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Bret Cahill
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:47 am
Guest
A candidate must serve the locals getting started, but later, when he
is humoring a national audience, the old local panderings may come
back to bite him on the fanny.

The transition from local to national isn't impossible but it does
require some planning.

It's very clear now that Obama wasn't planning. This is why the media
were pumping Obama. He would be easy to dump.

Either Obama was misrepresenting himself in Chicago or he is
misrepresenting himself now.

Or both.

There is no way around that truth.


Bret Cahill
Immortalist
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:55 pm
Guest
On Apr 30, 2:47 pm, Bret Cahill <BretCah...@aol.com> wrote:
Quote:
A candidate must serve the locals getting started, but later, when he
is humoring a national audience, the old local panderings may come
back to bite him on the fanny.

The transition from local to national isn't impossible but it does
require some planning.

It's very clear now that Obama wasn't planning.  This is why the media
were pumping Obama.  He would be easy to dump.

Either Obama was misrepresenting himself in Chicago or he is
misrepresenting himself now.

Or both.

There is no way around that truth.


Except if he gets more delegate and superdelegate votes. Unless even
if he wins the media can convince us that it didn't really happen and
he is not really the Democrat candidate. Maybe they could get us to
ignore the guy the party says is the candidate if he does win, you
know media can fool you guys pretty good anyway just look at the news
today;

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080501/D90CJFDO0.html
http://drudgereport.com/
> Bret Cahill
Guest
Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 4:09 am
Quote:
A candidate must serve the locals getting started, but later, when he
is humoring a national audience, the old local panderings may come
back to bite him on the fanny.

The transition from local to national isn't impossible but it does
require some planning.

It's very clear now that Obama wasn't planning. �This is why the media
were pumping Obama. �He would be easy to dump.

Either Obama was misrepresenting himself in Chicago or he is
misrepresenting himself now.

Or both.

There is no way around that truth.

Except if he gets more delegate and superdelegate votes.

The superdelegates need to look at Hillary's 9 point and growing lead
over McBush.

Obama is in reality 7 points behind McBush and that will not improve
and may get worse.

Quote:
Unless even
if he wins the media can convince us that it didn't really happen and
he is not really the Democrat candidate.

The jingoistic media (9/11 chaged EEEEEVERything) were gushing "Obama
you are sooo beeeauuuutiful" just to dump him so we can stay in Iraq
100 years.

Quote:
Maybe they could get us to
ignore the guy the party says is the candidate if he does win,

Win what? Open primaries where Repugs voted?

Caucuses where the media intimidated the voters?

Small red neck states that will certainly go to McBush?

There's talk about Obama putting _California_ into play.

Quote:
you
know media can fool you guys pretty good

They certainly gush hyped "Obama you are soooo beeeeauuuutiful"
enough.


Bret Cahill
Sean
Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 10:14 am
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"Bret Cahill" <BretCahill@aol.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
A candidate must serve the locals getting started, but later, when he
is humoring a national audience, the old local panderings may come
back to bite him on the fanny.

The transition from local to national isn't impossible but it does
require some planning.

It's very clear now that Obama wasn't planning. This is why the media
were pumping Obama. He would be easy to dump.

Either Obama was misrepresenting himself in Chicago or he is
misrepresenting himself now.

Or both.

There is no way around that truth.


Bret Cahill



Bret, america isn't ready for an Obama, and it's got nothing to do with him
being coloured.

In recent history there's been 2 Presidents with incredibly wise intellects.
Kennedy and Clinton. The rest run a very distant second last to Bush II at
the tail.

Besides their mental abilities both Kennedy and Clinton had two other really
good qualities. Natural leadership skills, and a heart to balance the mind.

Obama is the only person I have seen pop up in US politics in recent times
that even comes close to these two. He hasn't been leading by accident, and
he isn't streets ahead of what people expected to achieve a year ago by
accident, it's called talent for the Job. Hilary is a dead loss, but if
America wants to go that road for the expereince, it's their choice.

fwiw McCain is old enough from a gone by day to have retired 15 years ago.

If Obama does get the nod, he'll beat McCain hands down. [ 55-45% ] If
Hillary wins the nomination she'll get caned and McCain will win by default.
She is not up to the job. Sorry, but that's how it looks to me.

All my opinion, fwiw, probably zilch. Not up to me to vote. You choose. A
Democrat or a Republican to win? Wink
zinnic
Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 2:36 pm
Guest
On May 1, 10:14 am, "Sean" <waz...@bro.org> wrote:
Quote:
"Bret Cahill" <BretCah...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:c6e1aef5-3f75-453e-8fc2-d01d9fd833c5@y22g2000prd.googlegroups.com...





A candidate must serve the locals getting started, but later, when he
is humoring a national audience, the old local panderings may come
back to bite him on the fanny.

The transition from local to national isn't impossible but it does
require some planning.

It's very clear now that Obama wasn't planning.  This is why the media
were pumping Obama.  He would be easy to dump.

Either Obama was misrepresenting himself in Chicago or he is
misrepresenting himself now.

Or both.

There is no way around that truth.

Bret Cahill

Bret, america isn't ready for an Obama, and it's got nothing to do with him
being coloured.

In recent history there's been 2 Presidents with incredibly wise intellects.
Kennedy and Clinton. The rest run a very distant second last to Bush II at
the tail.

Besides their mental abilities both Kennedy and Clinton had two other really
good qualities. Natural leadership skills, and a heart to balance the mind..

Obama is the only person I have seen pop up in US politics in recent times
that even comes close to these two. He hasn't been leading by accident, and
he isn't streets ahead of what people expected to achieve a year ago by
accident, it's called talent for the Job. Hilary is a dead loss, but if
America wants to go that road for the expereince, it's their choice.

fwiw McCain is old enough from a gone by day to have retired 15 years ago.

If Obama does get the nod, he'll beat McCain hands down. [ 55-45% ] If
Hillary wins the nomination she'll get caned and McCain will win by default.
She is not up to the job. Sorry, but that's how it looks to me.

All my opinion, fwiw, probably zilch. Not up to me to vote. You choose. A
Democrat or a Republican to win? Wink- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Sean, I beg to differ.
I am shocked that you ascribe "incredibly wise intellects" to Kennedy
and Clinton. In my view their political 'connections' or political
'smarts' were responsible for their elections. I see a total lack of
wisdom in their lack of respect for the Presidency (and for the
'public for which it stands') when both indulged their sexual
peccadillos whilst in office.
Kennedy was cut short before he could prove himself. Clinton enjoyed
an unparalelled technological/economoic surge whilst he was in office
but has proved to be an opportunist nonpariel! A grimy money grubber!
Hillary? Where would she be if she were not an ex-president's formal
bed fellow?
OBama? Is there realy some hope?
Zinnic
turtoni
Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 3:51 pm
Guest
On May 1, 8:36 pm, zinnic <zeenr...@gate.net> wrote:
Quote:
On May 1, 10:14 am, "Sean" <waz...@bro.org> wrote:





"Bret Cahill" <BretCah...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:c6e1aef5-3f75-453e-8fc2-d01d9fd833c5@y22g2000prd.googlegroups.com...

A candidate must serve the locals getting started, but later, when he
is humoring a national audience, the old local panderings may come
back to bite him on the fanny.

The transition from local to national isn't impossible but it does
require some planning.

It's very clear now that Obama wasn't planning.  This is why the media
were pumping Obama.  He would be easy to dump.

Either Obama was misrepresenting himself in Chicago or he is
misrepresenting himself now.

Or both.

There is no way around that truth.

Bret Cahill

Bret, america isn't ready for an Obama, and it's got nothing to do with him
being coloured.

In recent history there's been 2 Presidents with incredibly wise intellects.
Kennedy and Clinton. The rest run a very distant second last to Bush II at
the tail.

Besides their mental abilities both Kennedy and Clinton had two other really
good qualities. Natural leadership skills, and a heart to balance the mind.

Obama is the only person I have seen pop up in US politics in recent times
that even comes close to these two. He hasn't been leading by accident, and
he isn't streets ahead of what people expected to achieve a year ago by
accident, it's called talent for the Job. Hilary is a dead loss, but if
America wants to go that road for the expereince, it's their choice.

fwiw McCain is old enough from a gone by day to have retired 15 years ago.

If Obama does get the nod, he'll beat McCain hands down. [ 55-45% ] If
Hillary wins the nomination she'll get caned and McCain will win by default.
She is not up to the job. Sorry, but that's how it looks to me.

All my opinion, fwiw, probably zilch. Not up to me to vote. You choose. A
Democrat or a Republican to win? Wink- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Sean, I beg to differ.
I am shocked that you ascribe "incredibly wise intellects"  to Kennedy
and Clinton. In my view their political 'connections' or political
'smarts' were responsible for their elections. I see a total lack of
wisdom in their lack of respect for the Presidency (and  for the
'public for which it stands') when both indulged their sexual
peccadillos whilst in office.
Kennedy was cut short before he could prove himself. Clinton enjoyed
an unparalelled technological/economoic surge whilst he was in office
but has  proved to be an opportunist nonpariel! A grimy money grubber!
Hillary? Where would she be if she were not an ex-president's formal
bed fellow?
OBama? Is there realy some hope?
Zinnic

even though the country is looking to change party for the sake of
changing party after a war and some recent "poor" economics, it looks
like the dems have screwed up yet again when it should be getting
handed to them on a platter.
Guest
Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 5:27 pm
Quote:
If Obama does get the nod,

The media who were pumping him ("Obama, you are sooo beeeauuutiful")
will immediately start hyping madrasses as soon as he's nominated.

Quote:
he'll beat McCain hands down. [ 55-45% ]

Obama polls the same as McBush and when a black candidate polls the
same as a white, that means he's 7 points behind on the secret
ballot. We saw this in the _Democratic_ primaries.

As it stands now, he'll probably lost the swing states and may even
lose the popular vote. There's even talk that Obama will put
California into play.

Obama was gush hyped by the very media who want us in Iraq for 100
years for that very reason..

Now this doesn't mean Obama will necessarily lose. The GOP is going
the way of the UK Tories and the Canadian Conservatives. The jihad
media may very well be too clever by half. Obama could be leading
McBush by 7 - 8 points by November.

Quote:
If
Hillary wins the nomination she'll get caned and McCain will win by default.

Hillary has all the big states and all the swing states. She's
already is ahead by 9 points and that is increasing. Even more
important is the fact that Repugs simply will not run against the
Clintons.

Hillary will win by 15 points.

Quote:
She is not up to the job.

I don't agree with her on everything but hers is without question the
most issues oriented campaign in decades.


Bret Cahill
Sean
Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 11:59 pm
Guest
"zinnic" <zeenric2@gate.net> wrote in message
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On May 1, 10:14 am, "Sean" <waz...@bro.org> wrote:
Quote:
"Bret Cahill" <BretCah...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:c6e1aef5-3f75-453e-8fc2-d01d9fd833c5@y22g2000prd.googlegroups.com...





A candidate must serve the locals getting started, but later, when he
is humoring a national audience, the old local panderings may come
back to bite him on the fanny.

The transition from local to national isn't impossible but it does
require some planning.

It's very clear now that Obama wasn't planning. This is why the media
were pumping Obama. He would be easy to dump.

Either Obama was misrepresenting himself in Chicago or he is
misrepresenting himself now.

Or both.

There is no way around that truth.

Bret Cahill

Bret, america isn't ready for an Obama, and it's got nothing to do with
him
being coloured.

In recent history there's been 2 Presidents with incredibly wise
intellects.
Kennedy and Clinton. The rest run a very distant second last to Bush II at
the tail.

Besides their mental abilities both Kennedy and Clinton had two other
really
good qualities. Natural leadership skills, and a heart to balance the
mind.

Obama is the only person I have seen pop up in US politics in recent times
that even comes close to these two. He hasn't been leading by accident,
and
he isn't streets ahead of what people expected to achieve a year ago by
accident, it's called talent for the Job. Hilary is a dead loss, but if
America wants to go that road for the expereince, it's their choice.

fwiw McCain is old enough from a gone by day to have retired 15 years ago.

If Obama does get the nod, he'll beat McCain hands down. [ 55-45% ] If
Hillary wins the nomination she'll get caned and McCain will win by
default.
She is not up to the job. Sorry, but that's how it looks to me.

All my opinion, fwiw, probably zilch. Not up to me to vote. You choose. A
Democrat or a Republican to win? Wink- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Sean, I beg to differ.
I am shocked that you ascribe "incredibly wise intellects" to Kennedy
and Clinton. In my view their political 'connections' or political
'smarts' were responsible for their elections. I see a total lack of
wisdom in their lack of respect for the Presidency (and for the
'public for which it stands') when both indulged their sexual
peccadillos whilst in office.

Sean:
Would prefer a supposedly celibate priest or pope in office? ;-)

And you tell yourself honestly .... if Marilyn sang happy birthday to you
like she did to JFL, you'd not be interested at all right? You'd be able to
resist? Wink
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Kennedy was cut short before he could prove himself. Clinton enjoyed
an unparalelled technological/economoic surge whilst he was in office
but has proved to be an opportunist nonpariel! A grimy money grubber!

Sean:
Hey, so what's wrong with having a few bucks?


Hillary? Where would she be if she were not an ex-president's formal
bed fellow?

Sean:
I reckon no where. A suburban lawyer, or a county DA?

OBama? Is there really some hope?
Zinnic


SEAN: Always hope Sri Zinnic.
anyway, seriously ... i'm not commenting on their excessive behaviours, or
the luck Clinton had with the economy etc .... but whenever i have seen
those guys or read their speeches, or answering questions, and look at the
"strategic" decisions they made in their day and moment .... I see much
wisdom and intelligence in how they carried the Office. They had a grasp of
many things , niot the lest being really good people, management and
leadership skills - as they set a course and they the nation going there.

Kennedy's vision and nuance of knowing it might just be able to get done -
to fly to the moon before the end of a decade paid dividends for the USA for
decades after right thru to today in all manner of forms.

That's what I mean by intelligent, and leadership. They could both grasp
minute details and the big picture. they were both very smart and savvy men.
Except when it came to women etc. That happens to be not an uncommon trait
in any man, but those in power with lot's of energy ... well. Be fair. ;-)

cheers.

Oh ps ... I see the same big picture visions, and intellect and memory, and
grasping the crux of what's really important in Obama. There's something
about him that rises above the rest of the "floock", and i think many have
seen that, especially those in his personal presence at a meeting or speech.
He commands respect [ irrespective of one's opinions about the
political/ideological viewpoint ] .

He may not get there this time, but he or another will one day step up.
You've had enough Bush's etc, time someone wise who can also articulate the
real will of the american people and head in a positive clear direction
again. Hilary, well she simply leaves me and anyone who hears/sees her cold
..... this all feedback from across the pacific. so it means zilch. I just
think that americans overall really crave a new type of energy. Our current
new PM is a breath of fresh air, in his approach and his serious work ethic,
and long term vision and getting people together to discuss the real
important issues. Real leadeship iow [ not perfect, just a very very
different ]

all fwiw zinn, cheers Wink
Sean
Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 12:15 am
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<BretCahill@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
If Obama does get the nod,

The media who were pumping him ("Obama, you are sooo beeeauuutiful")
will immediately start hyping madrasses as soon as he's nominated.

he'll beat McCain hands down. [ 55-45% ]

Obama polls the same as McBush and when a black candidate polls the
same as a white, that means he's 7 points behind on the secret
ballot. We saw this in the _Democratic_ primaries.

As it stands now, he'll probably lost the swing states and may even
lose the popular vote. There's even talk that Obama will put
California into play.

Obama was gush hyped by the very media who want us in Iraq for 100
years for that very reason..

Now this doesn't mean Obama will necessarily lose. The GOP is going
the way of the UK Tories and the Canadian Conservatives. The jihad
media may very well be too clever by half. Obama could be leading
McBush by 7 - 8 points by November.

If
Hillary wins the nomination she'll get caned and McCain will win by
default.

Hillary has all the big states and all the swing states. She's
already is ahead by 9 points and that is increasing. Even more
important is the fact that Repugs simply will not run against the
Clintons.

Hillary will win by 15 points.

She is not up to the job.

I don't agree with her on everything but hers is without question the
most issues oriented campaign in decades.


Bret Cahill



Well we'll see soon enough what unfolds .... one thing is for sure, it's
been interesting to observe the last 6 months or so. You'll get there Wink
 
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