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| stryped |
 Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:03 am |
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I received a single 7x9 clopay garage door from someone replacing
their door. It has all the hardware and even the installation
instructions. I have been for a week trying to “retrofit” it to my
12x16 shed.
I have the track installed and can manually move it up or down but
have tried and tried and cant get the torsion spring to work in
helping with raising and lowering the door. I have done it countless
times all that ends up happening is the wire on the pulleys on both
ends end up “birdnesting” and going everywhere. Yesterday it actually
helped bull it up before it finally birdnested.
What can I do? Would having one pulley slightly higher than the other
cause this problem? I have had to do the best job I could with the
limited room I have.
Another thing I noticed is when I manually raise the door, the bottom
roller seems to be in a different place on the track on one side
verses the other. I measured the tracks on both sides though and they
seem to be the same height.
One last thing when I put it all the way up the end of the door just
barely touched a support on my shed roof. Just enough where the door
wants to come down rather than stay in the upright position. Is there
something I can add or do to keep the door up?
Anyway I appreciate any help as this is driving me nuts and my wife
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tired of me spending all my time on this! |
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| glyford@gmail.com |
| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:05 am |
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Quote: What can I do? Would having one pulley slightly higher than the other
cause this problem?
Possibly. I've had good luck using the extension style springs, my
understanding is that they're less fussy. If you have the room for
it, you might want to consider switching the door over to that style.
There's a way to calculate/measure the needed spring values, but I
don't have it at hand at the moment.
--Glenn Lyford |
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| stryped |
| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:38 am |
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On Apr 29, 12:05 pm, "glyf...@gmail.com" <glyf...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: What can I do? Would having one pulley slightly higher than the other
cause this problem?
Possibly. I've had good luck using the extension style springs, my
understanding is that they're less fussy. If you have the room for
it, you might want to consider switching the door over to that style.
There's a way to calculate/measure the needed spring values, but I
don't have it at hand at the moment.
--Glenn Lyford
What do I need for that? Yes, I have the room. That is just where a
spring and a puley are used right? |
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| glyford@gmail.com |
| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:54 am |
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On Apr 29, 12:38 pm, stryped <stry...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote: On Apr 29, 12:05 pm, "glyf...@gmail.com" <glyf...@gmail.com> wrote:
What can I do? Would having one pulley slightly higher than the other
cause this problem?
Possibly. I've had good luck using the extension style springs, my
understanding is that they're less fussy. If you have the room for
it, you might want to consider switching the door over to that style.
There's a way to calculate/measure the needed spring values, but I
don't have it at hand at the moment.
--Glenn Lyford
What do I need for that? Yes, I have the room. That is just where a
spring and a puley are used right?
Two pulleys, actually. One at the top of the upright section of track
so that the cable takes a right turn from vertical to horizontal, and
another that the end of the spring hooks onto. The last end of the
lift cable then attaches back near the first cable (in essence, the
spring has to work twice as hard, but move half as far).
Tension is adjusted so that the spring has no tension when the door is
all the way up, but not so loose that the cable falls off the
pulleys. Select spring ratings so that they just ballance the weight
of the door. This stuff is out on the net, too, for a more detailed
explanation and a few helpful cautions and such.
There is a second cable for safety that runs through the middle of the
spring, straight, which does not affect its operation, but is intended
to catch all the bits and pieces if the spring work hardens and
breaks.
If you go to any of the big box home stores they should have all the
necessary bits and pieces in their replacement parts section...
--Glenn Lyford |
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| Martin H. Eastburn |
| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:31 pm |
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Might be the old wire is just kinky now it is off.
Once stretched, it doesn't go back.
With luck, a pro installer will be on line.
Martin
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stryped wrote:
Quote: I received a single 7x9 clopay garage door from someone replacing
their door. It has all the hardware and even the installation
instructions. I have been for a week trying to “retrofit” it to my
12x16 shed.
I have the track installed and can manually move it up or down but
have tried and tried and cant get the torsion spring to work in
helping with raising and lowering the door. I have done it countless
times all that ends up happening is the wire on the pulleys on both
ends end up “birdnesting” and going everywhere. Yesterday it actually
helped bull it up before it finally birdnested.
What can I do? Would having one pulley slightly higher than the other
cause this problem? I have had to do the best job I could with the
limited room I have.
Another thing I noticed is when I manually raise the door, the bottom
roller seems to be in a different place on the track on one side
verses the other. I measured the tracks on both sides though and they
seem to be the same height.
One last thing when I put it all the way up the end of the door just
barely touched a support on my shed roof. Just enough where the door
wants to come down rather than stay in the upright position. Is there
something I can add or do to keep the door up?
Anyway I appreciate any help as this is driving me nuts and my wife
is
tired of me spending all my time on this!
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:02 am |
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On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:03:17 -0700 (PDT), stryped
<stryped@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote: I received a single 7x9 clopay garage door from someone replacing
their door. It has all the hardware and even the installation
instructions. I have been for a week trying to “retrofit” it to my
12x16 shed.
I have the track installed and can manually move it up or down but
have tried and tried and cant get the torsion spring to work in
helping with raising and lowering the door. I have done it countless
times all that ends up happening is the wire on the pulleys on both
ends end up “birdnesting” and going everywhere. Yesterday it actually
helped bull it up before it finally birdnested.
What can I do? Would having one pulley slightly higher than the other
cause this problem? I have had to do the best job I could with the
limited room I have.
Start by setting the pulleys so that both cables are equally tight
with the door lowered. You might have to clock the pulleys on the
shaft so that the clamp bolts aren't trying to settle into previous
"dents" on the shaft. Tighten the bolts on one pulley and rotate the
shaft until the cable is tight. Then clamp a visegrip on the shaft,
oriented so that it's jammed against the wall to prevent the shaft
from turning and unwinding the cable. Now tighten the bolts on the
other pulley so its cable is tight. Then wind up the spring and
tighten the clamp bolts. It tends to take about 7 turns of the clamp
anchor IIRC, but you'll have to experiment until you get it right.
Don't forget to lock the shaft with the visegrips each time you
readjust. And be extra careful, lots of people get hurt installing
garage doors. Make sure that the turning bars are a good fit and are
fully inserted before you crank on them. I keep a spare bar and a
spare wrench in my pocket in case I drop either.
Quote: Another thing I noticed is when I manually raise the door, the bottom
roller seems to be in a different place on the track on one side
verses the other. I measured the tracks on both sides though and they
seem to be the same height.
Sounds like the cables aren't equally tight. Make sure that the door
isn't binding anywhere. The tracks should be oriented so that as the
door rises it comes away from the wall.
Quote: One last thing when I put it all the way up the end of the door just
barely touched a support on my shed roof. Just enough where the door
wants to come down rather than stay in the upright position. Is there
something I can add or do to keep the door up?
Once properly adjusted, the spring should hold the door in any
position, and the cables always stay tensioned. Take care that the
door operates cleanly and isn't so crooked or whatever that it's
trying to come off the tracks. You'll have a real mess on your hands
if one cable comes off when the door is partway up. And an even bigger
headache if it falls on your car or worse.
Quote: Anyway I appreciate any help as this is driving me nuts and my wife
is
tired of me spending all my time on this!
I think you'll find that once you've figured out the correct sequence,
it should only take about ten minutes.
Wayne |
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