Hi Guys,
I was just thinking about protium the other day and it occurred to me that
as it has only one proton and no neutron, there must be no W and Z
particles.  This raised a couple of quick questions:
1) when Deuterium forms,where do the W and Z particles come from?
2) if they come from the proton and/or neutron, does the mass of these
particles change ie is the mass of the proton in protium greater than when
in any other atom?
3) where do the W and Z particles go when a neutron is stripped from
Deuterium?

If we compare the question on W and Z to another Boson, say the photon, the
answers are all reasonably straight forward - an electron emitting a photon
loses an amount of energy equal to that taken off by the photon.  Upon
absorbing a photon, an electron gains energy.  Thus the energy-mass of the
electron does change.

--
Kind Regards
Robert Karl Stonjek

Hi Guys,
I was just thinking about protium the other day and it occurred to me that
as it has only one proton and no neutron, there must be no W and Z
particles. This raised a couple of quick questions:
1) when Deuterium forms,where do the W and Z particles come from?
2) if they come from the proton and/or neutron, does the mass of these
particles change ie is the mass of the proton in protium greater than when
in any other atom?
3) where do the W and Z particles go when a neutron is stripped from
Deuterium?

If we compare the question on W and Z to another Boson, say the photon, the
answers are all reasonably straight forward - an electron emitting a photon
loses an amount of energy equal to that taken off by the photon. Upon
absorbing a photon, an electron gains energy. Thus the energy-mass of the
electron does change.

Robert Karl Stonjek wrote:
Hi Guys,
I was just thinking about protium the other day and it occurred to me
that
as it has only one proton and no neutron, there must be no W and Z
particles. This raised a couple of quick questions:
1) when Deuterium forms,where do the W and Z particles come from?
2) if they come from the proton and/or neutron, does the mass of these
particles change ie is the mass of the proton in protium greater than
when
in any other atom?
3) where do the W and Z particles go when a neutron is stripped from
Deuterium?

If we compare the question on W and Z to another Boson, say the photon,
the
answers are all reasonably straight forward - an electron emitting a
photon
loses an amount of energy equal to that taken off by the photon. Upon
absorbing a photon, an electron gains energy. Thus the energy-mass of
the
electron does change.






Boson
http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/Boson.html
http://particleadventure.org/particleadventure/frameless/chart.html

"Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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Robert Karl Stonjek wrote:
Hi Guys,
I was just thinking about protium the other day and it occurred to me
that
as it has only one proton and no neutron, there must be no W and Z
particles. This raised a couple of quick questions:
1) when Deuterium forms,where do the W and Z particles come from?
2) if they come from the proton and/or neutron, does the mass of these
particles change ie is the mass of the proton in protium greater than
when
in any other atom?
3) where do the W and Z particles go when a neutron is stripped from
Deuterium?

If we compare the question on W and Z to another Boson, say the photon,
the
answers are all reasonably straight forward - an electron emitting a
photon
loses an amount of energy equal to that taken off by the photon. Upon
absorbing a photon, an electron gains energy. Thus the energy-mass of
the
electron does change.





Boson
http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/Boson.html
http://particleadventure.org/particleadventure/frameless/chart.html

RKS:
I'm not quite clear on the point you are trying to make. W and Z are
bosons. I said they were bosons. Photons are bosons.

I'm assuming there is some simple answer to my simple questions.

Robert

Robert Karl Stonjek wrote:
"Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:yK_Rj.89539$TT4.25219@attbi_s22...
Robert Karl Stonjek wrote:
Hi Guys,
I was just thinking about protium the other day and it occurred to me
that
as it has only one proton and no neutron, there must be no W and Z
particles. This raised a couple of quick questions:
1) when Deuterium forms,where do the W and Z particles come from?
2) if they come from the proton and/or neutron, does the mass of these
particles change ie is the mass of the proton in protium greater than
when
in any other atom?
3) where do the W and Z particles go when a neutron is stripped from
Deuterium?

If we compare the question on W and Z to another Boson, say the
photon,
the
answers are all reasonably straight forward - an electron emitting a
photon
loses an amount of energy equal to that taken off by the photon. Upon
absorbing a photon, an electron gains energy. Thus the energy-mass of
the
electron does change.





Boson
http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/Boson.html
http://particleadventure.org/particleadventure/frameless/chart.html

RKS:
I'm not quite clear on the point you are trying to make. W and Z are
bosons. I said they were bosons. Photons are bosons.

I'm assuming there is some simple answer to my simple questions.

Robert



Your question, "where do the W and Z particles come from?"

http://cr4.globalspec.com/blogentry/2237/Fermions-and-Bosons

RKS:

Hi Guys,
I was just thinking about protium the other day and it occurred to me that
as it has only one proton and no neutron, there must be no W and Z
particles. This raised a couple of quick questions:
1) when Deuterium forms,where do the W and Z particles come from?
2) if they come from the proton and/or neutron, does the mass of these
particles change ie is the mass of the proton in protium greater than when
in any other atom?
3) where do the W and Z particles go when a neutron is stripped from
Deuterium?

If we compare the question on W and Z to another Boson, say the photon,
the
answers are all reasonably straight forward - an electron emitting a
photon
loses an amount of energy equal to that taken off by the photon. Upon
absorbing a photon, an electron gains energy. Thus the energy-mass of the
electron does change.

--
Kind Regards
Robert Karl Stonjek

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Hi Guys,
I was just thinking about protium the other day and it occurred to me that
as it has only one proton and no neutron, there must be no W and Z
particles. This raised a couple of quick questions:
1) when Deuterium forms,where do the W and Z particles come from?
2) if they come from the proton and/or neutron, does the mass of these
particles change ie is the mass of the proton in protium greater than when
in any other atom?
3) where do the W and Z particles go when a neutron is stripped from
Deuterium?

If we compare the question on W and Z to another Boson, say the photon,
the
answers are all reasonably straight forward - an electron emitting a
photon
loses an amount of energy equal to that taken off by the photon. Upon
absorbing a photon, an electron gains energy. Thus the energy-mass of the
electron does change.

--
Kind Regards
Robert Karl Stonjek

The W and Z are gauge bosons for the weak interaction.  How they fit
into your scenario is not very clear.  Maybe you could reframe your
questions.

RKS:
I'm not clear on what is not clear.

Let's consider a photon exchange between two atoms;
1) there are two atoms and no photons.  Let the atoms be identical (say,
hydrogen atoms) and their energy state also identical.
2a) the energy state of one atom falls and a photon is emitted.
2b) the photon has an energy equal to the amount of energy lost by the
emitting atom;
3) the absorbing atom's energy state increases by an amount equal to the
photon, the photon no longer exists.

Now lets consider the W and Z:
1) there are two nucleons and no W and Z particles;
2) the two nucleons come close enough for W and Z interaction;
3) ?
4) ?

A) What does, say, a proton lose upon emitting a W or Z particle?

B) What does, say, a proton gain upon absorbing a W or Z particle?

C) What does the W or Z particle transmit between nucleons?

Is it mass, energy, or mass-energy as in the case of the photon?

Does the emitting nucleon lose mass, energy or mass-energy as in the case of
the emitting atom with respect to photon exhange (energy state of electron
falls, for instance).