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Gunner Asch
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 12:08 am
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On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 23:37:09 GMT, Trevor Jones <t.o.jones@telus.net>
wrote:

Quote:
Gunner Asch wrote:
Years ago, at least 20, I snagged an elderly Marquette 110vt buzzbox.

Its always been an utter pain in the ass to weld with, as it seems to
be nearly unable to maintain an arc. Open voltage is right at 34
volts, not measured under load.

Data plate shows up to 90amps, 30volts open current, so it SHOULD be
able to burn 3/32 rod well enough. Line voltage is 124volts, on a 50
amp circuit. with a sag to 122volts when I strike an arc. Or try to.

There is no reactor(?) coil in the machine, just a hefty transformer,
with 3 taps, Low, Med, High

I dragged it out over the weekend and tried welding with it since my
skill level has increased a smidge since I got it .

Its still a pain in the ass. Even with 3/32 rod of various types, it
will bearly maintain an arch, but the rod turns red very quickly and
sags, even though it wont burn properly.

Is this an indication of too low an arc voltage, given that Ive good
reasonable current..enough to sag the rod.

Ive tried 1/16", and its not a hell of a lot better, with 6011/6013
etc being tried in all sizes.

Would I be served by making a reactor (?) choke(?)

Chuckle..this is simply a fun thing, as Ive got other..better..welders
to use.

Any of you technical guys give me a heads up ?

Gunner


The 110v stick welder that was given (dumped) to me, will only
reliably run a bead with 1/16 rod.

It has, on the up side, saved my butt on an occasion or two, when I
needed something tacked down or welded shut, and had no other available
welder, but at the price of 1/16 rods, and the limited amount of real
use I have for the welder, I have not bothered to buy more rods for it.

The 3/32 rods I tried were flat out too much for the machine to run.
That was plugged in to a circuit that was about 8 feet of wire away from
the main box, and which had no other draws on it.

Good power supply for something small, maybe, but not much of a welder.

My 110v wirefeed Lincoln, loaded with flux core wire, has been far
more use, and is a better investment of time spent fiddling. It came to
me for very cheap, and has had new bearings, feed rollers and liner
installed.

Fixing that one up would be like pimping out a Lada. You can do it,
but....

Cheers
Trevor Jones


Lada? Oh! That might be fun!! Hand rubbed Corrithian plywood and
everything!!

Gunner


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Ed Huntress
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 12:43 am
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"Gunner Asch" <gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:01:02 -0500, Ignoramus4289
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On 2008-04-21, Gunner Asch <gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:19:49 -0500, Ignoramus4289
ignoramus4289@NOSPAM.4289.invalid> wrote:

On 2008-04-21, Gunner Asch <gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:44:41 -0500, Ignoramus4289
ignoramus4289@NOSPAM.4289.invalid> wrote:

I think that you have better things to do, compared to adding chokes
to pieces of crap. A POS with a choke is still a POS.

I heard that copper prices are up considerably...

i

What part of "for fun" did you not comprehend?

btw...I took delivery of one of these this weekend

http://www.mylincolnelectric.com/Catalog/operatorsmanualdatasheet.aspx?p=32264

Guy claims no matter what setting its at..it runs full bore. All the
boards have been changed (I have the receipts).

Ill be fixing that one up too. Will that offend you less? <G

That is a great project. Perfect project in fact.

i


Ooooo!! I thank you for your approval Your Imminance!!

One assumes that Ill be allowed to have fun doing it as well?


Only if you vote for Barack Hussein Obama

i

I didnt vote for Karl Marx, Im sure not going to vote for his great
great grandson Obamarama.

Gunner

Oh, look. Gunner's building a tar baby. Will he give it jellybeans for eyes?
Will he use turpentine to slick down its hair? Stay tuned.

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Pete Snell
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:00 am
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Gunner Asch wrote:

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Ive used it for derusting, though its pretty high voltage.

Didnt take long to suck off the rust.

Should be around 3-13 volts, right?

I'm not sure what the 'best' voltage would be. Should be easy to
control with a variable autotransformer though. (I think) I had a
similar machine with similar plans, but it ended up in a yard sale along
with a couple of other 'surplus' projects.

Pete

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spaco
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 11:31 am
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50 years ago, you could buy an "electric welder" for $9.95 out of
Popular Science. I got a used one for 50 cents from a guy. It had no
transformer at all, just a half dozen of those wire wound resistance
heaters that go into a light bulb socket, all in series with the leads.
I think it even came with a carbon arc torch. You used rescued D cell
carbons in it.
Anyway, I couldn't get it to work with the 1/16" rods that came with
it. I took it to a friend who ran an auto repair shop. He used it to
do body work. He even welded up a hairline crack in the block of my
1942 Merc with it!!! And it held water!
Must have been the high open curcuit voltage that made it work. But,
then there was no isolation. I wonder how many people got electrocuted
with them.

Pete Stanaitis
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Leon Fisk
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 1:29 pm
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On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:47:22 -0700, Gunner Asch
<gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:

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On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:56:46 -0400, Leon Fisk
lfisk@no.spam.iserv.net> wrote:

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:40:46 -0700, Gunner Asch
gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:

snip
Data plate shows up to 90amps, 30volts open current, so it SHOULD be
able to burn 3/32 rod well enough. Line voltage is 124volts, on a 50
amp circuit. with a sag to 122volts when I strike an arc. Or try to.

What are the current levels on input and output while under
load? Maybe you have a bad/resistive connection somewhere in
the output. Measuring some current levels may prove helpful.

I dont have any meters on the thing..I guess this would be a good time
to stick a clamp on , on it.

There is no reactor(?) coil in the machine, just a hefty transformer,
with 3 taps, Low, Med, High

I've only seen reactor coils on DC machines. They help
smooth out the bumps between rectified cycles while still
allowing the voltage to fluctuate and current to stay
steady. I don't think it would help much here (shrug). You
can always make a crude one for a test. Just coil maybe 20
loops of the stinger cable around maybe a 2 inch or so
square stick close to the welder output and give it a whirl.

I wasnt sure if I had the terminology right.
Choke?

Actually, I would call it a choke, but reactor is what you
see most often in reference to welders. I'm just a lowly old
tech, so what do I know... For a picture see:

http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID=2008042213183232&item=1162&catname=

It would help if you had a core to wind the turns around.

Don's idea to find some diodes and make a little DC welder
is really good. Then you could most definitely use the
reactor. That would make a nice little DC box.

Another thought is to try using it in the low or middle
output range. It is very possible that it could actually
have a higher VOC in those ranges. I know the VOC on my dual
range buzz-box sucks on the high current tap. The low-range
tap is much higher.

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Michael A. Terrell
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 1:32 pm
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Ignoramus4289 wrote:
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Only if you vote for Barack Hussein Obama


I would blow my brains out first.


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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:48 pm
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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote: I would blow my brains out first.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Can you hit a target that small?
Michael A. Terrell
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 5:31 pm
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Leo Lichtman wrote:
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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote: I would blow my brains out first.
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I don't know. Are you volunteering to be a target?


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"Michael A. Terrell" I don't know. Are you volunteering to be a target?
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John
Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 2:25 am
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Your biggest problem is low electrode voltage. It may be 30V off load
but that probably drops by 50% on load. Then you need to shorten the
arc, then the rod sticks, then the arc stops.......

It all sounds like my first welder. I didn't realise just how bad it
was untill I got a good one.

John
 
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