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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 4:11 am |
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I am a social studies teacher at a private school. I am currently
reviewing textbooks for an AP psychology class. I am having a
difficult time finding a book written from a Christian worldview. Does
any one have any suggestions?
Kind Regards,
Derek Spalla
Social Studies & Bible Teacher
Trinity Chapel Academy
dspalla at (no spam) trinitychapelacademy.com |
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| Day Brown... |
Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 9:52 pm |
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spallafamily at (no spam) gmail.com wrote:
Quote: I am a social studies teacher at a private school. I am currently
reviewing textbooks for an AP psychology class. I am having a
difficult time finding a book written from a Christian worldview. Does
any one have any suggestions?
They are mutually exclusive cosmologies. Christianity is based on the
struggle between good and evil. Science is based on the observation of a
myriad shades of gray, and what Christianity says is evil, the scientist
says is psychopathology.
The alternative to Christian is Aristotelean. Read his "Nicomachean
Ethics". http://classics.mit.edu/Aristotle/nicomachaen.html
The evildoer is not damned, but demented. |
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 12:57 pm |
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On May 10, 10:52 pm, Day Brown <daybr... at (no spam) hughes.net> wrote:
Quote: They are mutually exclusive cosmologies. Christianity is based on the
struggle between good and evil. Science is based on the observation of a
myriad shades of gray, and what Christianity says is evil, the scientist
says is psychopathology.
The alternative to Christian is Aristotelean. Read his "Nicomachean
Ethics".http://classics.mit.edu/Aristotle/nicomachaen.html
The evildoer is not damned, but demented.
Dear Day Brown,
Thanks for the reply. All of us have presuppositions. Its not wrong
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have them, just to deny that we have them. No matter what the subject,
we all approach it with a firm grip on our own presuppositions. A
Christian studying psychology should not deny his presuppositions,
only understand that he is looking through a different glass than
others may be looking through. I'm not here to debate,
just looking for a textbook. Thanks again for your reply.
Kind Regards,
Derek Spalla |
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| Chris Degnen... |
Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 1:49 am |
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Derek Spalla wrote:
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Thanks for the reply. All of us have presuppositions. Its not
wrong to have them, just to deny that we have them. No matter
what the subject, we all approach it with a firm grip on our
own presuppositions. ...
Actually the Cartesian paradigm shift specifically addressed this
aspect of scientific epistemology by doubting presuppositions.
You can read a couple of pages about it here:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/6pz3pr
"Let us consider, for example, the man who first posed, in a
paradigmatic way, the problem of knowledge and cognition in
more or less the form it has kept to our day, Descartes. ..."
His approach attempts to filter out presuppositions. |
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:36 am |
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Further to the post I just wrote, the full text of the section on the
Cartesian shift is presented in another work available here:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/4zuhx3 (pages 271-273)
Quote: Derek Spalla wrote:
Thanks for the reply. All of us have presuppositions. Its not
wrong to have them, just to deny that we have them. No matter
what the subject, we all approach it with a firm grip on our
own presuppositions. ...
Actually the Cartesian paradigm shift specifically addressed this
aspect of scientific epistemology by doubting presuppositions.
You can read a couple of pages about it here:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/6pz3pr
"Let us consider, for example, the man who first posed, in a
paradigmatic way, the problem of knowledge and cognition in
more or less the form it has kept to our day, Descartes. ..."
His approach attempts to filter out presuppositions. |
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:00 pm |
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Hmmm...interesting, but isn't he presupposing evil?
"I must therefore", he wrote, "take into account the possibility that
heaven and earth, all forms in space, are nothing but illusions and
fantasies used by an evil spirit to trap my credulity..."
Quote: Actually the Cartesian paradigm shift specifically addressed this
aspect of scientific epistemology by doubting presuppositions.
You can read a couple of pages about it here:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/6pz3pr
"Let us consider, for example, the man who first posed, in a
paradigmatic way, the problem of knowledge and cognition in
more or less the form it has kept to our day, Descartes. ..."
His approach attempts to filter out presuppositions. |
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| Chris Degnen... |
Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 2:18 am |
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Derek Spalla wrote:
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Actually the Cartesian paradigm shift specifically addressed this
aspect of scientific epistemology by doubting presuppositions.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/4zuhx3
Hmmm...interesting, but isn't he presupposing evil?
"I must therefore", he wrote, "take into account the possibility
that heaven and earth, all forms in space, are nothing but illusions
and fantasies used by an evil spirit to trap my credulity..."
I think that's a poetic aside to the point that is more along the line
of "appearances can be deceiving".
Speaking of which, that is of course a significant theme in Buddhism:
the idea that the perceived world is illusory (Samsara).
A couple of quotables for instance:-
"Whatever we imagine it turns to be otherwise." - from the orthodox
Theravada canon MN III, 103: http://preview.tinyurl.com/6frz5y
And from the Mahayana Lankavatara Sutra:
"A world of multitudes is ... a mirage; ... only an appearance to
people." http://lirs.ru/do/lanka_eng/lanka-nondiacritical.htm#95
I've been trying to think of a parallel in Christianity but could only
think of Christ's temptation in the wilderness.
You could imagine Descartes refusing to be budged by illusion after
illusion, letting go of anything he depends on, like the birds that
don't worry about tomorrow. |
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 10:58 am |
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On May 14, 8:18 am, Chris Degnen <tilt... at (no spam) windmills.freeserve.co.uk>
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Quote: I think that's a poetic aside to the point that is more along the line
of "appearances can be deceiving".
Speaking of which, that is of course a significant theme in Buddhism:
the idea that the perceived world is illusory (Samsara).
A couple of quotables for instance:-
"Whatever we imagine it turns to be otherwise." - from the orthodox
Theravada canon MN III, 103:http://preview.tinyurl.com/6frz5y
And from the Mahayana Lankavatara Sutra:
"A world of multitudes is ... a mirage; ... only an appearance to
people." http://lirs.ru/do/lanka_eng/lanka-nondiacritical.htm#95
I've been trying to think of a parallel in Christianity but could only
think of Christ's temptation in the wilderness.
You could imagine Descartes refusing to be budged by illusion after
illusion, letting go of anything he depends on, like the birds that
don't worry about tomorrow.
I think I understand where Descartes and the other quotes are coming
from. My perspective and experiences are different. I believe that God
created man, and therefore the mind of man, so it only makes sense to
study psychology from God's perspective or a Christian worldview. For
me, psychology and the Christian worldview are not opposed to one
another, but fit together naturally. Of course science cannot prove
ultimate origins. For something to be good science it must be
observable, repeatable, and measurable. So the subject of ultimate
origins, from whatever worldview is chosen, cannot be substantiated.
No matter which worldview we choose, whether Christian or that
everything is illusionary, takes some degree of faith. From my view,
it takes more faith to believe what Descartes is proposing than it
does to believe in Creationism. |
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 11:56 am |
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Derek Spalla wrote:
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... For something to be good science it must be observable,
repeatable, and measurable. So the subject of ultimate
origins, from whatever worldview is chosen, cannot be
substantiated.
From my view, it takes more faith to believe what Descartes
is proposing than it does to believe in Creationism.
You mean Descartes' scepticism is implausible. Nevertheless
he pulls his knowledge back to the least or only thing he thinks
he can be sure of. He doesn't speculate on what founds his
existence.
Quote: No matter which worldview we choose, whether Christian or
that everything is illusionary, takes some degree of faith.
Belief or radical scepticism, is that the choice? The sciences
accept statistical significance, but proof is preferred. For
inspiration belief in extraterrestrial life or ESP is fine. |
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 12:08 pm |
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On May 14, 5:55 pm, dank <d... at (no spam) nugget.org> wrote:
Quote: Psychology and religion are very similar in that both are unscientific
and both seek to control people's minds. It is uncommon to find a
psychologist who incorporates religious ideology, but more common to
find religionists who incorporate psychological babble to give their
religious crap an air of pseudoscientific authority.
Dear Dank,
Thank you for your perspective. Just because something is uncommon
doesn't mean I should so easily dismiss it. Also, I would not
categorize psychology as a discipline that wants to control the mind,
but instead seeks to understand the mind. For myself, I wish only to
control my own mind, or better yet, I am seeking the mind of
Jesus...but I think I'm digressing a bit. I think you are selling
psychology and all faiths pretty short with your comments. |
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 12:24 pm |
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On May 14, 5:56 pm, Chris Degnen <tilt... at (no spam) windmills.freeserve.co.uk>
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Quote: You mean Descartes' scepticism is implausible. Nevertheless
he pulls his knowledge back to the least or only thing he thinks
he can be sure of. He doesn't speculate on what founds his
existence.
No matter which worldview we choose, whether Christian or
that everything is illusionary, takes some degree of faith.
Belief or radical scepticism, is that the choice? The sciences
accept statistical significance, but proof is preferred. For
inspiration belief in extraterrestrial life or ESP is fine.
Dear Chris,
Let me try to refine what I mean. I do not believe that Descartes'
skepticism is implausible. I think what I mean is that skepticism is a
choice that Descartes and others will make. For me it is no different
than choosing to be a Christian. For Descartes, I think, skepticism
may have been his faith. Certainly belief and radical skepticism are
not the only choices. There are a myriad of choices...maybe some more
plausible than others...as seen from our particular worldview...which
brings us full circle I think...lol.
I agree that with the sciences we can and should accept statistical
significance, and that proof is preferred. My point would be that a
scientist performing an experiment has presuppositions that will play
a part in how the data is interpreted.
Maybe with Descartes, radical skepticism became his presupposition?
From a scientific perspective, I would have to say that the existence
of ETs are possible, because at this point, we cannot be every where
in the universe at the same time; so their existence is possible. I do
not believe in ETs, but from a scientific view I have to say that they
may exist. It goes back to the basics of science...observable,
repeatable, and measurable. |
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 4:55 pm |
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spallafamily at (no spam) gmail.com wrote...
Quote: I am a social studies teacher at a private school. I am currently
reviewing textbooks for an AP psychology class. I am having a
difficult time finding a book written from a Christian worldview. Does
any one have any suggestions?
Psychology and religion are very similar in that both are unscientific
and both seek to control people's minds. It is uncommon to find a
psychologist who incorporates religious ideology, but more common to
find religionists who incorporate psychological babble to give their
religious crap an air of pseudoscientific authority. |
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 9:25 pm |
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Derek Spalla wrote:
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... so it only makes sense to study psychology from
God's perspective
If God's mind is impartial and serene knowing it wouldn't
change any of the good psychology textbooks out there. |
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 12:53 am |
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On May 15, 3:25 am, Chris Degnen <tilt... at (no spam) windmills.freeserve.co.uk>
wrote:
Quote: Derek Spalla wrote:
... so it only makes sense to study psychology from
God's perspective
If God's mind is impartial and serene knowing it wouldn't
change any of the good psychology textbooks out there.
Maybe it's not God who is wrong, but man... |
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 1:53 am |
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Derek Spalla wrote:
Quote: Chris Degnen wrote:
Derek Spalla wrote:
... so it only makes sense to study psychology from
God's perspective
If God's mind is impartial and serene knowing it wouldn't
change any of the good psychology textbooks out there.
Maybe it's not God who is wrong, but man...
"Whatever we imagine it turns to be otherwise." MN 3, 113 |
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