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Sir Frederick...
Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:13 pm
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I am more bear than human. I
live alone and don't like people.
The feeling is mutual.
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http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19826592.700-all-alone.html
All alone
04 June 2008
From New Scientist Print Edition. Subscribe and get 4 free issues.

Do polar bears get lonely? I'm not being flippant, just attempting to find out why animals such as humans or penguins are
gregarious while others, such as polar bears and eagles, live more solitary lives.

Having a gregarious or solitary nature are species-specific survival strategies adopted by different animals and birds. Big
predatory mammals such as polar bears, grizzlies and tigers isolate themselves from one another to avoid competition with other
members of their own species. By spreading out, they also expand their feeding grounds and breeding territories. If fellow species
members come into close proximity there can be fierce competition for food, mates and territory. The same is true with many solitary
species of birds, such as eagles and condors.

These animals and birds usually pair up during the breeding season to reproduce, and separate soon after successful mating or when
they have raised their young ones. In most cases, raising the young is the sole responsibility of females. Indeed, males of such
species sometimes kill their young to increase their own reproductive success.

Social animals, by contrast, find strength in numbers. Animals such as antelope on the African savannah or penguins in the Antarctic
form big colonies, where they huddle together for warmth and to alert each other to a potential predator attack. In a large herd or
colony, losses to predators are negligible compared with what they would be if the animals were in isolated groups.

Between the solitary and social extremes are creatures like lions, wild dogs and wolves, which often hunt in groups and display
differing degrees of social interaction and cooperation.

A similar question can be asked about why some plants are gregarious while others are solitary. In one intriguing strategy, called
allelopathy, gregarious plants secrete chemicals into the soil to reduce competition from related species that cannot survive the
presence of these compounds. As with animals, these strategies have evolved to maximise the plants' chances of survival.

Saikat Basu, Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada

Bears and eagles rarely associate with their own kind because individuals need to defend their own feeding territories in which food
is often scarce. Polar bears live in an environment where the food resources are too limited to sustain a large community, so it
makes sense for them to be the only predator in this particular niche. When food is plentiful both bears and eagles will gather
together with a reasonable degree of amity.

The reverse is true for social animals, including humans. Social animals are often prey for other species, and cluster together for
safety against predation - though this is only one of the reasons for group formation. But when food is scarce, individuals may
break away from the group to find it.

Whether an animal can feel anything resembling the loneliness humans feel is hard to say. However, highly social animals such as
certain types of parrots seem to be adversely affected when kept alone. Some parrots will engage in bizarre behaviours and can
self-mutilate. Some large parrots will even seem to go "insane" if subjected to long periods of isolation.

On the other hand, certain animals that are by nature solitary hardly seem to be affected at all. Some fish, in particular some
types of cichlids, will fight viciously with their own kind if more than one is kept in an aquarium. Guam rails, a kind of
flightless bird, are notoriously intolerant of their own kind, which has obviously made breeding them in captivity very difficult.

So the answer to the question is a qualified yes: some animals will feel "lonely" if they are by nature highly social. However, some
will only engage with their own at specific times and in a highly ritualistic fashion, such as when mating or defending their
territory.

By email, no name or address supplied

It depends on the bear and the circumstances. Loneliness is a reaction to deprivation of company when company is appropriate. In the
case of polar bears, company usually represents competition or threat, so they do very well by themselves, thank you - unless you
happen to be small enough to eat. In certain situations, when food and breeding are not relevant, males will wrestle harmlessly to
establish dominance, thereby reducing the risks of dangerous fighting when mating time comes, but that is pretty much that.

Cubs want their mother's company for food, protection and reassurance, and they want each other's company for socialisation, warmth
and play. Females want the company of their cubs, but keep other adults (and cubs) at a distance. Once her cubs mature or die, a
mother again becomes a loner until mating time, and then tolerates males only briefly. She has no reason to want any company beyond
that.

It is all part of the adaptation to their environment. In zoos, where security and food are no constraint, polar bears often seem
happy to have the stimulus of company.

Jon Richfield, Somerset West, South Africa

From issue 2659 of New Scientist magazine, 04 June 2008, page 85
Immortalist...
Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:13 pm
Guest
On Jun 7, 8:13 pm, Sir Frederick <mmcne... at (no spam) fuzzysys.com> wrote:
Quote:
I am more bear than human. I
live alone and don't like people.
The feeling is mutual.
-------------------------------------------------

When I get the flu I feel like that sometimes but it probably is
fighting against our nature. Maybe you should get out somehow and hang
around with other people periodically, for any reason just to
interact. You interact here and we are your friends, I am sure that if
we were all in one room we would get along fine and not want to leave
even after Gordge ran half of us away permenantly.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19826592.700-all-alone.html
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-WiLsB-SOUY
turtoni...
Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:13 pm
Guest
On Jun 7, 11:13 pm, Sir Frederick <mmcne... at (no spam) fuzzysys.com> wrote:
Quote:
I am more bear than human. I
live alone and don't like people.
The feeling is mutual.

You're not missing much. People are irritating to each other more
often than not. Hence the need to live in boxes, travel in boxes and
work in boxes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSG_CjcbfKI


Quote:
-------------------------------------------------http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19826592.700-all-alone.html
All alone
04 June 2008
From New Scientist Print Edition. Subscribe and get 4 free issues.

 Do polar bears get lonely? I'm not being flippant, just attempting to find out why animals such as humans or penguins are
gregarious while others, such as polar bears and eagles, live more solitary lives.

Having a gregarious or solitary nature are species-specific survival strategies adopted by different animals and birds. Big
predatory mammals such as polar bears, grizzlies and tigers isolate themselves from one another to avoid competition with other
members of their own species. By spreading out, they also expand their feeding grounds and breeding territories. If fellow species
members come into close proximity there can be fierce competition for food, mates and territory. The same is true with many solitary
species of birds, such as eagles and condors.

These animals and birds usually pair up during the breeding season to reproduce, and separate soon after successful mating or when
they have raised their young ones. In most cases, raising the young is the sole responsibility of females. Indeed, males of such
species sometimes kill their young to increase their own reproductive success.

Social animals, by contrast, find strength in numbers. Animals such as antelope on the African savannah or penguins in the Antarctic
form big colonies, where they huddle together for warmth and to alert each other to a potential predator attack. In a large herd or
colony, losses to predators are negligible compared with what they would be if the animals were in isolated groups.

Between the solitary and social extremes are creatures like lions, wild dogs and wolves, which often hunt in groups and display
differing degrees of social interaction and cooperation.

A similar question can be asked about why some plants are gregarious while others are solitary. In one intriguing strategy, called
allelopathy, gregarious plants secrete chemicals into the soil to reduce competition from related species that cannot survive the
presence of these compounds. As with animals, these strategies have evolved to maximise the plants' chances of survival.

Saikat Basu, Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada

Bears and eagles rarely associate with their own kind because individuals need to defend their own feeding territories in which food
is often scarce. Polar bears live in an environment where the food resources are too limited to sustain a large community, so it
makes sense for them to be the only predator in this particular niche. When food is plentiful both bears and eagles will gather
together with a reasonable degree of amity.

The reverse is true for social animals, including humans. Social animals are often prey for other species, and cluster together for
safety against predation - though this is only one of the reasons for group formation. But when food is scarce, individuals may
break away from the group to find it.

Whether an animal can feel anything resembling the loneliness humans feel is hard to say. However, highly social animals such as
certain types of parrots seem to be adversely affected when kept alone. Some parrots will engage in bizarre behaviours and can
self-mutilate. Some large parrots will even seem to go "insane" if subjected to long periods of isolation.

On the other hand, certain animals that are by nature solitary hardly seem to be affected at all. Some fish, in particular some
types of cichlids, will fight viciously with their own kind if more than one is kept in an aquarium. Guam rails, a kind of
flightless bird, are notoriously intolerant of their own kind, which has obviously made breeding them in captivity very difficult.

So the answer to the question is a qualified yes: some animals will feel "lonely" if they are by nature highly social. However, some
will only engage with their own at specific times and in a highly ritualistic fashion, such as when mating or defending their
territory.

By email, no name or address supplied

It depends on the bear and the circumstances. Loneliness is a reaction to deprivation of company when company is appropriate. In the
case of polar bears, company usually represents competition or threat, so they do very well by themselves, thank you - unless you
happen to be small enough to eat. In certain situations, when food and breeding are not relevant, males will wrestle harmlessly to
establish dominance, thereby reducing the risks of dangerous fighting when mating time comes, but that is pretty much that.

Cubs want their mother's company for food, protection and reassurance, and they want each other's company for socialisation, warmth
and play. Females want the company of their cubs, but keep other adults (and cubs) at a distance. Once her cubs mature or die, a
mother again becomes a loner until mating time, and then tolerates males only briefly. She has no reason to want any company beyond
that.

It is all part of the adaptation to their environment. In zoos, where security and food are no constraint, polar bears often seem
happy to have the stimulus of company.

Jon Richfield, Somerset West, South Africa

From issue 2659 of New Scientist magazine, 04 June 2008, page 85
Immortalist...
Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:13 pm
Guest
On Jun 7, 8:57 pm, turtoni <turt... at (no spam) fastmail.net> wrote:
Quote:
On Jun 7, 11:13 pm, Sir Frederick <mmcne... at (no spam) fuzzysys.com> wrote:

I am more bear than human. I
live alone and don't like people.
The feeling is mutual.

You're not missing much. People are irritating to each other more
often than not. Hence the need to live in boxes, travel in boxes and
work in boxes.


That reminds of gret profit braua, Bohdi in point break, saying
something about rolling down the freeway in little metal boxes;


http://youtube.com/watch?v=oDBbEqYn8r0

http://youtube.com/watch?v=d4-Fso2EZq8

Quote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSG_CjcbfKI


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3zDV5V3SPg

Quote:


Seriously though depending on how for you seperate from the world and
how long can become very unhealthy.. and the nerve cells that mutated
around dat for millennia...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensory_deprivation

Sensory deprivation experiments of the 1950s have shown that human
beings need environmental stimulation to function normally. In a
classic early experiment, college students lay on a cot in a small,
empty cubicle nearly 24 hours a day, leaving only to eat and use the
bathroom. They wore translucent goggles that let in light but
prevented them from seeing any shapes or patterns, and they were
fitted with cotton gloves and cardboard cuffs to restrict the sense of
touch. The continuous hum of an air conditioner and U-shaped pillows
placed around their heads blocked out auditory stimulation.

Initially, the subjects slept, but eventually they became bored,
restless, and moody. They became disoriented and had difficulty
concentrating, and their performance on problem-solving tests
progressively deteriorated the longer they were isolated in the
cubicle. Some experienced auditory or visual hallucinations. Although
they were paid a generous sum for each day they participated in the
experiment, most subjects refused to continue past the second or third
day. After they left the isolation chamber, the perceptions of many
were temporarily distorted, and their brain-wave patterns, which had
slowed down during the experiment, took several hours to return to
normal. The intensity of the discomfort these volunteers experienced
helps explain why solitary confinement is often regarded as the most
severe form of punishment in prisons.

The deterioration in both physical and psychological functioning that
occurs with sensory deprivation has been linked to the need of human
beings for an optimal level of arousal. Too much or too little arousal
can produce stress and impair a person's mental and physical
abilities. Thus, appropriate degrees of sensory deprivation may
actually have a therapeutic effect when arousal levels are too high. A
form of sensory deprivation known as REST (restricted environmental
stimulation), which consists of floating for several hours in a dark,
soundproof tank of water heated to body temperature, has been used to
treat drug and smoking addictions, lower back pain, and other
conditions associated with excessive stress.

An isolation tank is a large, coffin-like structure in which a person
can float effortlessly, due to a water solution present. Once a person
is inside the tank, the top is closed and it becomes a completely
dark, soundproof enclosure. Thus the subject is devoid of all visual
stimuli, most auditory stimuli, and much kinesthetic stimuli (of
course, there is radio communication between subject and observer, in
case the subject wishes to be let out).

The purpose of these techniques is to limit the amount of external
stimuli that a person can sense, in hopes of learning what the mind
does in such situations and whether or not these circumstances has any
effects on that person’s cognitive, verbal, and perceptual abilities.

Given the mind’s ability to create its own stimuli in absence of
external stimuli, it is interesting to examine reports of being in a
seclusion room or tank.

Also worth noting is that most subjects reported a loss of conception
of time. Without external cues which would indicate time passage,
people may become confused and not know how much time has passed. This
can be seen easily in "The Man Who Lived Underground," a short story
by Richard Wright. In this story, a man is in the sewer system, thus
with very little visual stimuli. Very quickly he finds that he has no
idea what time of day it is, nor how much time has passed since he
first entered "underground". There is also psychological evidence
which supports this idea – a survey conducted by Soloff and Turner, in
which some patients stated that they could not always tell how long
they were in seclusion for (Soloff & Turner, 41). This is also
evidenced in other works, such as Chayefsky’s fiction novel, Altered
States, and in Aquino’s journal article, "Relationships Between
Stimulus Deprivation Theory and Creative Communications," in which he
describes his experiences in an isolation tank. Both account to the
loss of conception of the passage of time.

There is a filmic representation of this phenomena. In the movie The
Shining, by Stanley Kubrick, Jack Nicholson plays the role of a
caretaker of a hotel in Colorado in the winter when the hotel is shut
down. They are all alone in this hotel for about a month when he
looses his sanity, partly because of the seclusion that he and his
family are in. He begins to think that they are plotting against him.
It is evident that, aside from the supernatural quality of the house,
his seclusion has partially led him to this conclusion. It is easy to
see the breakdown between his fantasy and reality. He has an
hallucinogenic experience of drinking at a bar and being at a party.
This is a very good representation of what the mind may do in response
to being in a seclusion environment.

.............................................................
Buy a Float Tank

"Second best thing to being in Heaven"
Richard Jones, Australian Senator

Scientists estimate that up to 90% of the brain's normal workload is
caused by the effects of routine environmental stimulation the
combined effects of gravity, temperature, touch, light and sound on
the muscles, nervous system and sense organs of the body.

The float tank screens out these external physical stimuli, creating a
pure state of "sensory" relaxation. Under these unique conditions your
body has a chance to restore its natural powers of self regulation,
while you simply lie back and rediscover the latent abilities of a
deeply relaxed mind.

The sudden de-stimulation of large areas of the nervous system
triggers a spontaneous chain reaction throughout the body known as the
parasympathetic response. Muscle tension, blood pressure, heart rate
and oxygen consumption all drop dramatically. The whole chemistry of
the body changes.

Blood vessels including capillaries dilate, improving cardio-vascular
efficiency and increasing the supply of oxygen and nutrients to every
single cell in your body. This is called the vasodilatory effect

Stress related chemicals such as adrenaline, cortisol, ACTH and
lactate are removed from the bloodstream and replaced by beneficial
endorphins. High levels of cortisol and ACTH are known to weaken the
body's immune system and create feelings of depression, while lower
baseline levels are associated with feelings of dominance and
confidence.

Although your body enters a level of physical relaxation which is even
deeper than sleep, in the tank your mind remains awake and dreamily
alert, just above the threshold of sleep Large areas of the brain are
suddenly liberated from their normal workload of processing signals
from the nervous system and sense organs. There is a sharp drop in
the level of electrical activity of the brain (measured on an EEG)
from the usual 20-25 Hz down to 4-8 Hz.; EEG readings show a slow,
rhythmic wave pattern known as the theta state.

This is a twilight zone of creative, inspirational thought processes,
where your learning abilities are at their highest and powers of
visualisation and auto-suggestion are greatly enhanced. Measurements
of the brain waves produced by experienced zen meditators in deep
satori show large amounts of theta activity across the cortex. For
most people, however, the theta state is almost impossible to enter
without falling asleep. In the tank you enter this elusive state
effortlessly and enjoyably, and stay in it for most of the float
session. Time seems to vanish.

EEG measurements on floaters show that the level of activity in the
two hemispheres of the brain also becomes more balanced and
synchronised. This can produce a subtle shift in awareness away from
the normally dominant "left-brain" thought patterns (logical, linear,
analytical, detailed) towards the more intuitive, synthetic and large-
scale thought modes of the "right-brain". The tank does not inhibit
the left hemisphere, but simply changes its role from one of dominance
to one of partnership with the other hemisphere, enabling floaters to
use all their mental powers.

http://www.floattank.com/
Immortalist...
Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:13 pm
Guest
On Jun 7, 9:21 pm, Sir Frederick <mmcne... at (no spam) fuzzysys.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 20:21:36 -0700 (PDT), Immortalist <reanimater_2... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jun 7, 8:13 pm, Sir Frederick <mmcne... at (no spam) fuzzysys.com> wrote:
I am more bear than human. I
live alone and don't like people.
The feeling is mutual.
-------------------------------------------------

When I get the flu I feel like that sometimes but it probably is
fighting against our nature. Maybe you should get out somehow and hang
around with other people periodically, for any reason just to
interact. You interact here and we are your friends, I am sure that if
we were all in one room we would get along fine and not want to leave
even after Gordge ran half of us away permenantly.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19826592.700-all-alone.html
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-WiLsB-SOUY

Where are you living now, Temecula or Riverside?

shhh, you nasty bugger i is anonymous locee, want me to roll over the
hill and visit?
Sir Frederick...
Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 11:21 pm
Guest
On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 20:21:36 -0700 (PDT), Immortalist <reanimater_2000 at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

Quote:
On Jun 7, 8:13 pm, Sir Frederick <mmcne... at (no spam) fuzzysys.com> wrote:
I am more bear than human. I
live alone and don't like people.
The feeling is mutual.
-------------------------------------------------

When I get the flu I feel like that sometimes but it probably is
fighting against our nature. Maybe you should get out somehow and hang
around with other people periodically, for any reason just to
interact. You interact here and we are your friends, I am sure that if
we were all in one room we would get along fine and not want to leave
even after Gordge ran half of us away permenantly.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19826592.700-all-alone.html
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-WiLsB-SOUY

Where are you living now, Temecula or Riverside?
Mark Earnest...
Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 11:31 pm
Guest
"Sir Frederick" <mmcneill at (no spam) fuzzysys.com> wrote in message
news:qvim441nr3qfervd2igjgmkppjtm2kt9s8 at (no spam) 4ax.com...
Quote:
I am more bear than human. I
live alone and don't like people.
The feeling is mutual.


No man is an island.
Each man is a universe unto itself.
The irony of it all.
tooly...
Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:10 pm
Guest
"Sir Frederick" <mmcneill at (no spam) fuzzysys.com> wrote in message
news:qvim441nr3qfervd2igjgmkppjtm2kt9s8 at (no spam) 4ax.com...
Quote:
I am more bear than human. I
live alone and don't like people.
The feeling is mutual.
-------------------------------------------------


Nah...you got it wrong here Sir. I think everyone around this parts sees you
as an 'OK Joe'. It comes through best in your offereings of levity and
mirth.
 
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