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| thepursuit... |
 Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 7:11 pm |
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For obvious reasons I can understand most of the ISS countries aren't
too concerned with aesthetics, but wouldn't it help the public image and
legitimacy of it among non-space people if it didn't look like a bunch
of pipes and solar panels?
If it was a solid structure with the modules internal, and a big
readable (at least from space) "International Space Station" on it,
people would be more inclined to believe we're much more into space than
it may seem (since it's mostly research stations for now, regular people
won't give a shit).
Cover it with a giant shell which is also covered in solar panels, and
we'd have an awesome space station going. |
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| Alan Erskine... |
| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 11:34 pm |
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(top posted) - Is it school holidays somewhere? This is the second message
from this person (the other in ss.shuttle) that just doesn't add up.
"thepursuit" <flump at (no spam) xenma.com> wrote in message
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Quote: For obvious reasons I can understand most of the ISS countries aren't
too concerned with aesthetics, but wouldn't it help the public image and
legitimacy of it among non-space people if it didn't look like a bunch
of pipes and solar panels?
If it was a solid structure with the modules internal, and a big
readable (at least from space) "International Space Station" on it,
people would be more inclined to believe we're much more into space than
it may seem (since it's mostly research stations for now, regular people
won't give a shit).
Cover it with a giant shell which is also covered in solar panels, and
we'd have an awesome space station going. |
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| thepursuit... |
| Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 12:04 am |
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Merely posting a thought I had a few days ago, apologies if it doesn't
add up for you :)
Alan Erskine wrote:
Quote: (top posted) - Is it school holidays somewhere? This is the second message
from this person (the other in ss.shuttle) that just doesn't add up.
"thepursuit" <flump at (no spam) xenma.com> wrote in message
news:4830c5b3$0$11500$5a62ac22 at (no spam) per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
For obvious reasons I can understand most of the ISS countries aren't
too concerned with aesthetics, but wouldn't it help the public image and
legitimacy of it among non-space people if it didn't look like a bunch
of pipes and solar panels?
If it was a solid structure with the modules internal, and a big
readable (at least from space) "International Space Station" on it,
people would be more inclined to believe we're much more into space than
it may seem (since it's mostly research stations for now, regular people
won't give a shit).
Cover it with a giant shell which is also covered in solar panels, and
we'd have an awesome space station going.
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| Brian Gaff... |
| Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 3:13 am |
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Dear me. And who is going to pay for such a cosmetic endeavour?
Besides the current design is more configurable and easier to maintain.
Brian
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"thepursuit" <flump at (no spam) xenma.com> wrote in message
news:4830c5b3$0$11500$5a62ac22 at (no spam) per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
Quote: For obvious reasons I can understand most of the ISS countries aren't too
concerned with aesthetics, but wouldn't it help the public image and
legitimacy of it among non-space people if it didn't look like a bunch of
pipes and solar panels?
If it was a solid structure with the modules internal, and a big readable
(at least from space) "International Space Station" on it, people would be
more inclined to believe we're much more into space than it may seem
(since it's mostly research stations for now, regular people won't give a
shit).
Cover it with a giant shell which is also covered in solar panels, and
we'd have an awesome space station going. |
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| John Doe... |
| Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 5:19 am |
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In terms of the USA segment, the current design is actually fairly neat.
Nodes to which you can attach a number of tin cans. And the CBM design
for how those tin cans dock to each other is far mroe advanced than
previous designs, allowing for most connections to happen inside the
pressurised space.
The concept of the MPLM was brilliant for moving cargo to/from the station.
The fact that the solar arrays are so big compared to the station is
just an indication of the difficulties in building structures that can
actually do stuff in space. You need a lot of solar arrays to power the
station.
While the truss segment is not "cosmetic", it has some neat concepts,
such as rotating joints, and the mobile transporter than can move the
arms around. And the space station arm itself is also a fairly
sophisticated and very useful tool to work in space.
And when the cupola is finally launched, the crews will finally have
usable windows. (do they ever use the WORF anymore ?)
I would think the biggest failure is the lack of windows on the USA
segment. The russian segment has a number of windows, but they are small.
When Bush decided to kill the shuttle, he should have ordered a few
additional cupollas to be berthed in every free CBM hatch on the station.
The station is a long way from the sleek ones portrayed in 2001 a space
odyssey, or other science fiction series since then. We are still at our
infancy with space structures, but what they developped for ISS could
become quite useful for long trips to mars. And the experience gained
from trying to operate the ISS will also teach us what works reliable,
what doesn't and what can and cannot be fixed in space. And that is very
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| Derek Lyons... |
| Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 9:59 am |
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John Doe <jdoe at (no spam) doe.org> wrote:
Quote: I would think the biggest failure is the lack of windows on the USA
segment. The russian segment has a number of windows, but they are small.
Beyond something like the WORF, and few windows to observe work areas,
window aren't really useful on a space station.
Quote: The station is a long way from the sleek ones portrayed in 2001 a space
odyssey, or other science fiction series since then.
Mostly because the ISS has to work in the real world, while fictional
stations don't. Comparing them is stupid.
D.
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| Revision... |
| Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 3:06 am |
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Alpha is an odd looking critter, and yeah I wish it looked like the 2001
Space Odyssey version. What I wonder about is the future of the thing ...
no one seems to put a date on any retirement. I assume that it will be kept
running indefinitely, or that is to say as long as the users have sufficient
pull with various govt funding sources.
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| MO... |
| Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 10:15 am |
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On May 18, 5:11 pm, thepursuit <fl... at (no spam) xenma.com> wrote:
Quote: For obvious reasons I can understand most of the ISS countries aren't
too concerned with aesthetics, but wouldn't it help the public image and
legitimacy of it among non-space people if it didn't look like a bunch
of pipes and solar panels?
If it was a solid structure with the modules internal, and a big
readable (at least from space) "International Space Station" on it,
people would be more inclined to believe we're much more into space than
it may seem (since it's mostly research stations for now, regular people
won't give a shit).
Cover it with a giant shell which is also covered in solar panels, and
we'd have an awesome space station going.
Seems to me that the ISS design is strictly utilitarian. There is not
wieght allocation to make it "pretty"
It wil lbe up the the commercial ventures like Bigelow to make their
space hotels more visually appealing. There will be a whole new branch
of architecture...space architecture. |
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| Rocket... |
| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 8:57 pm |
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WORF flies sometime later in 2009. There are multiple
experiments planned for its use when it is installed. The Lab
window is used stand-alone in the meantime for both crew
preference photography as well as science, as are the plethora
of windows in the Russian segment...
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And when the cupola is finally launched, the crews will
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usable windows. (do they ever use the WORF anymore ?)
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| John Doe... |
| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 11:57 pm |
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Rocket wrote:
Quote: WORF flies sometime later in 2009.
Are there issues with using the window now ? Seems we don't see the
crews using it anymore. Do they use it for the shuttle inspection
pictures when the shuttle back flips ?
Once they plug the window with the rack, will it become unusable by
humans for sightseeing or taking pictures of the shuttle ? |
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