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| Jonathan Silverlight |
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In message <20031222050105.12501.00004806@mb-m04.aol.com>, Richard Clark
<richclark7@aol.comedy> writes
Quote: Some final thoughts re: "Moonstep.wav" and manual landing:
In article <ITWCb.453341$0v4.20944461@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"Painius" <starswirler@aol.com> writes:
"Richard Clark" <richclark7@aol.comedy> wrote in message...
news:20031214032205.07934.00000888@mb-m16.aol.com...
"One small step for a man; one giant leap for mankind."
...one unexpected screw-up for a machine.
[RC7] Didn't Armstrong screw-up by forgetting to say the word
"a" in the above quote?
("man" instead of "a man")
That *is* the way it sounded; however, according to
Armstrong he *did* say the article, "a." It was dropped
out due to a communications problem with Earth while
he made the historic statement.
As Neil put it, "When you think about it, it doesn't make
any sense without the 'a,' does it?"
Well, (grin,) it could make sense; but "man", in the sense of mankind, would be
a little redundant. (And I'm not challenging his claim or honesty. But...)
Here's the NASA web page (no "a") quote:
"That's one small step for man . . . one giant leap for mankind."
http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/history/apollo/apollo-11/apollo-11.html
(about 3/5ths way down that page)
If you had fluffed the most famous phrase of the 20th century, perhaps
the most famous ever in terms of what's actually recorded, would you
admit it? Even to yourself?
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Rabbit arithmetic - 1 plus 1 equals 10
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| Bill Sheppard |
| Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 10:42 am |
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Painius wrote, of the Apollo 11 landing,
Quote: The greatest single feat of human flight,
exploration, and endurance in the history >of mankind...
Perhaps the successful return of the crippled Apollo 13 mission could be
ranked right up there with the landing itself, in terms of imperative
ingenuity, can-do, and the unflagging directive "failure is not an
option". oc |
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| Jay Windley |
| Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 12:17 pm |
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"Painius" <starswirler@aol.com> wrote in message
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| That's some great detail, Jay! It's fortunate that they go
| over the procedures over and over again, refining them
| as they need to.
Yes, training is a wonderful thing.
| Can you imagine how they must have
| felt as the LEM steadily approached the surface of the
| Moon?
They better have been thinking, "Gee, this is just like the simulation." Of
course they understood the importance of the moment and its effect on the
human race. But the reason they were there is because they had drilled
these procedures to the point of them being routine and automatic. You want
someone whose response to the unexpected is immediate and confident. That
only comes about if the typical case is considered ordinary. If you want a
driver who can respond properly in a skid, you want a driver who isn't
mesmerized simply by the thought of driving.
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| Jay Windley |
| Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 12:28 pm |
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"Painius" <starswirler@aol.com> wrote in message
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| Check back on the state of Buzz Aldrin during just about every
| moment of the flight. Buzz was a beehive of feeling and enthusiasm.
| Neil was the calm, emotionless one.
Neil Armstrong, according to those who know him, keeps his emotional poker
hand very close to his chest. The story goes that after his last-second
ejection from the malfunctioning lander training vehicle they found him
sitting at his desk, calmly typing up his accident report as if nothing had
happened. Some have criticized NASA for choosing someone with his character
as the first man on the moon. But from NASA's point of view they chose a
pilot most likely to approach the mission with a level of professionalism to
ensure success.
And Buzz Aldrin, like most of us, has his passions. He is a passionate,
driven individual who is excited about what he does and what he wants to do.
This doesn't make him better or worse than Armstrong when it comes to flying
in space. Aldrin's successes as an astronaut even before Apollo 11 were
quite exemplary. It is unfortunate that some of his colleagues have focused
on the negative, obsessive aspects of his personality.
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| Jay Windley |
| Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 12:42 pm |
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"Richard Clark" <richclark7@aol.comedy> wrote in message
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| Well, (grin,) it could make sense; but "man", in the sense of
| mankind, would be a little redundant. (And I'm not challenging his
| claim or honesty. But...)
This is a perennial debate. Armstrong reaffirmed just this year his belief
that he said "for a man" and not "for man". I come from the Midwest, as
does Armstrong, and there we often said "f'ra" in place of "for a", so there
is a precedent for that phrase coming out as a single syllable. Most people
who rely on the cadence of his statement agree Armstrong left out the "a".
| Also that web page indicates they intended from the beginning to
| be in manual [computer assisted] control for the final moments,
| during the actual touchdown.
That was to be the case with all landings. The guidance program was to
bring the LM to a point above the designated landing site at which point the
pilot was expected to control the last 30 seconds or so of the descent
manually. By "manually" we mean he was expected to monitor the "eight-ball"
attitude indicator and the drift/descent rates while looking outside for
obstacles such as craters and boulders.
The LM specification called for the LM to be able to perform this descent
either on instruments or visually. Some pilots were able to see the ground
all the way down while others relied more on the instruments.
| Of course Armstrong took control sooner because of boulders in the way.
| (Apparently, Aldrin "helped develop" the computer program.)
Probably, but Aldrin's specialty was orbital mechanics. He would have been
more involved with the ascent and rendezvous programs, not necessarily the
descent programs. But the astronauts took active roles in overseeing and
reviewing the designs for the spacecraft. Many of the astronauts were also
engineers and so had a feeling for the type of work needed to create the
spacecraft as well as to fly them.
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| Painius |
| Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2003 4:00 am |
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"Jay Windley" <webmaster@clavius.org> wrote...
in message news:bs79e7$bue$1@terabinaries.xmission.com...
Quote:
"Painius" <starswirler@aol.com> wrote in message
news:RO6Fb.502500$0v4.21710599@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
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| Check back on the state of Buzz Aldrin during just about every
| moment of the flight. Buzz was a beehive of feeling and enthusiasm.
| Neil was the calm, emotionless one.
Neil Armstrong, according to those who know him, keeps his emotional poker
hand very close to his chest. The story goes that after his last-second
ejection from the malfunctioning lander training vehicle they found him
sitting at his desk, calmly typing up his accident report as if nothing had
happened. Some have criticized NASA for choosing someone with his character
as the first man on the moon. But from NASA's point of view they chose a
pilot most likely to approach the mission with a level of professionalism to
ensure success.
And Buzz Aldrin, like most of us, has his passions. He is a passionate,
driven individual who is excited about what he does and what he wants to do.
This doesn't make him better or worse than Armstrong when it comes to flying
in space. Aldrin's successes as an astronaut even before Apollo 11 were
quite exemplary. It is unfortunate that some of his colleagues have focused
on the negative, obsessive aspects of his personality.
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The universe is not required to conform | Jay Windley
to the expectations of the ignorant. | webmaster @ clavius.org
Yes, i didn't mean to imply that Buzz's enthusiasm was
any kind of detracting factor. In fact, i think that Buzz was
the perfect balance for Neil's unemotional approach.
They are both courageous heroes, Jay!
*Anyone* who puts their life on the line to win some victory
for humanity is one courageous hero.
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happy days and...
starry starry nights!
Painius
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