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| Pubkeybreaker |
Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:43 am |
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CarterBanks wrote:
Quote: "JSH" <jstevh@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7e2ee5cf-e95e-4e0e-8580-8974677f1717@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
Thanks for the replies so far. I will not reply to them all.
2. Do you believe that it is at all possible that mathematicians are
fraudulently and deliberately blocking those ideas?
Deliberately yes, in the one case where your paper was withdrawn because
of
errors, it is their responsibility to prevent substandard technical
content
(any paper with errors) from being published. No fraud involved, that is
too time consuming and complicated.
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Quote: but your paper did not get adequately
reviewed before publication, they should have rejected it earlier in the
process, and it was most likely the editor and crew did not have time to do
it.
The very submission of the paper was fraudulent on the part of Mr.
Harris.
The ideas in the paper had been presented in this forum, and he had
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| JM |
Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 3:49 am |
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"JSH" <jstevh@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote: I am curious about the effectiveness of the approach I have taken in
communicating mathematical ideas and research I feel is important, so
I am making this post to ask your opinion!
You can answer freely but I will give a few questions that reflect
areas that are of great interest to me, so responses to those question
would be appreciated:
1. Do you believe that I may have valuable mathematical ideas?
Hell, yes. Your mathematical ideas are probably the most valuable thing
you've got.
Quote: 2. Do you believe that it is at all possible that mathematicians are
fraudulently and deliberately blocking those ideas?
Almost certainly. There are many so-called 'mathematicians' diligently
preventing your work from being published.
Quote: 3. Can important ideas in factoring be presented loudly without
anyone around the world noticing or caring, like governments or
security agencies if those factoring ideas could lead to major
breaches in security?
No. The NSA continually monitor internet traffic and censor the word
*********. Also the word *******, and the words **** and
*********************.
Quote: 4. Have you heard me talk of a "z constraint"? Does that mean
anything to you?
I have. I'm wearing one, and it's very comfy.
Quote: 5. Do you think I should just shut-up, or should I post as much as I
want--like anyone else?
I think you should post *more* than you want, like no one else. That'll
show them.
Quote: 6. Why do you think so many posters reply to me?
Are we not getting a free voucher for Gap? That's what I was told.
Quote: 7. Do you trust mathematicians of today to tell the truth as best
they know about mathematical ideas and research regardless of the
source?
It depends what the source is. If it's The Sunday Sport, then no.
Your welcome. Keep up the good work.
J. Mori |
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| Angus Rodgers |
Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 4:25 am |
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On Fri, 7 Mar 2008 07:49:11 -0000, "JM" <Jmori@biguni> wrote:
Quote: The NSA continually monitor internet traffic
No, we don't.
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Angus Rodgers
(twirlip@ eats spam; reply to angusrod@)
Contains mild peril |
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| Noob |
Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:02 am |
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JM wrote:
Quote: Your welcome. Keep up the good work.
What of his welcome? |
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| Neilist |
Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 6:19 am |
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On Mar 5, 8:53 pm, amzoti <amz...@gmail.com> wrote:
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Quote: 6. Why do you think so many posters reply to me?
You are a super troll and you make very provacative statements - but
you are crazy!
How often can we talk to a nut from afar?
So you'd say that "James Harris is Nuts"TM
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| Neilist |
Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 6:21 am |
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On Mar 5, 9:28 pm, Mensanator <mensana...@aol.com> wrote:
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Quote: 6. Why do you think so many posters reply to me?
Why do so many people go to the circus?
Ha ha, yes!
Lest I dilute what you said, but I'd add that soooooo many people also
rubber-neck car accidents and watch NASCAR and the Indy 500 just for
high-speed car wrecks! |
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| Jesse F. Hughes |
Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 8:07 am |
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"CarterBanks" <spamless@nospam.com> writes:
Quote: Your paper was not part of the decision to close the math journal,
nor to remove papers from a website. It is all still public
information anyone can look at it in the library.
I suspect you've gone beyond the evidence at hand. What public
information do you mean?
I wouldn't be surprised at all if the mishandling of JSH's paper
played some role in the closure of the journal (but not because of an
insidious cover-up as JSH says).
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Jesse F. Hughes
"This post marks the end of an era in the world of mathematics."
-- James S. Harris and the demise of Galois theory |
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| Mike Coel |
Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:51 am |
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"Vend" <vend82@virgilio.it> wrote in message
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Quote: On 6 Mar, 02:31, JSH <jst...@gmail.com> wrote:
I am curious about the effectiveness of the approach I have taken in
communicating mathematical ideas and research I feel is important, so
I am making this post to ask your opinion!
You can answer freely but I will give a few questions that reflect
areas that are of great interest to me, so responses to those question
would be appreciated:
1. Do you believe that I may have valuable mathematical ideas?
Unlikely.
At least, you doesn't appear to have shown them, and I doubt you may
do in the future.
What does he know! You got a paper published!
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2. Do you believe that it is at all possible that mathematicians are
fraudulently and deliberately blocking those ideas?
No.
(don't belive him, he is one of them!!)
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3. Can important ideas in factoring be presented loudly without
anyone around the world noticing or caring, like governments or
security agencies if those factoring ideas could lead to major
breaches in security?
Loaded question: efficient factor methods would not cause major
security breaches.
(He is just saying that so you won't publish your results!!)
Quote: And anyway, analysis of security problems of widespread computation
and communication systems are regularly published despite the fact
that such knowledge actually causes security breaches. (Think about
the WEP flaws or the countless critical vulnerabilities in Internet
Explorer and Outlook).
Research on efficient factoring is also published. See Shor's quantum
algorithm, for instance.
4. Have you heard me talk of a "z constraint"? Does that mean
anything to you?
I'm not following your posts closely.
(sure, he's keeping an eye on you for sure....)
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5. Do you think I should just shut-up, or should I post as much as I
want--like anyone else?
You can post as much as you want, of course. But what's the point of
doing so?
JSH could and will discover new technology.
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6. Why do you think so many posters reply to me?
Because the love poking at you, I suppose.
JSH is right, and many don't like his sucess!
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7. Do you trust mathematicians of today to tell the truth as best
they know about mathematical ideas and research regardless of the
source?
What do you mean by 'regardless of the source' ?
cut and paste ??
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Thank you.
You're welcome.
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| G. Frege |
Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:53 pm |
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On Wed, 5 Mar 2008 17:31:45 -0800 (PST), JSH <jstevh@gmail.com> wrote:
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1. Do you believe that I may have valuable mathematical ideas?
No. Though one cannot be sure. I just didn't see any such ideas from
your side so far.
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2. Do you believe that it is at all possible that mathematicians are
fraudulently and deliberately blocking those ideas?
No, I don't think that this is possible. Since there are no valuable
mathematical ideas (from your side), there actually is noting "to
block".
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3. Can important ideas in factoring be presented loudly without
anyone around the world noticing or caring, like governments or
security agencies if those factoring ideas could lead to major
breaches in security?
Hardly.
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4. Have you heard me talk of a "z constraint"? Does that mean
anything to you?
No. It mean nothing to me. (Nor to anyone else, I guess.)
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5. Do you think I should just shut-up, or should I post as much as I
want--like anyone else?
Post as much as you want -- like anyone else. But maybe it would be a
good idea to read/study some textbooks instead, no?
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6. Why do you think so many posters reply to me?
Masochism?
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7. Do you trust mathematicians of today to tell the truth as best
they know about mathematical ideas and research regardless of the
source?
Depends. Some (most of them, imho) will and some maybe won't, I guess.
F.
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| JSH |
Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 7:36 pm |
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On Mar 7, 4:43 am, Pubkeybreaker <pubkeybrea...@aol.com> wrote:
Quote: CarterBanks wrote:
"JSH" <jst...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7e2ee5cf-e95e-4e0e-8580-8974677f1717@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
Thanks for the replies so far. I will not reply to them all.
2. Do you believe that it is at all possible that mathematicians are
fraudulently and deliberately blocking those ideas?
Deliberately yes, in the one case where your paper was withdrawn because
of
errors, it is their responsibility to prevent substandard technical
content
(any paper with errors) from being published. No fraud involved, that is
too time consuming and complicated.
snip
but your paper did not get adequately
reviewed before publication, they should have rejected it earlier in the
process, and it was most likely the editor and crew did not have time to do
it.
The very submission of the paper was fraudulent on the part of Mr.
Harris.
The ideas in the paper had been presented in this forum, and he had
ALEADY
been told by a number of professional mathematicians that they were
erroneous.
To date the paper has never been formally rejected.
Your appeal to the masses against the formal peer review process is
symptomatic of a mathematical community that does not follow its own
rules.
Usenet claims are not meritorious in contradiction to a formally
reviewed and published paper.
Period.
There is no debate on this issue.
The mass rule of Usenet is not recognized by academic society.
There is NO previous indication that mathematicians have ever accepted
Usenet as the dominant voice against formal peer review before or
after my paper.
NONE. NOTHING. NOTHING in the historical record.
NOTHING.
That you people can claim otherwise is a direct demonstration of the
double-think and outright lying that shows how willingly math people
will NOT FOLLOW THEIR OWN RULES when it suits them.
You people shut the door completely so that you can reject anyone even
if they manage to get a paper through your own system as you just
change the rules after the fact to attack that very system which you
then claim is sacrosanct when it's a paper you like, like that of
Andrew Wiles.
But my message then to the news people around the world is--don't
trust these people when they claim a supposedly great result.
Do not trust people who do not follow even their own rules.
James Harris |
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| Einstein |
Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 7:58 pm |
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1. Do you believe that I may have valuable mathematical ideas?
Possibly, and probably if you love math this much, just I cannot tell
due to the built in higher explanations.
2. Do you believe that it is at all possible that mathematicians are
fraudulently and deliberately blocking those ideas?
Yes because Global Warming is a fraud, perpetuated by so called
Scientists to get their funding increased, yes because relativity has
been broken and yet is still taught to protect the teachers who
learned relativity who would require years of schooling to learn the
truth, yes because theories against the mainstream require not just
'proofs' but a functional mechanism to throw in their face before they
will listen, let alone accept it.
3. Can important ideas in factoring be presented loudly without
anyone around the world noticing or caring, like governments or
security agencies if those factoring ideas could lead to major
breaches in security?
Security issues would still be there even if you did not create them.
Someone will. Ergo this argument has less weight, but is not
dismissable.
4. Have you heard me talk of a "z constraint"? Does that mean
anything to you?
No clue.
5. Do you think I should just shut-up, or should I post as much as I
want--like anyone else?
Post better walkthroughs so more laymen can understand it. Do
comparisons so that more laymen can understand them.
6. Why do you think so many posters reply to me?
Due to your volume I suspect.
7. Do you trust mathematicians of today to tell the truth as best
they know about mathematical ideas and research regardless of the
source?
No due to a scientist well known to 5% of scientists, well hell to
100% of scientists, but only liked by 5% having his correct
observations thrown under a train. The guy was right more often than
any Scientist in the last century and yet he is labeled in so many
ways as a fraud by the rest. He was able to show connections with
pulsars and nearby galaxies, and that pulsars are ejected from those
galaxies via the interactions between them. He was able to show red-
shifting math was not correct, to theorize prior to the space program
that space would be electrically charged (proven correct against all
others saying it was not with a single test) |
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| David R Tribble |
Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 6:50 am |
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Mensanator wrote:
Quote: 8. Can Veterans be trusted?
Dead ones can be.
Quote: 9. Does having a high IQ mean you're smarter than someone with a math degree?
If I have both, does that mean I'm smarter than myself?
Quote: 10. Are the people at alt.writing just jealous?
Hallmark has many enemies.
Quote: 11. Should David Ullrich be put in jail?
Some subset of them should be.
Quote: 12. If I can't factor a number, it must be prime, right?
Potentially prime, as in "potentially" infinite.
Quote: 13. Is a hyperbola just a parabola tipped sideways?
It is if you yourself are tipped sideways a bit. |
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| Wayne Brown |
Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 9:13 am |
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In sci.math JSH <jstevh@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: I am curious about the effectiveness of the approach I have taken in
communicating mathematical ideas and research I feel is important, so
I am making this post to ask your opinion!
I know this article is nearly two months old, but I haven't read sci.math
in a year or so, and it's been even longer than that since I took part
in one of your ludicrous and useless "polls," so here goes:
Quote:
You can answer freely but I will give a few questions that reflect
areas that are of great interest to me, so responses to those question
would be appreciated:
1. Do you believe that I may have valuable mathematical ideas?
No.
Quote:
2. Do you believe that it is at all possible that mathematicians are
fraudulently and deliberately blocking those ideas?
No.
Quote:
3. Can important ideas in factoring be presented loudly without
anyone around the world noticing or caring, like governments or
security agencies if those factoring ideas could lead to major
breaches in security?
No.
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4. Have you heard me talk of a "z constraint"? Does that mean
anything to you?
No, and no.
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5. Do you think I should just shut-up, or should I post as much as I
want--like anyone else?
Who cares? It makes no real difference either way.
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6. Why do you think so many posters reply to me?
Entertainment, boredom, naivete, misguided attempts to educate you, and
(my personal favorite) the fun of watching your meltdowns and temper
tantrums.
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7. Do you trust mathematicians of today to tell the truth as best
they know about mathematical ideas and research regardless of the
source?
Yes.
--
Wayne Brown <fwbrown@bellsouth.net>
Þæs ofereode, ðisses swa mæg. ("That passed away, this also can.")
from "Deor," in the Exeter Book (folios 100r-100v) |
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