Hi,

I have a problem in understanding the exact meaning of
"connected" in
the phrase "connected discourse" or "connected narrative" in the
following sentences.

I think "connected discourse" is a common phrase in linguistics,
but
I haven 't found an equivalent in Italian.



As reviewed in previous chapters, there is now a wealth of
evidence
showing that when adults process a CONNECTED NARRATIVE, they
construct - in their imagination - a mental model of the
narrative
situation being described.

(.)



In the course of language development, children increasingly
need to
construct a situation model, not just when they listen to a
prototypical narrative in the form of a story, but whenever they
encounter CONNECTED DISCOURSE whose deictic centre is displaced
from
the here and now.

(.)



My proposal for the puzzling emergence of pretend play in young
children is that the cognitive capacity that underpins pretend
play -
the capacity to construct a situation model - is an endowment
that
enables children to understand and eventually produce CONNECTED
DISCOURSE about non-current episodes.



Does "connected" in this context mean "coherent", in the sense
that
there is a relation between the meanings of the various
sentences
that make up a discourse or a narrative, although there may be
no
explicit morphological or syntactic connections? For example, a
person might say: "Elections will take place next Sunday in
Italy".
Another person may comment: "Schools will reopen on Tuesday".
Although there is no explicit connection between the two
sentences,
an Italian citizen will understand that schools will be closed
until
Tuesday because schools serve as polling stations in Italy.
Would
this be an example of "connected discourse"



Alternatively, does "connected" refer to a text in which
explicit
connections are present , thus being its meaning more similar to
"cohesion" than to "coherence"? For example, "Elections will
take
place next Sunday in Italy". "THEREFORE, schools will reopen on
Tuesday".



I was thinking of translating "connected discourse" into Italian
as
"discorso coerente" (coherent discourse); but I also came across
"discorso continuato" (continuous discourse) and "discorso
connesso".
Actually, "connesso" literally means "connected", but it is used
mainly in technical language or in phrases like "strettamente
connesso con" ("closely connected with"); as a matter of fact,
in
Italian there is the word "sconnesso" - disconnected - which
also
means "lacking in logical connection", but its opposite
"connesso"
sounds a bit odd to me in this context ..



Thank you very much indeed for any hint!

Kind regards

Alberto

alberto wrote:

Hi,

I have a problem in understanding the exact meaning of
"connected" in
the phrase "connected discourse" or "connected narrative" in the
following sentences.

I think "connected discourse" is a common phrase in linguistics,
but
I haven 't found an equivalent in Italian.



As reviewed in previous chapters, there is now a wealth of
evidence
showing that when adults process a CONNECTED NARRATIVE, they
construct - in their imagination - a mental model of the
narrative
situation being described.

(.)



In the course of language development, children increasingly
need to
construct a situation model, not just when they listen to a
prototypical narrative in the form of a story, but whenever they
encounter CONNECTED DISCOURSE whose deictic centre is displaced
from
the here and now.

(.)



My proposal for the puzzling emergence of pretend play in young
children is that the cognitive capacity that underpins pretend
play -
the capacity to construct a situation model - is an endowment
that
enables children to understand and eventually produce CONNECTED
DISCOURSE about non-current episodes.



Does "connected" in this context mean "coherent", in the sense
that
there is a relation between the meanings of the various
sentences
that make up a discourse or a narrative, although there may be
no
explicit morphological or syntactic connections? For example, a
person might say: "Elections will take place next Sunday in
Italy".
Another person may comment: "Schools will reopen on Tuesday".
Although there is no explicit connection between the two
sentences,
an Italian citizen will understand that schools will be closed
until
Tuesday because schools serve as polling stations in Italy.
Would
this be an example of "connected discourse"



Alternatively, does "connected" refer to a text in which
explicit
connections are present , thus being its meaning more similar to
"cohesion" than to "coherence"? For example, "Elections will
take
place next Sunday in Italy". "THEREFORE, schools will reopen on
Tuesday".



I was thinking of translating "connected discourse" into Italian
as
"discorso coerente" (coherent discourse); but I also came across
"discorso continuato" (continuous discourse) and "discorso
connesso".
Actually, "connesso" literally means "connected", but it is used
mainly in technical language or in phrases like "strettamente
connesso con" ("closely connected with"); as a matter of fact,
in
Italian there is the word "sconnesso" - disconnected - which
also
means "lacking in logical connection", but its opposite
"connesso"
sounds a bit odd to me in this context ..



Thank you very much indeed for any hint!

Kind regards

Alberto


Alberto:

I feel your pain. Garden-variety logic won't be of much help here.
Ekkehard
Dengler would be someone you would want to listen to on the
question.

Regards,

Edward Hennessey

Hi Edward,
Thanks for your empathy!
Forgive my ignorance, who is Ekkehard
Dengler and where could I contact him?
Regards
Alberto

Alberto wrote:
Hi Edward,
Thanks for your empathy!
Forgive my ignorance, who is Ekkehard
Dengler and where could I contact him?
Regards
Alberto

A:

He is probably just putting on his cape.

Edward Hennessey wrote:

Alberto wrote:

Hi Edward,
Thanks for your empathy!
Forgive my ignorance, who is Ekkehard
Dengler and where could I contact him?
Regards
Alberto

A:

He is probably just putting on his cape.


You mean "thinking cap".

Hi Alberto,

I'm not quite sure, but judging from the context and the Google results for
"connected discourse", I don't think "connected" refers to any particular
semantic properties. I would say its meaning is probably closer to
"continuous" than to "coherent". Not that the two are mutually exclusive. I
suppose the author is basically talking about the kind of utterance that
might be prefaced with "You'll never guess what happened to me yesterday".

Regards,
Ekkehard

Ekkehard Dengler wrote:

Thanks for your help!

I’m still a bit torn between the two interpretations: on the one
hand, I am by no means sure that “coherent” is the right choice, on
the other, I am not completely convinced of interpreting “connected”
as “continuous”

wouldn't this be somehow redundant?

After all, a
discourse and a narrative are by definition - or at least should be –
a continuous whole….

Moreover, in the book I’m translating, the
author says that autistic children find it difficult to engage in
“connected discourse” (sorry, maybe I should have included also this
one in the examples I quoted…). I seem to remember that autistic
children can produce a series of
sentences – a discourse – but, due to a pragmatic disorder, their
discourse is often not connected with that of their partner…

Hi,

I have a problem in understanding the exact meaning of "connected" in the
phrase "connected discourse" or "connected narrative" in the following
sentences.

Intrigued by that seemingly simple sentence,

Hi,

I have a problem in understanding the exact meaning of "connected" in
the phrase "connected discourse" or "connected narrative" in the
following sentences.

I think "connected discourse" is a common phrase in linguistics, but
I haven 't found an equivalent in Italian.



As reviewed in previous chapters, there is now a wealth of evidence
showing that when adults process a CONNECTED NARRATIVE, they
construct - in their imagination - a mental model of the narrative
situation being described.

(.)



In the course of language development, children increasingly need to
construct a situation model, not just when they listen to a
prototypical narrative in the form of a story, but whenever they
encounter CONNECTED DISCOURSE whose deictic centre is displaced from
the here and now.

(.)



My proposal for the puzzling emergence of pretend play in young
children is that the cognitive capacity that underpins pretend play -
the capacity to construct a situation model - is an endowment that
enables children to understand and eventually produce CONNECTED
DISCOURSE about non-current episodes.



Does "connected" in this context mean "coherent", in the sense that
there is a relation between the meanings of the various sentences
that make up a discourse or a narrative, although there may be no
explicit morphological or syntactic connections? For example, a
person might say: "Elections will take place next Sunday in Italy".
Another person may comment: "Schools will reopen on Tuesday".
Although there is no explicit connection between the two sentences,
an Italian citizen will understand that schools will be closed until
Tuesday because schools serve as polling stations in Italy. Would
this be an example of "connected discourse"



Alternatively, does "connected" refer to a text in which explicit
connections are present , thus being its meaning more similar to
"cohesion" than to "coherence"? For example, "Elections will take
place next Sunday in Italy". "THEREFORE, schools will reopen on
Tuesday".



I was thinking of translating "connected discourse" into Italian as
"discorso coerente" (coherent discourse); but I also came across
"discorso continuato" (continuous discourse) and "discorso connesso".
Actually, "connesso" literally means "connected", but it is used
mainly in technical language or in phrases like "strettamente
connesso con" ("closely connected with"); as a matter of fact, in
Italian there is the word "sconnesso" - disconnected - which also
means "lacking in logical connection", but its opposite "connesso"
sounds a bit odd to me in this context ..



Thank you very much indeed for any hint!

Kind regards

Alberto

Edward Hennessey wrote:
Alberto wrote:
Hi Edward,
Thanks for your empathy!
Forgive my ignorance, who is Ekkehard
Dengler and where could I contact him?
Regards
Alberto

A:

He is probably just putting on his cape.

You mean "thinking cap".

Hi Alberto,

I'm not quite sure, but judging from the context and the Google
results for "connected discourse", I don't think "connected" refers
to any particular semantic properties. I would say its meaning is
probably closer to "continuous" than to "coherent". Not that the two
are mutually exclusive. I suppose the author is basically talking
about the kind of utterance that might be prefaced with "You'll never
guess what happened to me yesterday".

Regards,
Ekkehard