior of Blacks from
downtown - we developed our own prejudice from experience.
Back then, black and white families were more similar than now, but the
neighborhoods were different.
Black culture has not improved as far as overall achievment (including a
marriage that will last at least eighteen to 25 years).
None of us should be proud about who or what we are, or what our cultures
have done.
Pride belongs to individuals. Proud to be black? Why?
Proud to be "country"? why?
Proud to be what?

Black "culture" is NOT a good thing.
If you are talking about African culture, well the old ways were pretty
cool, and if there is anything to be proud of those individuals are the
ones who should feel proud as appropriate.
White "culture" doesn't exist. Too many different cultures to say
anything.
Western culture? Yeah thats a big generality though.
American culture? I guess you would have to say it is in the top five of
best cultures in which to live, so.. 95% of the world sucks more.
I don't want to seem proud. This culture was none of MY doing.
same for everyone. In that way , no one can be blamed for the situations
we are each in.
Well , i will finish up.
Those who deserve credit and blame are gone. They may be the reason or
cause of the good or bad we experience but not to hold with pride or
blame. That makes the irrevocable statement of how things "are", when in
fact we should only view as "how things were", so that we are free to act
differently.
As for black and white, I have come to the point where there is little
connection in my mind between black individuals and black culture.
I feel that black culture is a symptom of, and part of the the reasons
for, the lack of integration of blacks into American culture considering
how long it has been. It is a bad thing to have pride in what you have
nothing to do with. Worse to try to make up things to have pride in,
because once the pride is placed it is in great danger of being exposed
(and often already is in the mind of the subject- self-deception is
employed -such is the need to have something to be proud of.
It is the problem with 'feel-good' education. The children will find their
self-esteem is groundless (and probably know it subconsciously if they
have any prior experience of succeeding at anything - which most do,
having learned to walk and talk and poop in a can.. millions of things
they have achieved- there may be a chance they can feel the truth.
Day Brown...
Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 11:38 am
Guest
My sympathies Phil. Now, if I were to refer to a man with impulsive
violence and a history of alcohol abuse as a 'nigger', they call me a
racist. But were I to refer to a man with impulsive violence and a
history of alcohol abuse as a redneck, somehow that is acceptable.

Now, as a matter of fact, this time of year, I'm pretty busy in the
garden, and dont have time to keep up on all the threads. But being out
there in the sun has given me a red neck. Yet nobody calls me a redneck.
And the black UPS driver seems to be well received wherever he goes; I
dont think anyone calls him a nigger either.

this is not to say that there not both niggers and rednecks.
Youre Another...
Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 12:55 pm
Guest
In article <48933b05$0$13395$ec3e2dad at (no spam) unlimited.usenetmonster.com>, Day
Brown <daybrown at (no spam) daybrown.org> wrote:

Quote:
My sympathies Phil. Now, if I were to refer to a man with impulsive
violence and a history of alcohol abuse as a 'nigger', they call me a
racist. But were I to refer to a man with impulsive violence and a
history of alcohol abuse as a redneck, somehow that is acceptable.

Now, as a matter of fact, this time of year, I'm pretty busy in the
garden, and dont have time to keep up on all the threads. But being out
there in the sun has given me a red neck. Yet nobody calls me a redneck.
And the black UPS driver seems to be well received wherever he goes; I
dont think anyone calls him a nigger either.

this is not to say that there not both niggers and rednecks.
---------------------------------------------------------------

Does anyone have any actual evidence that McCain is white?
Has he revealed his biological geneology?
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luuk fairbanks...
Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 7:18 am
Guest
On 02 Aug 2008, Day Brown <daybrown at (no spam) daybrown.org> posted some
news:48949468$0$18075$ec3e2dad at (no spam) unlimited.usenetmonster.com:

Quote:
Youre Another wrote:
In article <48933b05$0$13395$ec3e2dad at (no spam) unlimited.usenetmonster.com>,
Day Brown <daybrown at (no spam) daybrown.org> wrote:

My sympathies Phil. Now, if I were to refer to a man with impulsive
violence and a history of alcohol abuse as a 'nigger', they call me
a racist. But were I to refer to a man with impulsive violence and a
history of alcohol abuse as a redneck, somehow that is acceptable.

Now, as a matter of fact, this time of year, I'm pretty busy in the
garden, and dont have time to keep up on all the threads. But being
out there in the sun has given me a red neck. Yet nobody calls me a
redneck. And the black UPS driver seems to be well received wherever
he goes; I dont think anyone calls him a nigger either.

this is not to say that there not both niggers and rednecks.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Does anyone have any actual evidence that McCain is white?
Has he revealed his biological geneology?
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Is there some reason I should care? Has he been impulsively aggressive
or abused alcohol? I wont rag on his case for dumping his first wife,
understanding how one needs a trophy for a political career.

If a trophy wife is a requirement for a political career, Obama is fucked.
Day Brown...
Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 12:11 pm
Guest
Youre Another wrote:
Quote:
In article <48933b05$0$13395$ec3e2dad at (no spam) unlimited.usenetmonster.com>, Day
Brown <daybrown at (no spam) daybrown.org> wrote:

My sympathies Phil. Now, if I were to refer to a man with impulsive
violence and a history of alcohol abuse as a 'nigger', they call me a
racist. But were I to refer to a man with impulsive violence and a
history of alcohol abuse as a redneck, somehow that is acceptable.

Now, as a matter of fact, this time of year, I'm pretty busy in the
garden, and dont have time to keep up on all the threads. But being out
there in the sun has given me a red neck. Yet nobody calls me a redneck.
And the black UPS driver seems to be well received wherever he goes; I
dont think anyone calls him a nigger either.

this is not to say that there not both niggers and rednecks.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Does anyone have any actual evidence that McCain is white?
Has he revealed his biological geneology?
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Is there some reason I should care? Has he been impulsively aggressive

or abused alcohol? I wont rag on his case for dumping his first wife,
understanding how one needs a trophy for a political career.
 
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