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Timberwoof...
Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 11:55 pm
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In article <482b926d$0$20166$4c368faf at (no spam) roadrunner.com>,
"Green Xenon [Radium]" <glucegen1 at (no spam) excite.com> wrote:

Quote:
JimLillie wrote:
Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
Abo wrote:
Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:

Also, wouldn't the one side of the world remain night while the
other side day if the earth's completely stopped moving?

If the Earth stopped rotating then you'd still have a cycle of light
and dark; you'd have a year-long day.



Why would there still be a dark/light cycle if the earth stopped
rotating? Why would it be a year long?

Sloppy question.
Which inertial frame 'Earth stopped moving'?

1. Solar: Earth swings around sun, facing it.
Light & dark sides.

2. Galactic: Earth swings around sun, facing center of galaxy.
Year-long day.

3. Extra-galactic: Earth stops while sun goes around galaxy.
Very dark.

4. Other ?

Jim Lillie


Ok. What would it take for there to be no dark/light cycle?

In the third episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation, young Wesley
Crusher fell over a barrier into some flowers. Those flowers were in an
Enforcement Zone that day, so Wesley was sentenced to a quick and
painless death. There's a lot to be said for that sort of thing.

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Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for
emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.
Timberwoof...
Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 11:57 pm
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In article
<13563c4e-4f8f-4561-b850-5c3d864cde36 at (no spam) d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
oriel36 <kelleher.gerald at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:
If the Earth stopped rotating you would lose your 'axial tilt'
explanation for seasonal variations in daylight/darkness which occur
anyway regardless of axial rotation and orientation.The seasonal
change arises from orbital motion along with the global variations in
the natural noon cycle when allied with axial rotation and using
natural noon as a benchmark.

You are, of course, free to make some diagrams that illustrate what
you're saying.

Quote:
Very rare that a large modification such as replacing variable axial
inclination with a new orbital component is allowed to drift as this
insight has,but it is done nonetheless and there for any person who
wishes to reason through the details.No person who truly grasps it
would dare pretend that the insight is not a huge departure from
previous' variable axial tilt' explanations or try to assimilate the
insight without regard for the enormous and sometimes painful effort
put in.

So in other words, you're poisoning the conversation by saying ahead of
time that anyone who disagrees with you is stupid. That's okay. You're
free to present convincing diagrams and measurements that back up your
preposterous claims.

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Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for
emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.
George...
Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 1:41 pm
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On May 15, 4:42 pm, sir.jpturc... at (no spam) neuf.fr wrote:
Quote:

We'd not have to read your ramblings
...
Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 6:46 pm
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On 16 mai, 01:41, George <gbl... at (no spam) hnpl.net> wrote:
Quote:
On May 15, 4:42 pm, sir.jpturc... at (no spam) neuf.fr wrote:

We'd not have to read your ramblings

I thought you were dead ole man ... how is your gout condition?
Worsening ?
Good !

Ramblings ? are you talking about the driving force spinning the Earth
into motion both axially & ecliptically ?
Clueless about that indeed ! ... as the rest Timberwood, Oriel etc
included

By the way have you as yet finished that backyard of yours '
mapping ?
I am waiting for that brown envelope from Cincinnati with all the data
in it ... I just want to know how many Glaaaacierzzz went over it
( your backyard ) through the different Glaaaciationzzz. Surely you
will find some moraines or rest of it ... everyone does all over the
world indeed !

With kindest regards to you Georgi Boi !

Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud


~ Ignorance is the Cosmic Sin, the One never Forgiven ~
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 9:22 pm
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It's been done. H.G. Wells: The Man Who Could Work Miracles

It also inspired a hilarious Donald Duck cartoon.
don findlay...
Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 1:44 pm
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Stuart wrote:

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On May 13, 3:08 pm, "Green Xenon [Radium]" <gluceg... at (no spam) excite.com
wrote:
Hi:

The 1st and obvious answer is that half the world would be night and the
other half would be day without change.

You're wrong already.

Quit while you're not ahead.

Stuart

(Woo, ..clever...) So how come a clever guy like you can't work out
the nonsenses in Plate Tectonics Stuart? Like the crust forcing the
mantle down subduction zones? Cos it's lighter? . (I mean
denser...) ...And floating. I mean sinking.
Mark McIntyre...
Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 2:53 pm
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don findlay wrote:
Quote:

Stuart wrote:

On May 13, 3:08 pm, "Green Xenon [Radium]" <gluceg... at (no spam) excite.com
wrote:
Hi:

The 1st and obvious answer is that half the world would be night and the
other half would be day without change.
You're wrong already.

Quit while you're not ahead.

Stuart

(Woo, ..clever...) So how come a clever guy like you can't work out
the nonsenses in Plate Tectonics Stuart? Like the crust forcing the
mantle down subduction zones? Cos it's lighter? . (I mean
denser...) ...And floating. I mean sinking.

Quick question - is crude oil denser or less dense than water? Then how
come it floats?
Timberwoof...
Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 6:49 pm
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In article <BUkYj.8922$ym1.943 at (no spam) en-nntp-09.am2.easynews.com>,
Mark McIntyre <markmcintyre at (no spam) spamcop.net> wrote:

Quote:
don findlay wrote:

Stuart wrote:

On May 13, 3:08 pm, "Green Xenon [Radium]" <gluceg... at (no spam) excite.com
wrote:
Hi:

The 1st and obvious answer is that half the world would be night and the
other half would be day without change.
You're wrong already.

Quit while you're not ahead.

Stuart

(Woo, ..clever...) So how come a clever guy like you can't work out
the nonsenses in Plate Tectonics Stuart? Like the crust forcing the
mantle down subduction zones? Cos it's lighter? . (I mean
denser...) ...And floating. I mean sinking.

Quick question - is crude oil denser or less dense than water? Then how
come it floats?

Oh! You gave the answer away!

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"When you post sewage, don't blame others for
emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.
rick++...
Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 6:53 am
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On May 13, 7:08 pm, "Green Xenon [Radium]" <gluceg... at (no spam) excite.com>
wrote:

Quote:
The 1st and obvious answer is that half the world would be night and the
other half would be day without change.

It depends on how you define "stopped spinning".
Technically in most gravitational systems the length of a spin slows
down to a length of a revolution with one day = one year.
Focucault's pendulum would still precess with a one year
cycle indicating there is still spinning going on.
oriel36...
Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 8:18 am
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On May 21, 6:53 pm, "rick++" <rick... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
On May 13, 7:08 pm, "Green Xenon [Radium]" <gluceg... at (no spam) excite.com
wrote:

The 1st and obvious answer is that half the world would be night and the
other half would be day without change.

It depends on how you define "stopped spinning".

Do you know when the wheels on your car stop turning/spinning/
moving.The guy had a good question if you can actually understand the
concept of a spinning Earth.

Do you know when sometimes you are outside you can see the stars and
at other times you can see a bright and shiny ball in the sky ,well
that is caused by a spinning Earth and if it stops spinning you get a
year long day of daylight and darkness.


Quote:
Technically in most gravitational systems the length of a spin slows
down to a length of a revolution with one day = one year.
Focucault's pendulum would still precess with a one year
cycle indicating there is still spinning going on.

Foucault's pendulum is based on axial rotation occuring beneath the
swiinging pendulum and at the poles,where the rotational forces
acting perpendicular to the rate of change is absent,the ground
registers a movement beneath the swinging pendulum of 24 hours 360
degrees,not a second more or a second less -

http://www.phys-astro.sonoma.edu/people/students/baker/SouthPoleFoucault.html

Considering that I have yet to meet an individual who is capable of
recognising rotational geodynamics involved in crustal geodynamics or
people who have an adult regard for physical considerations in
respect to astronomical,geological or climatological causes and
effects,people will have more regard for your erroneous response and
conclusion than they will for working through the physical effects to
come to a satisfactory conclusion.

Btw,you are not to blame,you are just doing what everyone else is.
oriel36...
Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 9:29 am
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On May 22, 9:34 am, josephus <dogb... at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
Quote:
oriel36 wrote:
On May 21, 6:53 pm, "rick++" <rick... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
On May 13, 7:08 pm, "Green Xenon [Radium]" <gluceg... at (no spam) excite.com
wrote:

The 1st and obvious answer is that half the world would be night and the
other half would be day without change.
It depends on how you define "stopped spinning".

Do you know when the wheels on your car stop turning/spinning/
moving.The guy had a good question if you can actually understand the
concept of a spinning Earth.

Do you know when sometimes you are outside you can see the stars and
at other times you can see a bright and shiny ball in the sky ,well
that is caused by a spinning Earth and if it stops spinning you get a
year long day of daylight and darkness.

Technically in most gravitational systems the length of a spin slows
down to a length of a revolution with one day = one year.
Focucault's pendulum would still precess with a one year
cycle indicating there is still spinning going on.

Foucault's pendulum is based on axial rotation occuring beneath the
swiinging pendulum and at the poles,where the  rotational forces
acting perpendicular to the rate of change is absent,the ground
registers a movement beneath the swinging pendulum of 24 hours 360
degrees,not a second more or a second less -

http://www.phys-astro.sonoma.edu/people/students/baker/SouthPoleFouca...

Considering that I have yet to meet an individual who is capable of
recognising rotational geodynamics involved in crustal geodynamics or
people who have an adult  regard for physical considerations in
respect to astronomical,geological or climatological causes and
effects,people will have more regard for your erroneous response and
conclusion than they will for working through the physical effects to
come to a satisfactory conclusion.

Btw,you are not to blame,you are just doing what everyone else

  that is stone cold OPAICK  word salad.   not even opaque.

josephus
--
I go sailing in the summer
and look at stars in the winter,
"Everybody is ignorant but on
different subjects"
    --Will Rogers
Its not what you know
that gets you in trouble
its what you know that ain so.
    --josh billings.- Hide quoted text -

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No wonder astronomy is in a poor state - there is not the slightest
sign that somebody actually enjoys working with the motions of the
Earth.Give credit where it is due,the follwing article more or
less,with a few minor errors,gets it right -

T"he plane of the swing of the pendulum bob is now independent of the
surface of the earth which was imparting a force to the bob before it
was released (through the holding point). As noted previously, the bob
is still spinning with the Earth (a spot of the bob will spin with the
Earth), even though the bob is no longer turning with the Earth. Thus
the Earth continues to turn underneath the swing of the pendulum while
the swing of the pendulum remains in a fixed plane that doesn't rotate
(turn)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diagrams_For_Foucault_Pendulum

At the North pole,where axial rotation is essentially absent,a person
technically experiences a day long year in terms of daylight and
darkness thereby determining that quite apart from axial rotation,a
location chnages its orientation a full 360 degrees with respect to
the central Sun.

If axial rotation ceased,the pendulum would act as though it were
located at the Equator at every latitudinal point between Equator and
pole.If axial rotation ceased,the Equator would also experience a year
long day in terms of daylight and darkness.

This stuff is just fun for me and I do not see why it does not provide
for a lively discussion.Perhaps the art of discussion has been lost
and all that exists are the complainers .
 
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