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| G=EMC^2 Glazier |
 Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 6:59 am |
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In our present spacetime we have a pretty good structure of our solar
system all the way out to Pluto. This does not seem to change our
thoughts on how it came to be. We still have no really good answers to
hard questions. We still fudge. Just knowing how hydrogen and helium
gas acts in the vacuum of space,and then having gravity compressing
these two gases to a point when fusion starts needs much more good
thinking. I can think of so many more questions that have such weak
theories relating to our solar system it makes me laugh. Bert |
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| BradGuth |
| Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 7:25 am |
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On Apr 26, 4:59 am, herbertglaz...@webtv.net (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:
Quote: In our present spacetime we have a pretty good structure of our solar
system all the way out to Pluto. This does not seem to change our
thoughts on how it came to be. We still have no really good answers to
hard questions. We still fudge. Just knowing how hydrogen and helium
gas acts in the vacuum of space,and then having gravity compressing
these two gases to a point when fusion starts needs much more good
thinking. I can think of so many more questions that have such weak
theories relating to our solar system it makes me laugh. Bert
We do not even have an honest freaking clue as to ice of any sort
coexisting in 1AU space, much less upon our double-IR toasty or
otherwise frozen to death moon.
Why is the peer replicated physics and hard measured science of ice in
space still so hocus-pocus, as though taboo/nondisclosure rated?
What about all of that hot sodium coming off our gamma and X-ray
saturated moon?
.. - Brad Guth |
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| Mark F. |
| Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:45 am |
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". This does not seem to change our
Quote: thoughts on how it came to be.
Who's thoughts?
Do NOT lump me in with the rest of humanity!
Mark |
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| G=EMC^2 Glazier |
| Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 7:56 am |
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Brad Hocus pocus goes well with humankind's thinking when answers can't
be found for how the universe is structured. Anthropic theories come in.
Religion jumps in. Fairy tales that start with "Once upon a time" Sad
but true Go figure Bert |
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| G=EMC^2 Glazier |
| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:58 am |
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| What is the force of Sun's gravity on Pluto? bert |
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| BradGuth |
| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:45 am |
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On Apr 28, 4:58 am, herbertglaz...@webtv.net (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:
Quote: What is the force of Sun's gravity on Pluto? bert
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2005/01nov_moonsofpluto.htm
“These are tiny moons. Their estimated diameters lie between 40 and
125 miles (64 and 200 kilometers). Charon, for comparison, is about
730 miles (1170 km) wide, while Pluto itself has a diameter of about
1410 miles (2270 km).”
Pluto = 2.125e-3 earth = 1.27e22 kg (not including it’s three
planetoids/moons)
Pluto average distance = 5.91352e12 m
Avg. orbital velocity = 4.74e3 m/s
Centripetal Force = Tidal Binding Force(TBF) or Binding Energy(TBE)
http://www.mill-creek-systems.com/se/SEGravity.htm
centripetal force = 48.2519e15 Newtons/sec (10.848e15 lbs/sec)
Impressive, isn't it. Better yet if we included the local mass of
those three little moons.
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| BradGuth |
| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:53 am |
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On Apr 27, 5:56 am, herbertglaz...@webtv.net (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:
Quote: Brad Hocus pocus goes well with humankind's thinking when answers can't
be found for how the universe is structured. Anthropic theories come in.
Religion jumps in. Fairy tales that start with "Once upon a time" Sad
but true Go figure Bert
And best of all, if you don't happen to like whatever someone is
saying or thinking, you can always put them of a stick for another one
of those faith-based PR stunts, then continually deny having anything
whatsoever to do with it. Otherwise there's always witch and book
burnings. Isn't intelligent life on Earth good, or what!
.. - Brad Guth |
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| BradGuth |
| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:40 am |
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Rogue stars, planets and those pesky icy proto-moons do exist, as
somewhat created on the fly (so to speak). It’s likely where our
passive sun came from, as well as for a few of our planets and
associated moons that don’t seem to fit the Old Testament
interpretation as the one and only holy grail of what’s mainstream
status quo, or bust.
Tidal binding force of a given solar system is rather impressive, but
almost nothing compared to the cosmic tidal binding force of entire
galaxies that host such SMBH cores in addition to all else combined,
and especially offering an extended tidal grasping reach between those
galaxies mutually attracting upon one another.
Pluto = 2.125e-3 earth = 1.27e22 kg (not including it’s three
planetoids/moons)
Pluto average distance = 5.91352e12 m
Avg. orbital velocity = 4.74e3 m/s
Centripetal Force = Tidal Binding Force(TBF) or Binding Energy(TBE),
is the same exact worth as the following.
http://www.mill-creek-systems.com/se/SEGravity.htm
centripetal force = 48.2519e15 Newtons/sec (10.848e15 lbs/sec)
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2005/01nov_moonsofpluto.htm
“These are tiny moons. Their estimated diameters lie between 40 and
125 miles (64 and 200 kilometers). Charon, for comparison, is about
730 miles (1170 km) wide, while Pluto itself has a diameter of about
1410 miles (2270 km).”
Even Sedna at its furthest reach and of such little mass hasn’t a
chance at escaping the mutual binding worth of tidal grasp without
help, at least not until our Sun as consumed much of itself, having
gone into its red giant phase, thus leaving behind a mere spent brown
dwarf of a sun that hasn’t sufficient mass to even hold onto the likes
of Earth, much less Sedna.
. – Brad Guth
Before the supposed singular BB, there was supposedly just our one and
only SMBH (aka God fart or Semitic Massive Black Hole) surrounded in
all possible directions by less than one messily atom per cubic light
year, without any other photons or gravitons anywhere in sight. (ideal
faith-based mindset)
OOPS!, talk about cosmic shrinkage and having another one of those bad
God days. Here’s a few faith testing images of galactic encounters,
of the worse possible kind. (a series of God oops resets, as recorded
by team Hubble)
The best of 59 examples of cosmic hell busting lose, not that many
other than these relatively old Hubble images of the anti-big-bang
exist. Each of these galaxies has a fairly horrific gravity/tidal
radius of several thousand light years (perhaps at least as great as
64r, if not 256r), not to mention the mutual attraction of whatever a
pair or more of these bad boys has to work with, whereas you might
like to further reconsider the mutual gravity/tidal binding grasp of
two or more such encounters is perhaps worth 4X the individual tidal
radius. (hard to avoid gravity, especially when it’s the only game in
town)
http://www.sciam.com/gallery_directory.cfm?photo_id=8153DC82-A24D-3D07-8B32672098BE3984
http://www6.comcast.net/news/science/galaxies/slideshow/view/1/
What is the mutual cosmic gravity/tidal binding reach of our Milky Way
and that of Andromeda? (1024r?)
Try to remember that our moon and Earth represents an impressive
mutual tidal grasp of 2e20 N at better than 60r, and our Sun/Pluto
average tidal reach is obviously worth 10,060r, not to mention
whatever Sedna might suggest. Obviously, if this mutual tidal radius
of binding force wasn’t there to behold, we’d be losing our grip on
such wussy little items as Pluto and Sedna, especially when our solar
system trekked anywhere near the 3X solar mass of Sirius would become
capable of adding or subtracting items (aka cosmic foreign exchange,
so to speak).
. – BG
On Apr 26, 4:59 am, herbertglaz...@webtv.net (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:
Quote: In our present spacetime we have a pretty good structure of our solar
system all the way out to Pluto. This does not seem to change our
thoughts on how it came to be. We still have no really good answers to
hard questions. We still fudge. Just knowing how hydrogen and helium
gas acts in the vacuum of space,and then having gravity compressing
these two gases to a point when fusion starts needs much more good
thinking. I can think of so many more questions that have such weak
theories relating to our solar system it makes me laugh. Bert |
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