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Guest
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:11 am
Once again I need help regarding a water delivery system here at the
remote ranch I live on. I hate asking for help; many kind people in
this newsgroup have answered my questions about 16 months ago on the
same subject.

We have a fresh-water spring coming out of a hill about 130 feet above
the ranch. At the 100 foot mark there is a good spot to bury (3 feet /
1 meter deep) a water deposit, where that spring water will flow. The
collection deposit will be a 55-gallon steel drum. Water will flow
into the drum from above, and there will be a pipe sticking out of the
drum for a vacuum break.

At the bottom of the drum there will be a pipe doing down the hill,
also buried a meter deep, which will deliver water to the ranch.

With this set-up we hope to have the standard USA head feet / water
pressure to run a shower and other water devices.

My question is, does anyone think we need vacuum breaks along the pipe
going from the drum deposit, down the hill, to the ranch area?

As I understand the dynamics involved, pipe diameter regulates flow
rate and deposit size regulates capacity. What happens if we put a 90
degree elbow down below at the ranch? We plan on reducing the 1.25-
inch diameter pipe when it reaches the ranch, and going to 0.75-inch:
am I correct that doing so will only modify flow rate, not pressure?

It really sucks being uneducated, so any kind person who offers
answers and suggestions will be lauded and heaped with thanks from
me. Smile
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Douglas Eagleson
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:37 am
Guest
On Apr 29, 8:11 am, Desertph...@gmail.com wrote:
Quote:
Once again I need help regarding a water delivery system here at the
remote ranch I live on. I hate asking for help; many kind people in
this newsgroup have answered my questions about 16 months ago on the
same subject.

We have a fresh-water spring coming out of a hill about 130 feet above
the ranch. At the 100 foot mark there is a good spot to bury (3 feet /
1 meter deep) a water deposit, where that spring water will flow. The
collection deposit will be a 55-gallon steel drum. Water will flow
into the drum from above, and there will be a pipe sticking out of the
drum for a vacuum break.

At the bottom of the drum there will be a pipe doing down the hill,
also buried a meter deep, which will deliver water to the ranch.

With this set-up we hope to have the standard USA head feet / water
pressure to run a shower and other water devices.

My question is, does anyone think we need vacuum breaks along the pipe
going from the drum deposit, down the hill, to the ranch area?

As I understand the dynamics involved, pipe diameter regulates flow
rate and deposit size regulates capacity. What happens if we put a 90
degree elbow down below at the ranch? We plan on reducing the 1.25-
inch diameter pipe when it reaches the ranch, and going to 0.75-inch:
am I correct that doing so will only modify flow rate, not pressure?

It really sucks being uneducated, so any kind person who offers
answers and suggestions will be lauded and heaped with thanks from
me. Smile

It is hard to design. A large regular water pump tank with the air
bladder should model the system ok.

When installing the tank in the hill pressurize it so a vacuum does
not occur in the tank and disrupt water flow.

Maybe run a second 3/4 inch line and air line from the house to the
tank in the hill. This will allow atmospheric pressure in the hill
tank. Or the air can be vented. It is complicated because you need
to pressurize the tank. SO my idea of the second line means it will
flow with water sometimes. The problem is getting to much air in the
hillside tank.

That is why a sealed tank with a bladder works so nicely. You can use
a rubber tire for a bladder and fill to 20 psi. Maintenence would be
difficult.

Doublelines allows a hand valve in the house to reset the hillside
tank level without using a bladder. A water level guage in the house
can not be easily fashioned. When the shower runs out fast drain air
out, of the second line, until water flows to fill the hillside tank.
A vacumm check valve, on the second line, means always resetting the
water level.

Maybe a good old electric gas tank guage could be used to see the tank
level. Run some electricity to the hill.

Just be reminded that once you place check valves too open the air
system, It screws up. Just run the two lines and electric guage and a
hand adjustment system alteast gets you started.

A large 55 gallon water pump tank might be found, but it would cost
alot. Andmaking a car tire version sould maintenence heavy.
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Peter Fairbrother
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:27 pm
Guest
Desertphile@gmail.com wrote:
Quote:
Once again I need help regarding a water delivery system here at the
remote ranch I live on. I hate asking for help; many kind people in
this newsgroup have answered my questions about 16 months ago on the
same subject.

We have a fresh-water spring coming out of a hill about 130 feet above
the ranch. At the 100 foot mark there is a good spot to bury (3 feet /
1 meter deep) a water deposit, where that spring water will flow. The
collection deposit will be a 55-gallon steel drum. Water will flow
into the drum from above, and there will be a pipe sticking out of the
drum for a vacuum break.

At the bottom of the drum there will be a pipe doing down the hill,
also buried a meter deep, which will deliver water to the ranch.

With this set-up we hope to have the standard USA head feet / water
pressure to run a shower and other water devices.

No problem.
Quote:

My question is, does anyone think we need vacuum breaks along the pipe
going from the drum deposit, down the hill, to the ranch area?

No.

Quote:

As I understand the dynamics involved, pipe diameter regulates flow
rate and deposit size regulates capacity. What happens if we put a 90
degree elbow down below at the ranch?

Nothing bad.

We plan on reducing the 1.25-
Quote:
inch diameter pipe when it reaches the ranch, and going to 0.75-inch:
am I correct that doing so will only modify flow rate, not pressure?

Yes.

Quote:

It really sucks being uneducated, so any kind person who offers
answers and suggestions will be lauded and heaped with thanks from
me. Smile


Your only likely problem is that the 55-gallon drum is not big enough,
but that depends on the flow rate of the spring and how much you'll use.

Otherwise it sounds fine.

-- Peter Fairbrother
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Tom
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 4:09 pm
Guest
Stop playing stupuid. I see your youtube videos. You are not dumb.


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Quote:
Once again I need help regarding a water delivery system here at the
remote ranch I live on. I hate asking for help; many kind people in
this newsgroup have answered my questions about 16 months ago on the
same subject.

We have a fresh-water spring coming out of a hill about 130 feet above
the ranch. At the 100 foot mark there is a good spot to bury (3 feet /
1 meter deep) a water deposit, where that spring water will flow. The
collection deposit will be a 55-gallon steel drum. Water will flow
into the drum from above, and there will be a pipe sticking out of the
drum for a vacuum break.

At the bottom of the drum there will be a pipe doing down the hill,
also buried a meter deep, which will deliver water to the ranch.

With this set-up we hope to have the standard USA head feet / water
pressure to run a shower and other water devices.

My question is, does anyone think we need vacuum breaks along the pipe
going from the drum deposit, down the hill, to the ranch area?

As I understand the dynamics involved, pipe diameter regulates flow
rate and deposit size regulates capacity. What happens if we put a 90
degree elbow down below at the ranch? We plan on reducing the 1.25-
inch diameter pipe when it reaches the ranch, and going to 0.75-inch:
am I correct that doing so will only modify flow rate, not pressure?

It really sucks being uneducated, so any kind person who offers
answers and suggestions will be lauded and heaped with thanks from
me. Smile
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