It's actually a good thing that managers did NOT grow to like telecommuting.

Think about it: If managers became comfortable with employees working off
site, it wouldn't matter whether you're working from San Jose or Bangalore.
Managers would hire people from the latter since the cost of labor is MUCH
lower there. Anyone wanting to work from home that resided in a high cost of
living area would ultimately be SOL.

A little wisdom from the past..
This is a copy of one of my reply post directed towards JJ I
composed/posted back in April 2001...

Newsgroups: alt.computer.consultants
Message-ID: <3acd7331.64548103 at (no spam) news.pompano.net
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 08:45:44 GMT

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On Fri, 06 Apr 2001 03:05:21 -0400, American Programmer

diogenes-no-s... at (no spam) cotse.com> wrote:
It's actually a good thing that managers did NOT grow to like telecommuting.

Too bad, since the U.S. was fairly close to being the ideal country
for remote development, but the expansion of H1-B program pretty much
killed off that fledgling industry. I.E. The cost of local tech
industry development was being constrained by local factors, cost of
housing, wage competition, relocation expenses, etc.

A lot of the tech Industry was planning on the telecommuting becoming
a substantial new industry. Ton's of fibre was laid, big investments
in telecom., etc. When the new industry failed to materialize, it
eliminated a lot of those business models, thus is another factor in
the current tech wreck.

That new model would have allowed the U.S. to transition to a more
efficient work system. Where a teleworker's impact on the
environment/society is greatly reduced. They no longer have a daily
need for roads, cars, driving to work, office buildings, etc.

Once H1-B was expanded, most of the constraining local factors driving
telecommuting vanished. Housing, no problem for a single person
living with seven room mates. Transportation, locating housing next to
a 1st world industrial/office park is not an issue, when compared to
living in a 3rd world country. Relocation expenses are nearly
non-existant, maybe a plane ticket. Wage competition, well, I think
we all know where that argument goes.

Think about it: If managers became comfortable with employees working off
site, it wouldn't matter whether you're working from San Jose or Bangalore.
Managers would hire people from the latter since the cost of labor is MUCH
lower there. Anyone wanting to work from home that resided in a high cost of
living area would ultimately be SOL.

There are lots of other factors that deter foreign contracts.

Some reasons are:
Lack of a consistent legal system to enforce contracts and protect
IP.
Reliable low cost communication links are often not available.
How stable is the local power grid, if it exists.
High Import tarrifs/bribes required and other impediments for the
transport of products/equipment needed for conducting business.
Non-existant tech support/supply infrastructure to make even minor
repairs, etc.

Just some thoughts about a Golden age that may never happen.
All thanks to Congress selling out to the tech industry, for a few
measly bribes/campaign donations.

Tim Keating

------------- New content ------------

Fast forward to May 9, 2008

Crude oil approaching $130 per barrel. Gasoline headed to $4 a
gallon.. Gasoline proces will probably hit $7 per gallon before
years end..

Runaway inflation.
Housing crash due to prices exceeding the ability of stagant(devalued)
wages ability to carry debt load.
Another couple of trillion dollars of debt accumulated and wasted
pacifying areas of the middle east for zero effect. (DOD
expenditures.)

This outcome brought to you by a President Bill Clinton, The Neocons,
and a Republican Congress.

Shrub (Bush) had the power to mitigate the damages, but instead made
things much worse. Invaded Iraq, signed several bills authorizing
additional visa program expansions, and recently used, (April 2008),
administrative powers to expand foreign tech labor pool in the U.S.
by another 400,000.

On Fri, 09 May 2008 12:00:56 -0400, T.Keating wrote:
A little wisdom from the past..
This is a copy of one of my reply post directed towards JJ I
composed/posted back in April 2001...

This outcome brought to you by a President Bill Clinton, The Neocons,
and a Republican Congress.

I really get sick of the Clinton bashing. The blame for most of the stuff
you correctly see as a problem is squarely on the Republican Congress.

is and was the constant "government is bad" and "free markets solve all
problems" from every bull horn in America that created the Republican
Congress and left Clinton in a very politically weak position.

"go with the flow" or just let the Republicans have a clear shot at the
White House in 2000. He tried, but he didn't make it. The Pukes took
over the entire world in 2001. There is no way that you will ever
convince me that a more "left" lean by Clinton would have stopped
Pinocchio Bush in 2000. As it was he actually won, as we know. The
Supremes crowned Bush Emperor in 2000, but Clinton tried. Al Gore tried to
go left and the world was lost.

Shrub (Bush) had the power to mitigate the damages, but instead made
things much worse. Invaded Iraq,

additional visa program expansions, and recently used, (April 2008),
administrative powers to expand foreign tech labor pool in the U.S.
by another 400,000.

The Republicans have always sought a caste society where the aristocracy
dictates the morality by ruling with an iron economic fist. Your position
in the society is based on your loyalty to the privileged caste.

destruction of the US dollar is part of the destruction of economic man.
When there is no money then there is no way to keep score. The winners
are whoever the Republicans care to anoint. The Republicans create money
as they need it. They don't need no stinkin taxes.

--
"I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers
of society but the people themselves; and
if we think them not enlightened enough to
exercise their control with a wholesome
discretion, the remedy is not to take it from
them, but to inform their discretion by
education." - Thomas Jeffersonhttp://GreaterVoice.org/extend

On Fri, 09 May 2008 13:30:25 -0700, Stray Dog wrote:
On May 9, 2:54 pm, The Trucker <mik... at (no spam) verizon.net> wrote:
On Fri, 09 May 2008 12:00:56 -0400, T.Keating wrote:
A little wisdom from the past..
This is a copy of one of my reply post directed towards JJ I
composed/posted back in April 2001...

deleted Tim Keating's material since it can be found in another post.

This outcome brought to you by a President Bill Clinton, The Neocons,
and a Republican Congress.

I really get sick of the Clinton bashing. The blame for most of the stuff
you correctly see as a problem is squarely on the Republican Congress.

My view is that most people are picking their favorite political party
for either blame (or credit) when the underlaying problem is the
influence that Big Business has with the politicians, no matter which
ones are in office.

We really have no disagreement.

had a love fest from at least the beginning of the 20th century. While
the Democrats may well be corrupt as well, at least they aren't PROUD of
it. K-Street was not a Democratic operation.

It
is and was the constant "government is bad" and "free markets solve all
problems" from every bull horn in America that created the Republican
Congress and left Clinton in a very politically weak position.

I just want to tell everyone that I just finished reading William
Greider's book "One World, Ready or Not--The Manic Logic of Global
Capitalism" and I would have to say that it is so far the best anti-
globalism book I have read so far. Very well researched, lots of
references, and reasonable.

I read his "Secrets of the Temple" and it was very good.

copies of the 8 in which I "invested". I gave them to those who I thought
deserving and able to benefit. I think he also wrote something called
"The Great Deflation". Such deflation was postponed as Bush destroyed the
dollar. We will see if it can be further postponed.

Everyone needs to understand how lobbying, PR, advertising, campaign
contributions, caucuses cause all of our politicians to _speak_ as
much platitudes that are whatever the constituents want to hear to get
the votes and then _act_ in ways to dilute any law formation, stall on
passage, or otherwise let loopholes form (and even if loopholes are
not formed, then management consultants, lawyer groups, and accounting
firms will step forward to provide schemes, scams, and frauds of all
manner to benefit the overlings),

But most already do understand that.

understood is _WHY_ it is like that and what we can do about it while
actually living up to the American Constitution. Succinctly, we need a
closer relationship between the people and their supposed representatives:http://GreaterVoice.org/extend Suggests a goal of returning to the
Constitutional Republic America was defined to be in order to put more
control in the hands of the people.

One book I read some ten years ago was "Confessions of a Union Buster"
by Martin Jay Levitt. Here was a guy, paid by management, whose job it
was to screw employees every way possible and after a couple of
decades the guy saw the light and wrote his expose'.

Until we get the influence of Big Business out of the politicians
offices, you're going to _hear_ one thing and _feel_ something else.

It does no good to read such books. We already know what is in them. It
is like causing pain to yourself. Who needs it. Lets do something about
it instead of just rehashing it over and over again.

He could
"go with the flow" or just let the Republicans have a clear shot at the
White House in 2000. He tried, but he didn't make it. The Pukes took
over the entire world in 2001. There is no way that you will ever
convince me that a more "left" lean by Clinton would have stopped
Pinocchio Bush in 2000. As it was he actually won, as we know. The
Supremes crowned Bush Emperor in 2000, but Clinton tried. Al Gore tried to
go left and the world was lost.

I'm sorry but I don't think there is a really honest political party
out there. Here and there, maybe a better one than another, but you
have to write up your own list of characteristics and hope for the
best.

I would actually agree. But the Republican party is the locked step party
and the Democratic party as it was and can be is not that at all. "I am
not a member of any organized political party", Said Will Rogers. "I'm a
Democrat".

Shrub (Bush) had the power to mitigate the damages, but instead made
things much worse. Invaded Iraq,

All on a lie: WMD in Iraq and my proof of the impotence of the present
system is that Bush should have been impeached for the lie, and there
is barely a whisper about impeachement and yet look at the uproar that
happened over Clinton with Lewinsky. Yes, Bill was naughty but that
was infinitesimal compared to Iraq which is egg on our face in terms
of the rest of the world.

Democrats are not a lock step party. Most Democrats voted against the
resolution to allow Pinocchio Bush to do whatever he wanted. But you are
right on this one. Bush should have been impeached early last year when
he vetoed the funding bill.

Those who are to conduct a war cannot in the nature of things be proper
or safe judges, whether a war ought to be commenced, continued, or
concluded. They are barred from the latter functions by a great principle
in government, analogous to that which separates the sword from the
purse, or the power of executing from the power of enacting laws.

Helvidius No. 1,24 Aug. 1793 -- PJM 15:71 (Madison)

signed several bills authorizing
additional visa program expansions, and recently used, (April 2008),
administrative powers to expand foreign tech labor pool in the U.S.
by another 400,000.

And, its all primarily done to cut costs of labor, nothing else. The
rich get richer, the poor poorer.

Republicans.

The Republicans have always sought a caste society where the aristocracy
dictates the morality by ruling with an iron economic fist. Your position
in the society is based on your loyalty to the privileged caste.

Which is proportional to how much money you have. If you are Warren
Buffett, you are a saint. If you are broke, then its your fault only.

Republicans believe that God decides who will be rich and they should
therefore lead the society in all things.

The
destruction of the US dollar is part of the destruction of economic man.
When there is no money then there is no way to keep score. The winners
are whoever the Republicans care to anoint. The Republicans create money
as they need it. They don't need no stinkin taxes.

You need to look at David Cay Johnston's book "Perfectly Legal" to see
how rich people dodge taxes and save $billions by all manner of
techniques not available to the rest of us. Yes, I read the book,
cover to cover.

I did. I got about 1/3 of the way before I lost interest. Stuff like
that is just boring, boring, boring.

A little wisdom from the past..
This is a copy of one of my reply post directed towards JJ I
composed/posted back in April 2001...


Newsgroups: alt.computer.consultants
Message-ID: <3acd7331.64548103 at (no spam) news.pompano.net
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 08:45:44 GMT


-----------

On Fri, 06 Apr 2001 03:05:21 -0400, American Programmer
diogenes-no-s... at (no spam) cotse.com> wrote:


It's actually a good thing that managers did NOT grow to like telecommuting.

Too bad, since the U.S. was fairly close to being the ideal country
for remote development, but the expansion of H1-B program pretty much
killed off that fledgling industry. I.E. The cost of local tech
industry development was being constrained by local factors, cost of
housing, wage competition, relocation expenses, etc.

A lot of the tech Industry was planning on the telecommuting becoming
a substantial new industry. Ton's of fibre was laid, big investments
in telecom., etc. When the new industry failed to materialize, it
eliminated a lot of those business models, thus is another factor in
the current tech wreck.

That new model would have allowed the U.S. to transition to a more
efficient work system. Where a teleworker's impact on the
environment/society is greatly reduced. They no longer have a daily
need for roads, cars, driving to work, office buildings, etc.

Once H1-B was expanded, most of the constraining local factors driving
telecommuting vanished. Housing, no problem for a single person
living with seven room mates. Transportation, locating housing next to
a 1st world industrial/office park is not an issue, when compared to
living in a 3rd world country. Relocation expenses are nearly
non-existant, maybe a plane ticket. Wage competition, well, I think
we all know where that argument goes.

Think about it: If managers became comfortable with employees working off
site, it wouldn't matter whether you're working from San Jose or Bangalore.
Managers would hire people from the latter since the cost of labor is MUCH
lower there. Anyone wanting to work from home that resided in a high cost of
living area would ultimately be SOL.


There are lots of other factors that deter foreign contracts.

Some reasons are:
Lack of a consistent legal system to enforce contracts and protect
IP.
Reliable low cost communication links are often not available.
How stable is the local power grid, if it exists.
High Import tarrifs/bribes required and other impediments for the
transport of products/equipment needed for conducting business.
Non-existant tech support/supply infrastructure to make even minor
repairs, etc.

Just some thoughts about a Golden age that may never happen.
All thanks to Congress selling out to the tech industry, for a few
measly bribes/campaign donations.

Tim Keating

------------- New content ------------

Fast forward to May 9, 2008

Crude oil approaching $130 per barrel. Gasoline headed to $4 a
gallon.. Gasoline proces will probably hit $7 per gallon before
years end..

Runaway inflation.
Housing crash due to prices exceeding the ability of stagant(devalued)
wages ability to carry debt load.
Another couple of trillion dollars of debt accumulated and wasted
pacifying areas of the middle east for zero effect. (DOD
expenditures.)

This outcome brought to you by a President Bill Clinton, The Neocons,
and a Republican Congress.

Shrub (Bush) had the power to mitigate the damages, but instead made
things much worse. Invaded Iraq, signed several bills authorizing
additional visa program expansions, and recently used, (April 2008),
administrative powers to expand foreign tech labor pool in the U.S.
by another 400,000.

On May 9, 2:54 pm, The Trucker <mik... at (no spam) verizon.net> wrote:
On Fri, 09 May 2008 12:00:56 -0400, T.Keating wrote:
A little wisdom from the past..
This is a copy of one of my reply post directed towards JJ I
composed/posted back in April 2001...

deleted Tim Keating's material since it can be found in another post.

This outcome brought to you by a President Bill Clinton, The Neocons,
and a Republican Congress.

I really get sick of the Clinton bashing. The blame for most of the stuff
you correctly see as a problem is squarely on the Republican Congress.

My view is that most people are picking their favorite political party
for either blame (or credit) when the underlaying problem is the
influence that Big Business has with the politicians, no matter which
ones are in office.

It
is and was the constant "government is bad" and "free markets solve all
problems" from every bull horn in America that created the Republican
Congress and left Clinton in a very politically weak position.

I just want to tell everyone that I just finished reading William
Greider's book "One World, Ready or Not--The Manic Logic of Global
Capitalism" and I would have to say that it is so far the best anti-
globalism book I have read so far. Very well researched, lots of
references, and reasonable.

Everyone needs to understand how lobbying, PR, advertising, campaign
contributions, caucuses cause all of our politicians to _speak_ as
much platitudes that are whatever the constituents want to hear to get
the votes and then _act_ in ways to dilute any law formation, stall on
passage, or otherwise let loopholes form (and even if loopholes are
not formed, then management consultants, lawyer groups, and accounting
firms will step forward to provide schemes, scams, and frauds of all
manner to benefit the overlings),

One book I read some ten years ago was "Confessions of a Union Buster"
by Martin Jay Levitt. Here was a guy, paid by management, whose job it
was to screw employees every way possible and after a couple of
decades the guy saw the light and wrote his expose'.

Until we get the influence of Big Business out of the politicians
offices, you're going to _hear_ one thing and _feel_ something else.

He could
"go with the flow" or just let the Republicans have a clear shot at the
White House in 2000. He tried, but he didn't make it. The Pukes took
over the entire world in 2001. There is no way that you will ever
convince me that a more "left" lean by Clinton would have stopped
Pinocchio Bush in 2000. As it was he actually won, as we know. The
Supremes crowned Bush Emperor in 2000, but Clinton tried. Al Gore tried to
go left and the world was lost.

I'm sorry but I don't think there is a really honest political party
out there. Here and there, maybe a better one than another, but you
have to write up your own list of characteristics and hope for the
best.

Shrub (Bush) had the power to mitigate the damages, but instead made
things much worse. Invaded Iraq,

All on a lie: WMD in Iraq and my proof of the impotence of the present
system is that Bush should have been impeached for the lie, and there
is barely a whisper about impeachement and yet look at the uproar that
happened over Clinton with Lewinsky. Yes, Bill was naughty but that
was infinitesimal compared to Iraq which is egg on our face in terms
of the rest of the world.

signed several bills authorizing
additional visa program expansions, and recently used, (April 2008),
administrative powers to expand foreign tech labor pool in the U.S.
by another 400,000.

And, its all primarily done to cut costs of labor, nothing else. The
rich get richer, the poor poorer.

The Republicans have always sought a caste society where the aristocracy
dictates the morality by ruling with an iron economic fist. Your position
in the society is based on your loyalty to the privileged caste.

Which is proportional to how much money you have. If you are Warren
Buffett, you are a saint. If you are broke, then its your fault only.

The
destruction of the US dollar is part of the destruction of economic man.
When there is no money then there is no way to keep score. The winners
are whoever the Republicans care to anoint. The Republicans create money
as they need it. They don't need no stinkin taxes.

You need to look at David Cay Johnston's book "Perfectly Legal" to see
how rich people dodge taxes and save $billions by all manner of
techniques not available to the rest of us. Yes, I read the book,
cover to cover.

I've been reading history books for the last 7-8 years and quite
frankly sometimes I think, besides our material standard of living
today, there were a few kings and emperors in the past who actually
did something good for the people. On the other hand, I have yet to
read very much about any (repeat: any) rich people doing much for
anyone except themselves.