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| Raymond... |
Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 10:50 am |
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Not a trick question but a sensible one.
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| Hatunen... |
Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 11:12 am |
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On Fri, 16 May 2008 23:50:46 +0800, "Raymond"
<raymd at (no spam) singnet.com.sg> wrote:
Quote: Not a trick question but a sensible one.
Ray
95% or more are not dangerous.
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| Jim Willemin... |
Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 11:24 am |
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"Raymond" <raymd at (no spam) singnet.com.sg> wrote in news:g0k4el$p3h$1
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Quote: Not a trick question but a sensible one.
Ray
Well, considering that the effects of the earthquake in Sichuan a few days
ago killed at least thirty thousand, possibly fifty thousand people, you
tell me. If that is too much to grasp, consider the 57 people killed by the
Northridge earthquake, or the 63 killed by the Loma Prieta earthquake. Or
the thousands killed by the tsunami in the Indian Ocean four years ago.
Or are you making a distinction between the danger posed by moving ground
and the dangers posed by the effects of that motion on structures,
hillsides, ocean water (tsunami), etc.?
Just out of idle curiosity, what in the name of wonder makes you think that
this is a sensible question, given the facts above (all of which made
headlines for weeks)? |
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| Thomas A. Russ... |
Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 11:28 am |
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"Raymond" <raymd at (no spam) singnet.com.sg> writes:
Quote: Not a trick question but a sensible one.
Sometimes.
Is there some more specific question or point you had in mind?
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| Hatunen... |
Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 2:36 pm |
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On Fri, 16 May 2008 11:24:10 -0500, Jim Willemin
<jim***willemin at (no spam) hot***mail.com> wrote:
Quote: "Raymond" <raymd at (no spam) singnet.com.sg> wrote in news:g0k4el$p3h$1
at (no spam) reader01.singnet.com.sg:
Not a trick question but a sensible one.
Ray
Well, considering that the effects of the earthquake in Sichuan a few days
ago killed at least thirty thousand, possibly fifty thousand people, you
tell me. If that is too much to grasp, consider the 57 people killed by the
Northridge earthquake, or the 63 killed by the Loma Prieta earthquake. Or
the thousands killed by the tsunami in the Indian Ocean four years ago.
Or are you making a distinction between the danger posed by moving ground
and the dangers posed by the effects of that motion on structures,
hillsides, ocean water (tsunami), etc.?
Just out of idle curiosity, what in the name of wonder makes you think that
this is a sensible question, given the facts above (all of which made
headlines for weeks)?
He didn't ask if some earthquakes are dangerous, he asked if
earthquakes are dangerous. The vast majority of earthquakes are
not dangerous.
If it's not a trick question, it's a stupid one.
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************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen at (no spam) cox.net) *************
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| Tweaker... |
Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 3:00 pm |
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The chance of you being hurt or killed by ground movement alone is
quite small, much like the mental capacity of Hatunen. If you were in
the countryside, with nothing but grassland and sky, your chance of
being hurt by a temblor is small. It is the effect of the ground
movement on structures and other landforms that pose the problem.
Landslides and falling trees or rocks pose the biggest problem in the
open land. Buildings and bridges are a manmade problems that can
impose on your well being. One of the biggest problems with asking a
question in these newsgroups is the dumbshit responses from the ones
that know it all. They are legends in their own minds. Other responses
that are positive yet inquisitive will give you an insight of what is
needed when asking a question. I imagine your question might refer to
the chance of falling into a crevasse caused by a temblor. You have
that chance, but it is small..... very small. I hope this clears up
the question some. If not, feel free to ask more. |
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| David Oberman... |
Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 3:40 pm |
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Tweaker <GuessWho at (no spam) beachbum.cum> wrote:
Quote: The chance of you being hurt or killed by ground movement alone is
quite small, much like the mental capacity of Hatunen. If you were in
the countryside, with nothing but grassland and sky, your chance of
being hurt by a temblor is small. It is the effect of the ground
movement on structures and other landforms that pose the problem.
What's the old saying? "Earthquakes don't kill people -- people kill
earthquakes"?
And why are you picking on Dave?
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Wem meine Musik sich verständlich macht, der muß frei
werden von all dem Elend, womit sich die anderen schleppen.
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| Hatunen... |
Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 5:18 pm |
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On Fri, 16 May 2008 20:00:58 GMT, Tweaker <GuessWho at (no spam) beachbum.cum>
wrote:
Quote: The chance of you being hurt or killed by ground movement alone is
quite small, much like the mental capacity of Hatunen. If you were in
the countryside, with nothing but grassland and sky, your chance of
being hurt by a temblor is small. It is the effect of the ground
movement on structures and other landforms that pose the problem.
Landslides and falling trees or rocks pose the biggest problem in the
open land. Buildings and bridges are a manmade problems that can
impose on your well being. One of the biggest problems with asking a
question in these newsgroups is the dumbshit responses from the ones
that know it all. They are legends in their own minds. Other responses
that are positive yet inquisitive will give you an insight of what is
needed when asking a question. I imagine your question might refer to
the chance of falling into a crevasse caused by a temblor. You have
that chance, but it is small..... very small. I hope this clears up
the question some. If not, feel free to ask more.
If that was meant, it was indeed a trick question, right up there
with "Do guns kill people?" It was a dumbshit question intended
for the asker to be a show off.
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| Raymond... |
Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 10:30 am |
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Hi Guys
Sorry if I've offended anyone. I wasn't showing off or something.
Just that I read in Nat Geo that earthquakes themselves are not dangerous
but rather the things we built around us that make them dangerous.
I reckon the magazine implies that we tend to entirely blame nature but
ignoring the consequences of our actions. No more questions.
Thanks
Raymond
"Hatunen" <hatunen at (no spam) cox.net> wrote in message
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Quote: On Fri, 16 May 2008 23:50:46 +0800, "Raymond"
raymd at (no spam) singnet.com.sg> wrote:
Not a trick question but a sensible one.
Ray
95% or more are not dangerous.
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************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen at (no spam) cox.net) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
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| J. F. Cornwall... |
Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 11:34 am |
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Raymond wrote:
Quote: Not a trick question but a sensible one.
Ray
No. However, their effects can be. Like buildings falling on top of
you, bridges collapsing, bricks falling off of building onto the
sidewalk, and tsunamis. Little things like that which may be caused by
large enough quakes. But the quake itself, nah.
Jim |
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| Jo Schaper... |
Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 3:13 pm |
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J. F. Cornwall wrote:
Quote: Raymond wrote:
Not a trick question but a sensible one.
Ray
No. However, their effects can be. Like buildings falling on top of
you, bridges collapsing, bricks falling off of building onto the
sidewalk, and tsunamis. Little things like that which may be caused by
large enough quakes. But the quake itself, nah.
Jim
One caveat: in the 1811-1812 earthquakes, there were very few built
structures. People died on Mississippi from sloshing waves overcoming
boats, river banks capsizing and folks drowning, people/horses getting
mired in liquefied ground (quicksand) and toppling trees. Apparently a
number of people died in China from avalanches off mountainsides.
None of these are man-made structures. |
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| Jo Schaper... |
Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 3:14 pm |
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J. F. Cornwall wrote:
Quote: Raymond wrote:
Not a trick question but a sensible one.
Ray
No. However, their effects can be. Like buildings falling on top of
you, bridges collapsing, bricks falling off of building onto the
sidewalk, and tsunamis. Little things like that which may be caused by
large enough quakes. But the quake itself, nah.
Jim
On the other hand, more people died in the 1906 SF earthquake from the
resulting fire and explosions than the the actual quake or being struck
by falling objects. |
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Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 4:21 pm |
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On 2008-05-17 10:14:21 -1000, Jo Schaper <jo345sch765aper at (no spam) s9ocket.net> said:
Quote: J. F. Cornwall wrote:
Raymond wrote:
Not a trick question but a sensible one.
Ray
No. However, their effects can be. Like buildings falling on top of
you, bridges collapsing, bricks falling off of building onto the
sidewalk, and tsunamis. Little things like that which may be caused by
large enough quakes. But the quake itself, nah.
Jim
On the other hand, more people died in the 1906 SF earthquake from the
resulting fire and explosions than the the actual quake or being struck
by falling objects.
Actually, that is not so. We don't really know how many died in the SF
earthquake, perhaps around 3,000, but most of them were from building
collapses (the figure was hushed up; the official number was less than
a hundred). Most of the victims were Chinese in the poorly-constructed
hotels and houses South of Market. If they died in the fire it was
because rescuers could not get to them before the flames.
The fire itself was almost certainly exacerbated by the actions of the
Army, who tried to clear fire breaks with explosives, and so started
subsidiary fires. |
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| Hatunen... |
Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 10:04 pm |
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On Sat, 17 May 2008 11:21:40 -1000, Gerard Fryer wrote:
Quote: On 2008-05-17 10:14:21 -1000, Jo Schaper <jo345sch765aper at (no spam) s9ocket.net> said:
On the other hand, more people died in the 1906 SF earthquake from the
resulting fire and explosions than the the actual quake or being struck
by falling objects.
Actually, that is not so. We don't really know how many died in the SF
earthquake, perhaps around 3,000, but most of them were from building
collapses (the figure was hushed up; the official number was less than
a hundred). Most of the victims were Chinese in the poorly-constructed
hotels and houses South of Market. If they died in the fire it was
because rescuers could not get to them before the flames.
I think you need to emphasize "the figure was hushed up". The
city fathers didn't want to scare away investment for the
re-building and understated the total deaths and did their best
to make them seem to not be caused by the earthquake but rather
the fire.
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| J. F. Cornwall... |
Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 10:16 pm |
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Jo Schaper wrote:
Quote: J. F. Cornwall wrote:
Raymond wrote:
Not a trick question but a sensible one.
Ray
No. However, their effects can be. Like buildings falling on top of
you, bridges collapsing, bricks falling off of building onto the
sidewalk, and tsunamis. Little things like that which may be caused
by large enough quakes. But the quake itself, nah.
Jim
One caveat: in the 1811-1812 earthquakes, there were very few built
structures. People died on Mississippi from sloshing waves overcoming
boats, river banks capsizing and folks drowning, people/horses getting
mired in liquefied ground (quicksand) and toppling trees. Apparently a
number of people died in China from avalanches off mountainsides.
None of these are man-made structures.
True, but my list wasn't limited to manmade structures, they were just
some of the examples I also left out landslides, falling into
fissures, being shaken off the edge of a cliff, and many others.
Jim |
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