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Margo Schulter
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 2:51 am
Guest
Hi, everyone. This is another quick and informal observing
report to keep up the signal-to-noise ratio, I hope, and also
to convey the sheer excitement of an experience which curiously
does seem to fit the title "Star Trek" -- a journey of some four
hours from Corvus to Sagittarius and M25 through the beautiful
southern skies.

Using 15X70 binoculars, I started a bit before midnight (PDT,
7 hours earlier than UT) in Corvus, starhopping north from
Delta Corvi to find the area of M104, although I'm not sure if
I've yet seen it through urban skyglow even with a 20cm f/6 Dob.
Then to the main item on my planned agenda: surveying some of
Centaurus.

While I didn't seem to observe any DSO's in that constellation,
I did get a look at Zeta Centauri at around -47-o declination.
That's about the limit of my unobstructed view, and some 4-o
above the theoretical horizon. As a bright point source, Zeta
Centauri was easily spotted through the shifting haze and fringes
of local light trespass; it remains an open question whether or
how well I would be able to see extended objects this low. Anyway,
getting down to 47-o wasn't a bad start.

For this I used a "catbird seat" -- basically a large pillow that
would elevate me and give me a view of lower altitudes through the
window of my live-in observatory, also known as my apartment. To
observe things at less "envelope-pushing" declinations, I can simply
sit or lean back with the binoculars.

The area around Zeta Centauri has a beautiful asterism, and I enjoyed
it for its own sake even while considering the combination of good
timing and a clear horizon that I would need to see NGC 5139, Omega
Centauri, which is the original motivation for this exercise.

Then moving on, at around 00:58 I spotted a delightful trapezoid in
the neighboring constellation of Lupus, which led me by 0110 to a
star I had noted in the _Millennium Star Atlas_ as Bidelman's Helium
Variable (around 14h24m and something like -39-o declination, as I
recall), also V761 Centauri if my information is correct. It turned
out that one of the stars of the Lupus trapezoid was around 149 light
years distant -- so that the light I was seeing would have left
around 1859, the year of John Brown's raid at Harper's Ferry in the
USA to free the slaves, and also of Darwin's _Origin of Species_.

At 0117, I spotted Alpha Lupi, like Zeta Centauri at around -47-o,
about the same as NGC 5139. Of course, again, I reflected from much
experience that being able to observe a bright point source does not
necessarily mean that extended objects, even bright ones, will be
equally visible under urban conditions <rueful grin>!

At 0213, as the Earth rotated and the stars thus appeared to progress
in a stately promenade, a familiar landmark appeared: the "Pentagon"
formed by Antares, Rho Ophiuchi, and some other stars in that region,
a pattern which might almost seem to serve as a shared "capital" of
two constellations, Ophiuchus and Scorpius. At that point the local
sidereal time (LST) was about 1534 (based on an LST at midnight PDT
of about 1321), and Antares is at about 16h29m. That tells me that
I was about to see Antares almost an hour before its transit of the
meridean, at an hour angle (HA) of about -0h55m, a useful guide for
the future.

At 0230, from the catbird seat, I saw a new favorite object: NGC 6231,
the "Scorpius Jewel Box" or "Northern Jewel Box" of the southern skies,
not to be confused with another "Jewel Box" looked further south in
Crux. This is located around 16h54m at -42-o, and is a bright open
cluster about 15' across which comes through well even in bright
urban skies at around 10-o above the horizon. While it isn't on
Messier's list from the simple reason it doesn't make it above the
horizon if one is observing from the region of Paris, Hodierna does
describe it in 1654, having had the benefit of a more southernly
Italian venue. This makes it a real gem of early DSO history, as
well as a sheer visual delight.

At 0246 I thought that I might have observed, moving back north to
the pentagon, M4. Was I seeing it, or simply visualizing it where
I wanted it to be, located below and not too far from midway between
Antares and another star forming the base of the asterism? On repeated
attempts with various uses of direct or averted vision, it seem at times
to be a distinct "smudge" of light -- could 70mm aperture plus binocular
vision achieve this under urban conditions when with the Dob I had not
discerned anything clearly. Then again, curiously, I had noted that M22
was about as easy to spot in these binoculars as it seemed in the Dob
the first time I saw it.

It also looked for M80, at wasn't sure if I saw it, but at any rate
learned about where to find it -- helpful for darker skies also.

At 0319, a moment of delight as I found the first Messier object I
had sought out and observed as such: M7, not quite a year ago! There
it was; if I view it from the catbird seat, it seems comparatively
a "northern" object by comparison to something like NGC 6231. At
not quite -35-o, M7 is the southernmost Messier, and a beautiful
open cluster it is. It's too low a declination to see with the Dob
from my observatory, but with the binoculars it's easy.

A few minutes later I looked again at the M4 region, and concluded
that the smudge I seemed to see "looked credible." Making a sketch
of an object definitely seen along with surrounding asterisms and
the like, and then determining what it is, is generally just a
matter and patience and access to the right resources; but deciding
if one has actually _seen_ something at a well-known location is
a different kind of puzzle. My guess is that I actually saw M4,
at least some of the time -- but that maybe the best thing would be
to practice my averted vision more, which might either confirm or
possibly tend to disprove my problematic "sighting."

At 0348 (around 1709 LST) I got another view of M7, and this time
also found and enjoyed M6. By 0358 I had also spotted M8 and M20
(or more precisely their prominent open clusters), as well as M24,
the Small Sagittarius Star Cloud. At around 0402, I concluded with
M25 (an open cluster very distinct and with lots of framing in a
4.3-o FOV) and M22, a globular cluster which comes through very
clearly.

What's hard to describe in words is the total experience: the
slow progression of the stars, and the alternation between
purposeful and sometimes even hurried searches for specific
DSO's or other objects of interest, and the more relaxed periods
of simply enjoying a pleasant asterism or even a randomly
selected starfield: "Thus engagingly crowded region may not
constitute a DSO, but it's no less agreeable to the eye."

Also, I find myself starting to learn about things like stellar
"associations" -- maybe enlarging a bit the usual concept of
a DSO.

Anyway, that's the story of a night at the time of year when
the summer approaches, with Scorpius and Sagittarius as its
welcome celestial harbingers.

Most appreciatively,

Margo Schulter
mschulter@calweb.com
oriel36
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 2:51 am
Guest
On Apr 29, 8:51 am, Margo Schulter <mschul...@web1.calweb.com> wrote:
Quote:
Hi, everyone. This is another quick and informal observing
report to keep up the signal-to-noise ratio, I hope, and also
to convey the sheer excitement of an experience which curiously
does seem to fit the title "Star Trek" -- a journey of some four
hours from Corvus to Sagittarius and M25 through the beautiful
southern skies.

Margo Schulter
mschul...@calweb.com

No offence Margo,but unbridled constellational observing shades off
into the noise end of the spectrum.If the background for structural
and timekeeping astronomy were stable,the observational convenience of
constellations and the Ra/Dec calendrically driven clockwork system to
which it is attached would be fine but it unfortunately provides the
basis for dumping every conceivable junk into the celestial
arena.Again,what you do is a harmless pursuit in itself but it sure
ain't astronomy,it is astrology,in point of fact.

I would not deny you your constellational experience and the
celestial merry-go-round excitement,unfortunately it means
fiorgetting about the motions which make that observance possible -
the axial and orbital motions of the Earth.The rigid arttachment to
the Ra/Dec system as a means to explain the Earth's motions means that
you deny yourself the appreciation of heliopcentyric reasoning,how to
set the Earth's motions against the other planets and the central
Sun,how to set the motion of the solar system about the galactic
center or to the external galaxies,

Here is your constellational excitement -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-iQxCRqw64

This is what it actually looks like -

http://www.opencourse.info/astronomy/introduction/02.motion_stars_sun/celestial_sphere_anim.gif

The ins and outs of the Ra/Dec system,at least the one inherited from
Flamsteed,is that it forces zodiacal geometry into heliocentric
reasoning by attaching axial rotation directly to the celestial sphere
geometry.It is suppose to horrify peoplke instead of getting them
excited and until it gets sorted out,constellational observing remains
very much on the noise side of astronomy with no signal and no
substance.
Sam Wormley
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:58 am
Guest
Margo Schulter wrote:
Quote:
Hi, everyone. This is another quick and informal observing
report to keep up the signal-to-noise ratio, I hope, and also
to convey the sheer excitement of an experience which curiously
does seem to fit the title "Star Trek" -- a journey of some four
hours from Corvus to Sagittarius and M25 through the beautiful
southern skies.

Using 15X70 binoculars, I started a bit before midnight (PDT,
7 hours earlier than UT) in Corvus, starhopping north from
Delta Corvi to find the area of M104, although I'm not sure if
I've yet seen it through urban skyglow even with a 20cm f/6 Dob.
Then to the main item on my planned agenda: surveying some of
Centaurus.

While I didn't seem to observe any DSO's in that constellation,
I did get a look at Zeta Centauri at around -47-o declination.
That's about the limit of my unobstructed view, and some 4-o
above the theoretical horizon. As a bright point source, Zeta
Centauri was easily spotted through the shifting haze and fringes
of local light trespass; it remains an open question whether or
how well I would be able to see extended objects this low. Anyway,
getting down to 47-o wasn't a bad start.

For this I used a "catbird seat" -- basically a large pillow that
would elevate me and give me a view of lower altitudes through the
window of my live-in observatory, also known as my apartment. To
observe things at less "envelope-pushing" declinations, I can simply
sit or lean back with the binoculars.

The area around Zeta Centauri has a beautiful asterism, and I enjoyed
it for its own sake even while considering the combination of good
timing and a clear horizon that I would need to see NGC 5139, Omega
Centauri, which is the original motivation for this exercise.

Then moving on, at around 00:58 I spotted a delightful trapezoid in
the neighboring constellation of Lupus, which led me by 0110 to a
star I had noted in the _Millennium Star Atlas_ as Bidelman's Helium
Variable (around 14h24m and something like -39-o declination, as I
recall), also V761 Centauri if my information is correct. It turned
out that one of the stars of the Lupus trapezoid was around 149 light
years distant -- so that the light I was seeing would have left
around 1859, the year of John Brown's raid at Harper's Ferry in the
USA to free the slaves, and also of Darwin's _Origin of Species_.

At 0117, I spotted Alpha Lupi, like Zeta Centauri at around -47-o,
about the same as NGC 5139. Of course, again, I reflected from much
experience that being able to observe a bright point source does not
necessarily mean that extended objects, even bright ones, will be
equally visible under urban conditions <rueful grin>!

At 0213, as the Earth rotated and the stars thus appeared to progress
in a stately promenade, a familiar landmark appeared: the "Pentagon"
formed by Antares, Rho Ophiuchi, and some other stars in that region,
a pattern which might almost seem to serve as a shared "capital" of
two constellations, Ophiuchus and Scorpius. At that point the local
sidereal time (LST) was about 1534 (based on an LST at midnight PDT
of about 1321), and Antares is at about 16h29m. That tells me that
I was about to see Antares almost an hour before its transit of the
meridean, at an hour angle (HA) of about -0h55m, a useful guide for
the future.

At 0230, from the catbird seat, I saw a new favorite object: NGC 6231,
the "Scorpius Jewel Box" or "Northern Jewel Box" of the southern skies,
not to be confused with another "Jewel Box" looked further south in
Crux. This is located around 16h54m at -42-o, and is a bright open
cluster about 15' across which comes through well even in bright
urban skies at around 10-o above the horizon. While it isn't on
Messier's list from the simple reason it doesn't make it above the
horizon if one is observing from the region of Paris, Hodierna does
describe it in 1654, having had the benefit of a more southernly
Italian venue. This makes it a real gem of early DSO history, as
well as a sheer visual delight.

At 0246 I thought that I might have observed, moving back north to
the pentagon, M4. Was I seeing it, or simply visualizing it where
I wanted it to be, located below and not too far from midway between
Antares and another star forming the base of the asterism? On repeated
attempts with various uses of direct or averted vision, it seem at times
to be a distinct "smudge" of light -- could 70mm aperture plus binocular
vision achieve this under urban conditions when with the Dob I had not
discerned anything clearly. Then again, curiously, I had noted that M22
was about as easy to spot in these binoculars as it seemed in the Dob
the first time I saw it.

It also looked for M80, at wasn't sure if I saw it, but at any rate
learned about where to find it -- helpful for darker skies also.

At 0319, a moment of delight as I found the first Messier object I
had sought out and observed as such: M7, not quite a year ago! There
it was; if I view it from the catbird seat, it seems comparatively
a "northern" object by comparison to something like NGC 6231. At
not quite -35-o, M7 is the southernmost Messier, and a beautiful
open cluster it is. It's too low a declination to see with the Dob
from my observatory, but with the binoculars it's easy.

A few minutes later I looked again at the M4 region, and concluded
that the smudge I seemed to see "looked credible." Making a sketch
of an object definitely seen along with surrounding asterisms and
the like, and then determining what it is, is generally just a
matter and patience and access to the right resources; but deciding
if one has actually _seen_ something at a well-known location is
a different kind of puzzle. My guess is that I actually saw M4,
at least some of the time -- but that maybe the best thing would be
to practice my averted vision more, which might either confirm or
possibly tend to disprove my problematic "sighting."

At 0348 (around 1709 LST) I got another view of M7, and this time
also found and enjoyed M6. By 0358 I had also spotted M8 and M20
(or more precisely their prominent open clusters), as well as M24,
the Small Sagittarius Star Cloud. At around 0402, I concluded with
M25 (an open cluster very distinct and with lots of framing in a
4.3-o FOV) and M22, a globular cluster which comes through very
clearly.

What's hard to describe in words is the total experience: the
slow progression of the stars, and the alternation between
purposeful and sometimes even hurried searches for specific
DSO's or other objects of interest, and the more relaxed periods
of simply enjoying a pleasant asterism or even a randomly
selected starfield: "Thus engagingly crowded region may not
constitute a DSO, but it's no less agreeable to the eye."

Also, I find myself starting to learn about things like stellar
"associations" -- maybe enlarging a bit the usual concept of
a DSO.

Anyway, that's the story of a night at the time of year when
the summer approaches, with Scorpius and Sagittarius as its
welcome celestial harbingers.

Most appreciatively,

Margo Schulter
mschulter@calweb.com




Thank you Margo!
-Sam
oriel36
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 9:07 am
Guest
On Apr 29, 6:12 pm, Stuart Levy <s_l...@ameritech.net> wrote:
Quote:
On 2008-04-29, oriel36 <kelleher.ger...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Apr 29, 8:51 am, Margo Schulter <mschul...@web1.calweb.com> wrote:
Hi, everyone. This is another quick and informal observing
report to keep up the signal-to-noise ratio, I hope, and also
to convey the sheer excitement of an experience which curiously
does seem to fit the title "Star Trek" -- a journey of some four
hours from Corvus to Sagittarius and M25 through the beautiful
southern skies.

Margo Schulter
mschul...@calweb.com

No offence Margo,but unbridled constellational observing shades off
into the noise end of the spectrum.

Yes -- we can only express shock that astronomy is being discussed
on an astronomy news group!

That is not astronomy,that is astrological observing,it takes no
account of the Earth's motions,the Earth could be flat as far as Margo
is concerned ,the excitement being restricted to recognising the
constellations via the Ra/Dec system,

Ther actual reasoning which isolates axial rotation through 360
degrees in 24 hours is actually a complicated process and even then
the assumption is that axial rotation is constant rather than a direct
observation,nevertheless ,it is nowhere near the 23 hour 56 minute 04
second value which Margo needs for her constellational
observing.Appealing to Huygen's treatise on the matter no longer seems
to work so I have no option but to concede to a more basic approach
that apparently suits your level of understanding of axial rotation -

http://www.teachertube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=8ea2501f98a2cafadb39

Now,do you not feel insulted enough or do you want to look again at
the solar/sidereal fiction which has a location rotate to noon in 24
hours exactly even though it has been known for millenia that no two
noon cycles are the same length -

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1d/Tiempo_sid%C3%A9reo.en.png

I do not know why people are doing this,I am at a complete loss as to
why the history and technical details which keep clocks in sync with
the axial cycle at 24 hours/360 degrees using the difference between
variations in natural noon and human devised 24 hour noon is not
enough that a solar/sidereal fiction is created.I insist that it is on
par with a flat Earth notion yet there are 300 years of concept built
on the most pathetic reasoning to which humanity has yet attained,at
least in astronomy and terrestrial sciences.There is no central
authority to halt the nonsense,in fact,there is an organisation
specifically created to continue the nonsense.

I have carried the arguments for so long and that is quite amazing,the
entire group of people who are unable to extract themselves from the
astrological framework and just look at axial rotation on its own -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IinlmnaZ0Tc

You want your constellational framework and the Earth's rotation tied
directly to it,have agood look at what you believe and then tell me
all about astronomy -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-iQxCRqw64

http://www.opencourse.info/astronomy/introduction/02.motion_stars_sun/celestial_sphere_anim.gif

If you do not know what went wrong or better still,what is correct
then you become humanity's problem.Even the offer to consider the Ra/
Dec system as an observational convenience and promote it as such does
not move anyone away from the awful fact that it is used to dictate
structural astronomy and the motions of the Earth and a calendrically
driven clockwork solar system.
Guest
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:10 pm
On Apr 29, 2:07 pm, oriel36 <kelleher.ger...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
I have carried the arguments for so long and that is quite amazing,the
entire group of people who are unable to extract themselves from the
astrological framework and just look at axial rotation on its own -

Perhaps you should just give up your efforts, and write off us
boneheads who are not willing to listen. Clearly your valuable time is
being wasted...
Stuart Levy
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:12 pm
Guest
On 2008-04-29, oriel36 <kelleher.gerald@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Apr 29, 8:51 am, Margo Schulter <mschul...@web1.calweb.com> wrote:
Hi, everyone. This is another quick and informal observing
report to keep up the signal-to-noise ratio, I hope, and also
to convey the sheer excitement of an experience which curiously
does seem to fit the title "Star Trek" -- a journey of some four
hours from Corvus to Sagittarius and M25 through the beautiful
southern skies.

Margo Schulter
mschul...@calweb.com

No offence Margo,but unbridled constellational observing shades off
into the noise end of the spectrum.

Yes -- we can only express shock that astronomy is being discussed
on an astronomy news group!
David Weinshenker
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 4:01 pm
Guest
oriel36 wrote:
(stuff that mostly reduces to jumping up and
down and posting URL's to video websites)

Excuse me buddy - I'm trying to read a newsgroup here, not watch TV on my
computer. Maybe you would have better luck explaining yourself in words
that did not depend on the readers' both being able and willing to download
and play back video files jsut to see what you think you're talking about...

-dave w
James
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:02 pm
Guest
On Apr 29, 12:51 am, Margo Schulter <mschul...@web1.calweb.com> wrote:
Quote:
Hi, everyone. This is another quick and informal observing
report to keep up the signal-to-noise ratio, I hope, and also
to convey the sheer excitement of an experience which curiously
does seem to fit the title "Star Trek" -- a journey of some four
hours from Corvus to Sagittarius and M25 through the beautiful
southern skies.


Nice post, I enjoyed reading it. Reminded me of the '70's when I was
about 12 years old, observing out in warm July nights from 34 deg N
latitude. From that latitude Scorpius was prominent in the south,
standing up on its tail, with lambda and upsilon looking like a pair
of cat eyes in the sky. I had a 50mm refractor and a badly worn out
but trusty copy of Norton's Star Atlas. I got excited when I saw NGC
6231 for the first time -- man, awesome cluster! -- and I thought I
was hot stuff because I found something that wasn't an "M" number and
none of my books mentioned it.
TBerk
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:50 pm
Guest
On Apr 29, 12:51 am, Margo Schulter <mschul...@web1.calweb.com> wrote:
<snip>
Quote:
Anyway, that's the story of a night at the time of year when
the summer approaches, with Scorpius and Sagittarius as its
welcome celestial harbingers.

Most appreciatively,

Margo Schulter
mschul...@calweb.com


Good post, don't pay any attention to 'the Bird'.


TBerk
oriel36
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:07 am
Guest
On Apr 29, 11:10 pm, alliso...@ignmail.com wrote:
Quote:
On Apr 29, 2:07 pm, oriel36 <kelleher.ger...@gmail.com> wrote:

I have carried the arguments for so long and that is quite amazing,the
entire group of people who are unable to extract themselves from the
astrological framework and just look at axial rotation on its own -

Perhaps you should just give up your efforts, and write off us
boneheads who are not willing to listen. Clearly your valuable time is
being wasted...

Boneheads do not take a day off from promoting the joys of
constellational observing and likewise,I do not take a day off from
promoting a better understanding of the Earth's motions in respect to
climate,how to explain variations in daylight/darkness,where the
variations in the natural noon cycles come from and all those things
which may be important to kids and their future.

I am all for your astrological magnification pursuit,I really am but
you may have noticed recently that a number of people have become
concerned about climate and the state of the Earth.There may be
boneheads who still thing they can justify the axial and orbital
motions with a constellational framework and then go on to speak of
climate but this is what makes the whole thing dangerous,there are
reckless scientists who can't even explain the basic cause of day and
night properly let alone a more complex topic suich as where
variations in daylight/darkness come from.

The valuable time of humanity is being wasted by people who have the
same intellectual standard as flat Earthers,that is not a
reaction,that is an unfortunate conceptual fact .This is what you
believe -

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1d/Tiempo_sid%C3%A9reo.en.png

And this is how it pans out -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-iQxCRqw64

I am sure kids in future will thank you for leaving them with the
same inability to reason as is shown in your response.It may not be
your fault that you cannot extract yourself for warm and fuzzy
astrological observing but it is no consolation for them,they do not
stand a chance,at least at present, of considering if there are
natural variations in the relationship between axial and orbital
motions as a factor in climate.

I do not think you are boneheads but there may be genuine astronomers
in the making among you.
oriel36
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:36 am
Guest
On Apr 29, 10:01 pm, David Weinshenker <daz...@earthlink.net> wrote:
Quote:
oriel36 wrote:

(stuff that mostly reduces to jumping up and
down and posting URL's to video websites)

Excuse me buddy - I'm trying to read a newsgroup here, not watch TV on my
computer.  Maybe you would have better luck explaining yourself in words
that did not depend on the readers' both being able and willing to download
and play back video files jsut to see what you think you're talking about....

-dave w

The Earth does not rotates through 360 degrees in 23 hours 56 minutes
04 seconds,the value which astrologers assign to it.No
words,images,graphics,time lapse footage shakes you from a notion that
is even below a flat Earth notion and the perception is pandemic - an
actual illness that has descended on people of this planet without the
slightest sign of it abating.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1d/Tiempo_sid%C3%A9reo.en.png

If axial rotation is assumed to be constant,the value is most
certainly 24 hours which is 3 minutes 56 seconds off the value which
astrologers assign to it,the historical texts,the invention of clocks
based on the Equation of Time principles makes it a 100% geometric
certainty yet I have yet to see a single affirmation on the usenet.
Marty
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:53 pm
Guest
Thanks Margo, for another wonderful ASTRONOMICAL post! Amazing what you
can come up with under abysmal conditions through your window universe!
Smile Goes to show one doesn't have to catalogue all the globulars of the
Andromeda Galaxy, or visually observe gravitational lensing to enjoy
this stuff!
Marty
Margo Schulter
Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 12:38 am
Guest
James <wimpyVO2max@gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:
Nice post, I enjoyed reading it. Reminded me of the '70's when I was
about 12 years old, observing out in warm July nights from 34 deg N
latitude. From that latitude Scorpius was prominent in the south,
standing up on its tail, with lambda and upsilon looking like a pair
of cat eyes in the sky. I had a 50mm refractor and a badly worn out
but trusty copy of Norton's Star Atlas. I got excited when I saw NGC
6231 for the first time -- man, awesome cluster! -- and I thought I
was hot stuff because I found something that wasn't an "M" number and
none of my books mentioned it.

Hi, there, James.

When I think of 34 degrees N, the first thing that occurs to me is
Los Angeles, California, since that's my home town -- but I realize
that there are lots of places sharing that latitude.

It occurs to me that from where you were back then, maybe NGC 5139
wouldn't be quite such a difficult object as it is up here in
Sacramento, some four degrees higher in latitude, I guess.

By the way, your mention of lamba and upsilon "looking like a pair of
cat eyes in the sky" reminds me that zeta scorpii, a double star right
below NGC 6231, is sometimes known as the "little cat's eyes."

As it happened, it was in the session where I first tried out my
"catbird seat" using a large pillow that I found a new cluster soon
identified as NGC 6231, and learned about the name "little cat's
eyes."

Out of curiosity, may I ask what kind of magnifications you were
using with the 50mm refractor, if you still recall? With my 15X70
binoculars the cluster was quite prominent, but actually could have
stood a bit more magnification.

With many thanks,

Margo
 
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