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| Ed Chait... |
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Quote: HOGWASH. A horse has no idea what is in a human's mind. There is no such
thing as a mean horse!
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I don't agree with you on either count. I could give personal examples,
but I won't. Horses, along with other animals can sense a person's
emotions, including fear. There are mean people, and there are mean
horses. I'm not blaming anybody or anything. It just is.
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Absolutely.
In addition, you can be the greatest parent in the world and your kids can
have all sorts of behavioral problems. Same with dogs and any other animal
that possesses an individual personality.
I have never met a mean snail, however.
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| Barbara Carlson... |
| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 9:01 am |
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I have owned probably a couple of hundred horses or more over my lifetime
and I've never owned or met a mean one. I have met some dumb ones, though,
and a few who were positively geniuses. But, I know of no one who breeds
horses to be mean or fight.
Dogs, on the other hand, can be bred to be mean, though there are lots of
pit bulls out there that make wonderful family dogs. In our area we get old
used-up pit bulls, mostly females as "drop offs" and not a single one has
ever shown signs of aggression. Shy, scared, yes, but not mean. It breaks
my heart.
Barb C.
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HOGWASH. A horse has no idea what is in a human's mind. There is no such
thing as a mean horse!
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I don't agree with you on either count. I could give personal examples,
but I won't. Horses, along with other animals can sense a person's
emotions, including fear. There are mean people, and there are mean
horses. I'm not blaming anybody or anything. It just is.
--
Kathy
www.ambergriscaye.com/villadelsol
Absolutely.
In addition, you can be the greatest parent in the world and your kids can
have all sorts of behavioral problems. Same with dogs and any other
animal that possesses an individual personality.
I have never met a mean snail, however.
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| Jeannie... |
| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 9:46 am |
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Quote: I am petrified of horses. They know it and are mean to me. :)
I am speechless... well, not quite. HOGWASH. A horse has no idea what
is in a human's mind. There is no such thing as a mean horse! There are
spoiled, unmannered horses the same as there are spoiled brat kids and
untrained dogs.
Dont' blame it on the horses, kids, or dogs. The fault lies in the
owners or parents.
I don't agree with that at all. Animals can sense fear, anger, excitement,
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| Blupencl... |
| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 1:48 pm |
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I certainly agree with this - but it is behavioral signals they're
getting, probably. I can't think they could actually read our minds, but
they do know if you are scared because signals and body language they're
reading. Oh yeah. If you don't believe it, watch one horse with a
tentative rider and then watch it with a confident rider. There is all
the difference in the world.
One of my biggest thrills ever was in dressage, learning how to stop a
horse with my brain. I love that!
"I don't agree with that at all. Animals can sense fear, anger,
excitement,
etc. and react upon it. It has nothing to due with them being
unmannered."
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| RaeMorrill... |
| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 4:38 pm |
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I think most animals can seem to read our minds or close to it because
they are much more attuned to our body language than we are to theirs -
unless we make the effort to learn and observe. You can watch an alpha
horse move another horse with a look, pinned ears, etc. A look is all it
takes sometimes.
Someone on my horse boards posted about a 5 y/o TB who had won pretty
good money on the track found in a kill pen, despite the fact his papers
carried a notation that there was someone who would give him a home when
he was no longer wanted. He was rescued. But they continue to breed
them.
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| Kathycarp... |
| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 5:56 pm |
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It probably is behavioral signals, I don't know. But then we have the cats,
or is it dogs, who can sense when owner is going to have a seizure, yet
humans in the same room don't know. I just think that they (animals) have
more acute senses (some senses) than humans. Perhaps it's an odor, or a
sound, or ????? They're not "mind readers" but they know or sense things
that humans cannot.
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Kathy
www.ambergriscaye.com/villadelsol
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I certainly agree with this - but it is behavioral signals they're
getting, probably. I can't think they could actually read our minds, but
they do know if you are scared because signals and body language they're
reading. Oh yeah. If you don't believe it, watch one horse with a
tentative rider and then watch it with a confident rider. There is all
the difference in the world.
One of my biggest thrills ever was in dressage, learning how to stop a
horse with my brain. I love that!
"I don't agree with that at all. Animals can sense fear, anger,
excitement,
etc. and react upon it. It has nothing to due with them being
unmannered."
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Blupencl
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| Sue... |
| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 6:05 pm |
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Oh, I swear my cats understand me and we previously had a cat that
completely understood us -- every word. Now my calico (stubborn redhead that
we call her) I will say "Where is your string?" She loves any type of
ribbon, string whatever. She will just look at me and give me a yell and sit
there. A few minutes later she goes and gets it and drags it to me or DH.
Then we have to "play" with her. When she is "all done" she drags it back to
her favorite spot -- a piece of tissue paper from a store that she is in
love with and lays it on there. The other cat (our taxes the black one we
rescued & had for nearly 15 years) was very grateful and loving. When Cody
was home sick I would look at her in the morning and say, Cody is sick today
you need to go take care of him. She would go into his room and lay on the
bed with him all day. When her babies did something wrong (as kittens) Ken
would look at her and say, this is your fault you need to train them and she
would go over and smack the be-Jesus out of them. It was really funny. If I
was crying about anything, a movie whatever, she would come over and sit
beside me and put her paw on my face on my tears. She was an amazing
wonderful cat! She most definitely knew what was going on -- 24/7.
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Quote: It probably is behavioral signals, I don't know. But then we have the
cats, or is it dogs, who can sense when owner is going to have a seizure,
yet humans in the same room don't know. I just think that they (animals)
have more acute senses (some senses) than humans. Perhaps it's an odor, or
a sound, or ????? They're not "mind readers" but they know or sense things
that humans cannot.
--
Kathy
www.ambergriscaye.com/villadelsol
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I certainly agree with this - but it is behavioral signals they're
getting, probably. I can't think they could actually read our minds, but
they do know if you are scared because signals and body language they're
reading. Oh yeah. If you don't believe it, watch one horse with a
tentative rider and then watch it with a confident rider. There is all
the difference in the world.
One of my biggest thrills ever was in dressage, learning how to stop a
horse with my brain. I love that!
"I don't agree with that at all. Animals can sense fear, anger,
excitement,
etc. and react upon it. It has nothing to due with them being
unmannered."
--
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| RaeMorrill... |
| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 10:38 pm |
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I had a cat when I was a kid that I know comforted me when I was upset.
My newest kitty, Tigger (the Terrible) I'm not sure about. She's a
miniature Morris and has the widest vocal range, I think, of any cat
I've ever had. Chirps, meows, all kinds of intonations. Other day my
back was bothering me so I went in and lay on the bed trying to maneuver
myself around to ease the discomfort. She was licking my head and trying
to perform catapuncture on my arms. She runs around meowing bossily at
the dogs and I'd swear one of them obeys and just decides to lie down.
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| Barbara Carlson... |
| Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 9:38 am |
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Rae, back in the hay day of our horse breeding days we had about a 5 or 6
week-old filly who was dying of pneumonia. She had not responded to any
treatments and I knew, and the vet knew, we just weren't going to save her.
She had something called corneybacteria pneumonia where the infection is
encapsulated in sections of the lungs. I sat down on the straw in the
corner of the stall and just lost it! Crying my eyes out, and that little
filly struggled over to me, barely able to breathe and put her head on my
shoulder and tried to tell me everything was all right. Of course that made
things even worse. She died a few hours later but I have never forgotten
it.
This was a problem in the horse world for a while, but I later found, and
passed on to my vet, that the spraying of some sort of enzyme (forget the
name) sprayed into the nostrils on the intake of breath would break down the
encapsulation so the antibiotics could do their work, and she was the last
foal we lost to that horrible disease.
Barb C.
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I had a cat when I was a kid that I know comforted me when I was upset.
My newest kitty, Tigger (the Terrible) I'm not sure about. She's a
miniature Morris and has the widest vocal range, I think, of any cat
I've ever had. Chirps, meows, all kinds of intonations. Other day my
back was bothering me so I went in and lay on the bed trying to maneuver
myself around to ease the discomfort. She was licking my head and trying
to perform catapuncture on my arms. She runs around meowing bossily at
the dogs and I'd swear one of them obeys and just decides to lie down.
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