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Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 12:52 am
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Please forgive us for any disturbance, but we have an important
subject
to address to you regarding FAITH, and we Don't intend to overload
your email with unnecessary messages


The name Allah (God) in Islam is the personal name of God. The most
concise definition of God in Islam is given in four verses of Surah Al-
Ikhlaas in the Holy Qur'an:
{{1. Say (O Muhammad): "He is Allâh, (the) One.
2. "Allâh-us-Samad (The Self-Sufficient Master, Whom all creatures
need, He neither eats nor drinks).
3. "He begetteth not not, nor is He begotten;
4. "And there is none Like unto Him.}} (Holy Qur'an 112: 1-4).
To Muslims, this four-line definition of Almighty God serves as the
touchstone of the study of God. Any candidate to divinity must be
subjected to this ‘acid test' and since the attributes of The Creator
given in this chapter are unique, false gods and pretenders to
divinity can be easily dismissed using these verses.



i) The first criterion is «"Say, He is Allah, one and only". »
Can there be more than one god? This verse tells us that The Creator
is the only one who has total and absolute power, unique in His names
and attributes.
ii) The second criterion is, «'Allah is absolute and eternal’»
The word that is translated as “The Eternal, Absolute” from Arabic is
something that can be attributed only to The Creator as all the other
existent beings temporal or conditional??. It also means that Allah is
not dependant on any person or thing, but all persons and things are
dependant on Him.
iii) The third criterion is «‘He begets not, nor is He begotten’».
This means God was not born, nor does He give birth and share his
divinity with others. Nor does He have a family or relationship with
another being.
(iv) The fourth test, - which is the most stringent - is, «"There is
none like unto Him". »
The moment you can imagine or compare ‘God’ to anything, then he (the
candidate to divinity) is not God. It is not possible to conjure up a
mental picture of the One True God because of the simple fact, as
creation, we only know creation.
The Muslims prefer calling the Supreme Creator, 'Allah', instead of
the English word ‘God’. The Arabic word, ‘Allah’, is pure and unique,
unlike the English word ‘God’, which can be played around with. For
example, If you add ‘s’ to the word God, it becomes ‘Gods’, that is
the plural of God. Allah is one and singular, there is no plural of
Allah. If you add the word ‘father’ to ‘God’ it becomes ‘God-father’.
God-father means someone who is a guardian. There is no word like
‘Allah-father’. If you add the word ‘mother’ to ‘God’, it becomes ‘God-
mother’. There is nothing like ‘Allah-mother’ in Islam. Allah is a
unique word, which does not conjure up any mental picture nor can it
be played around with. Therefore, the Muslims prefer using the Arabic
word ‘Allah’ for the Almighty.
z...
Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 8:24 am
Guest
On May 8, 6:52 am, truth <truth.wa... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:
The Muslims prefer calling the Supreme Creator, 'Allah', instead of
the English word ‘God’. The Arabic word, ‘Allah’, is pure and unique,
unlike the English word ‘God’, which can be played around with.  For
example, If you add ‘s’ to the word God, it becomes ‘Gods’, that is
the plural of God. Allah is one and singular, there is no plural of
Allah. If you add the word ‘father’ to ‘God’ it becomes ‘God-father’.
God-father means someone who is a guardian. There is no word like
‘Allah-father’. If you add the word ‘mother’ to ‘God’, it becomes ‘God-
mother’. There is nothing like ‘Allah-mother’ in Islam. Allah is a
unique word, which does not conjure up any mental picture nor can it
be played around with. Therefore, the Muslims prefer using the Arabic
word ‘Allah’ for the Almighty.

allah-bama?
Autymn D. C....
Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 2:21 am
Guest
On May 8, 3:54 am, truth <truth.wa... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
The name Allah (God) in Islam is the personal name of God. The most

No, it's not the personal name of God. (Neither is "God" or "Jahweh":
http://google.com/groups?q=falsify-Judaism-and-Kristianity.) al-lah
means the-god, where there may be many lahin. Islam/Mu even got the
name of Krist wrong. (As did Kristianity.) If one looks throuh
dictionaries, the native names for a generic god are much alik
demonstrative nouns or enclitic positionals.

Quote:
concise definition of God in Islam is given in four verses of Surah Al-
Ikhlaas in the Holy Qur'an:
{{1. Say (O Muhammad): "He is Allâh, (the) One.
2. "Allâh-us-Samad (The Self-Sufficient Master, Whom all creatures
need, He neither eats nor drinks).
3. "He begetteth not not, nor is He begotten;
4. "And there is none Like unto Him.}} (Holy Qur'an 112: 1-4).
To Muslims, this four-line definition of Almighty God serves as the
touchstone of the study of God. Any candidate to divinity must be
subjected to this ‘acid test' and since the attributes of The Creator
given in this chapter are unique, false gods and pretenders to
divinity can be easily dismissed using these verses.

http://google.com/groups?q=Autymn+God+fast-food

Quote:
i) The first criterion is «"Say, He is Allah, one and only". »
Can there be more than one god? This verse tells us that The Creator
is the only one who has total and absolute power, unique in His names
and attributes.

One with total and absolute power makes and works evil as well, and
denies personal responsibility or duty.

Quote:
ii) The second criterion is, «'Allah is absolute and eternal’»
The word that is translated as “The Eternal, Absolute” from Arabic is
something that can be attributed only to The Creator as all the other
existent beings temporal or conditional??. It also means that Allah is
not dependant on any person or thing, but all persons and things are
dependant on Him.

Anything is eternal: http://google.com/groups?q=Autymn+eternity+long.

Quote:
iii) The third criterion is «‘He begets not, nor is He begotten’».
This means God was not born, nor does He give birth and share his
divinity with others. Nor does He have a family or relationship with
another being.
(iv) The fourth test, - which is the most stringent - is, «"There is
none like unto Him". »
The moment you can imagine or compare ‘God’ to anything, then he (the
candidate to divinity) is not God. It is not possible to conjure up a
mental picture of the One True God because of the simple fact, as
creation, we only know creation.

Your comment contradicts the no-begetting of iii. One cannot make
anything without origin, where this origin would be God. So any of
its creations must be its bearing. Is Allah pantheos or panentheos?

Quote:
The Muslims prefer calling the Supreme Creator, 'Allah', instead of
the English word ‘God’. The Arabic word, ‘Allah’, is pure and unique,
unlike the English word ‘God’, which can be played around with. For
example, If you add ‘s’ to the word God, it becomes ‘Gods’, that is
the plural of God. Allah is one and singular, there is no plural of
Allah. If you add the word ‘father’ to ‘God’ it becomes ‘God-father’.

I can't read Arabic, but Google Translate has entries for "god/God",
"gods/Gods", "one god", "two gods", and "three gods".

Quote:
God-father means someone who is a guardian. There is no word like
‘Allah-father’. If you add the word ‘mother’ to ‘God’, it becomes ‘God-
mother’. There is nothing like ‘Allah-mother’ in Islam. Allah is a
unique word, which does not conjure up any mental picture nor can it
be played around with. Therefore, the Muslims prefer using the Arabic
word ‘Allah’ for the Almighty.

I could tell from the UAE chatters on flickr how often words or
interjections with allah or its derivativs come up in threads for the
most tame or lame topics, and from those can deem their utter
witlesness, delusion, and insanity. God/De/The/Bog/El/Lah is a
sickness, a lige, and a paranoid delusion. If there were one God,
there would be one name, one faith, one religion, and one holy book.
Rather, God is in your head only.

-Aut
Benj...
Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 6:20 am
Guest
On May 9, 8:21 am, "Autymn D. C." <lysde... at (no spam) sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Quote:
If there were one God,
there would be one name, one faith, one religion, and one holy book.
Rather, God is in your head only.

Humans are SO funny! And Autymn Womyn is the best of the lot! Hey,
Aut, God is in YOUR head only when you forget your tinfoil helmet and
those mind control rays get in!

But Aut has an excuse. She is nuts. The rest of you have none. Humans
get told stories by advanced beings about the nature of things
including the force behind all nature which has been termed "God" and
their puny intellects get all confused trying to fit it all to their
concepts of things to how things actually are. The funniest of these
is the concept of "God" as some old guy with a long beard "living in
the sky"! BWAHAHAhahaha!

Look at how they confused the few concepts they were given! God is
all-knowing, all-seeing, everywhere, all-powerful, has no beginning
nor end and "created" everything! Now just TRY to logically align
those concepts with that of an old man with a beard in the sky! Total
nonsense. It's no WONDER so many physicists think they are atheists.
Even though atheism flies in the face of the data, at least it has a
logical core!

So just what does the hint "in Him and through Him you have your
being" imply? First off God can't be an old guy. Being a "guy" would
mean that God is separate from the rest of creation and that isn't
possible by our premise. Next he can't be "old" because there is no
beginning nor end. In short God MUST exist outside of time. [Note too
that this implies the so-called "Big Bang" is typical human bullshit]
The ONLY logical way one can reconcile the characteristics given for
God with what which we know of our world is to assume that the ENTIRE
UNIVERSE, WITH EVERYTHING IN IT, INCLUDING ALL THE LAWS AND PRINCIPLES
UNDER WHICH IT OPERATES is God! This is in effect what atheists
assume. But they don't go far enough.

But there is one more piece of data. Mystics assert that not only is
"all creation" God, but that there is one thing more. Namely, that
this large matrix, this enormous and diverse system that constitutes
all non-void items, ALSO at the same time is a LIVING BEING in the
same sense that you and I are living beings. In other words that vast
collection of objects and creatures known as creation ITSELF forms a
living self-aware entity. And therefore in the same way that you are
aware of your bodily parts and what they are up to, God is aware of
HIS [Though obviously this is a misuse of terminology as all of
creation is not of one sex or the other] body. It's only logical.
Hence from our viewpoint God is all-knowing. Of course you and I as
single cells in the "body of God" can't have ANY concept of those
things outside his body which God might not know! But wait, there is
more. Many assert that this communication can occur in BOTH
DIRECTIONS!

This is where mystics assert that communications can be received from
the creation matrix if one simply takes time to "listen to the small
still voice within". Is such a theory more human fantasy like the
bearded guy in the sky? Well, it COULD be, but the proof of the
pudding, would obviously be what kind of information is purported to
come through? That would be the true test. OF course logically one
has to assume that this communication would be a lot like you or I
communicating with an ant. The ant would be hard pressed to understand
the concepts we might touch upon. Nevertheless I"m sure that if we
made an effort to speak down to the ant level, the ant could soon
become quite impressed that we somehow possessed much more advanced
knowledge than they do even if most of our concepts are "over their
heads" so to speak.

The problem here with religion is that when humans receive a few hints
about the nature of highly advanced physics, they DO sense the
advanced nature of the information. But that doesn't last long. Soon
other generations come along and turn those advanced hints into stupid
dogma with strange literal interpretations of words that were meant to
describe something totally different from the ideas finally ascribed
to them! This in no way negates the original science. It only indicts
mankind as a weaver of wild stories from a creative but illogical
mind.

So "religious intellects" argue over just how "God" can be a
"trinity"? How can God be one God and yet each of "his" three parts
are God too? Cripes, this is a tough one! I mean it's like having a
HUGE discussion over how three bananas can each be a banana and yet
all three together can still be only ONE BUNCH! Who can understand
it? Right?

So in the end we have these stupid SPAM posts as dogmatists on one
side argue with the equally dogmatic 'believers" on the other side.
Nowhere is anyone trying to find the data or the logic that MIGHT be
hidden there. It's no wonder science, let alone religion, is in such
a mess today.

so be it. Om.
Autymn D. C....
Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 1:45 am
Guest
Shut the hell up, hýpergrafic cretin. Celerity and quantal encrýption
kill God-panentheos.
Benj...
Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 7:32 pm
Guest
Autymn D. C. wrote:
Quote:
Shut the hell up, h�pergrafic cretin. Celerity and quantal encr�ption
kill God-panentheos.

Don't forget the baby-fat candles for the full moon meeting! (assuming
Nurse Ratched lets you out!)
Autymn D. C....
Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 6:51 am
Guest
On May 10, 10:32 pm, Benj <bjac... at (no spam) iwaynet.net> wrote:
Quote:
Autymn D. C. wrote:
Shut the hell up, h�pergrafic cretin.  Celerity and quantal encr�ption
kill God-panentheos.

Don't forget the baby-fat candles for the full moon meeting! (assuming
Nurse Ratched lets you out!)

You mean You out.
Autymn D. C....
Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 1:49 pm
Guest
On May 9, 5:21 am, "Autymn D. C." <lysde... at (no spam) sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Quote:
On May 8, 3:54 am, truth <truth.wa... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

The name Allah (God) in Islam is the personal name of God. The most

No, it's not the personal name of God.  (Neither is "God" or "Jahweh":http://google.com/groups?q=falsify-Judaism-and-Kristianity.)

What in the hell is wrong with you, Google Groups? You keep breakin
my links. Now I'll need to transref my old link to
http://google.com/groups?q=Autymn+falsify+Jah.
Vince Morgan...
Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 4:06 am
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"truth" <truth.way42 at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:9d04b2d3-d5a4-4585-8204-289e4832748b at (no spam) a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

Quote:
the English word ‘God’. The Arabic word, ‘Allah’, is pure and unique,
unlike the English word ‘God’, which can be played around with.

Mohammad's father's name was,,, ready,,, Allah!!!! Or "Al Illah" the full
form of the name.
In fact the family's (That is Mohammad's family) personal God's name was,,,
yes,, you got it, "Al Illah" loooooong before Mohammed came along.
There is NOTHING unique about Allah.
Unique???? Crap!!
Vince Morgan...
Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 4:09 am
Guest
"truth" <truth.way42 at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:9d04b2d3-d5a4-4585-8204-289e4832748b at (no spam) a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
I dislike this garbage so very much that I think I'll start posting some
interesting stuff about Islam in Muslim groups.
I wonder if they will be as gracious about it as others are of them. I
wouldn't bet my left,,, err,, right,, errr, anything on that being the case.
 
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