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| Sanny |
 Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:32 am |
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We can exactly pinpoint any object at a given time at a given place.
If we say Earth is at X,Y,Z at Time Theta. We can exactly find the
location of earth at that time in the universe.
So any phenomenon in the Universe can be defined by its X,Y,Z
Coordinate and Time at which it happened.
Events Like: Start Explodes, Star Formation, .....
But when we see atomic particle or molecules we find An electron is at
multiple position at a given time. We call this Resonance.
Is Resonance is caused because Electron Travel in some Fifth
Dimension? That its path cannot be traced in an Atom?
What are the other Dimensions if possible
Can we take Temperature/ Pressure as new Dimensions?
Bye
Sanny
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| Immortalist |
| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:47 am |
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On Apr 23, 11:32 am, Sanny <softta...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote: We can exactly pinpoint any object at a given time at a given place.
If we say Earth is at X,Y,Z at Time Theta. We can exactly find the
location of earth at that time in the universe.
So any phenomenon in the Universe can be defined by its X,Y,Z
Coordinate and Time at which it happened.
Events Like: Start Explodes, Star Formation, .....
But when we see atomic particle or molecules we find An electron is at
multiple position at a given time. We call this Resonance.
Is Resonance is caused because Electron Travel in some Fifth
Dimension? That its path cannot be traced in an Atom?
It could be the dimension called "the current state of the science"
since maybe we need better math and equipment before we can conclude
as definately as you are asking. Plus you need to define electron
better before you can jump to such conclusions.
Quote: What are the other Dimensions if possible
Can we take Temperature/ Pressure as new Dimensions?
Bye
Sanny
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| Immortalist |
| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:50 am |
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On Apr 23, 11:42 am, Uncle Al <Uncle...@hate.spam.net> wrote:
Quote: Sanny wrote:
We can exactly pinpoint any object at a given time at a given place.
[snip hopeless crap]
With reference to what for both space and time?
A relativistic universe has four distinct distances: luminosity
(inverse square), angular diameter, parallax, and proper motion. No
two of them need agree to maintain consistency. Clocks can only be
synchronized by being local.
http://metrologyforum.tm.agilent.com/pdf/flying_clock_math.pdf
Idiot.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=b-nhWf0fo7k
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| dlzc |
| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:29 am |
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Dear Sanny:
On Apr 23, 11:32 am, Sanny <softta...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote: We can exactly pinpoint any object at a given
time at a given place.
... given that other determinations from other frames may arrive at
different numbers.
Quote: If we say Earth is at X,Y,Z at Time Theta. We
can exactly find the location of earth at that
time in the universe.
That is a bit of a stretch. Our meaasures are a bit provincial, we
assign "north" to directions regarding the Milky Way. We have no
handle on any underlying substrate such that "exactly" has much
meaning, a really short history to extend very far from *now*, and not
enough knowledge about all effects to get much beyond this.
Quote: So any phenomenon in the Universe can be defined
by its X,Y,Z Coordinate and Time at which it
happened.
Again, with the caveat that other locations, at other speeds, and
other units may assign different coordinates.
Quote: Events Like: Start Explodes, Star Formation, .....
Anything involving large populations of quantum objects. The larger
the population, the more you are interested in the population's
relationship to the Universe at large, the more certain you can be.
Quote: But when we see atomic particle or molecules we
find An electron is at multiple position at a
given time. We call this Resonance.
Not sure "multiple positions" makes too much sense. We (can) know
what its momentum is... but its position is indeterminate.
Quote: Is Resonance is caused because Electron Travel in
some Fifth Dimension?
The name comes from the wave equation that describes its orbital.
Quote: That its path cannot be traced in an Atom?
No quantum object (by itself) can be assigned a meaningful path.
Quote: What are the other Dimensions if possible
They would be orthogonal to space and time. Kaluza Klein provides a
5th dimension for charge. String theory have twenty something
otrthogonal dimesnions.
Quote: Can we take Temperature/ Pressure as new
Dimensions?
I don't think so. They are scalar.
David A. Smith |
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| xxein |
| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:45 pm |
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On Apr 23, 2:42 pm, Uncle Al <Uncle...@hate.spam.net> wrote:
Quote: Sanny wrote:
We can exactly pinpoint any object at a given time at a given place.
[snip hopeless crap]
With reference to what for both space and time?
A relativistic universe has four distinct distances: luminosity
(inverse square), angular diameter, parallax, and proper motion. No
two of them need agree to maintain consistency. Clocks can only be
synchronized by being local.
http://metrologyforum.tm.agilent.com/pdf/flying_clock_math.pdf
Idiot.
--
Uncle Alhttp://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2
xxein: "* NOTE: As a first approximation, it has been assumed that
the same flight path is used on the outbound and return flights. The
Sagnac effects on each leg of the journey then cancel. The figures
quoted in the table above are an average of a path following the 31oN
parallel (Sagnac = 51 ns) and
the 51oN parallel (Sagnac = 28 ns)." In additition to "Clocks can
only be
synchronized by being local."
For your first belief, it is entirely wrong. That is like saying that
Lorentz and Einstein have no physical or observational basis.
The second shows that you have no physics in your arsenal of belief. |
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| Uncle Al |
| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:42 pm |
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Sanny wrote:
Quote:
We can exactly pinpoint any object at a given time at a given place.
[snip hopeless crap]
With reference to what for both space and time?
A relativistic universe has four distinct distances: luminosity
(inverse square), angular diameter, parallax, and proper motion. No
two of them need agree to maintain consistency. Clocks can only be
synchronized by being local.
<http://metrologyforum.tm.agilent.com/pdf/flying_clock_math.pdf>
Idiot.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2 |
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| SBC Yahoo |
| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:47 pm |
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http://www.newscientist.com/channel/opinion/mg19726432.000-interview-the-man-who-would-prove-all-studies-wrong.html
Time is irrelevant
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"Sanny" <softtanks@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote: We can exactly pinpoint any object at a given time at a given place.
If we say Earth is at X,Y,Z at Time Theta. We can exactly find the
location of earth at that time in the universe.
So any phenomenon in the Universe can be defined by its X,Y,Z
Coordinate and Time at which it happened.
Events Like: Start Explodes, Star Formation, .....
But when we see atomic particle or molecules we find An electron is at
multiple position at a given time. We call this Resonance.
Is Resonance is caused because Electron Travel in some Fifth
Dimension? That its path cannot be traced in an Atom?
What are the other Dimensions if possible
Can we take Temperature/ Pressure as new Dimensions?
Bye
Sanny
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| Uno |
| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:05 pm |
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Time dimension depends on speed. We can see light of object in the unverse
billion years ago and the object wasn't at that location after billion years
ago.
"Sanny" <softtanks@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote: We can exactly pinpoint any object at a given time at a given place.
If we say Earth is at X,Y,Z at Time Theta. We can exactly find the
location of earth at that time in the universe.
So any phenomenon in the Universe can be defined by its X,Y,Z
Coordinate and Time at which it happened.
Events Like: Start Explodes, Star Formation, .....
But when we see atomic particle or molecules we find An electron is at
multiple position at a given time. We call this Resonance.
Is Resonance is caused because Electron Travel in some Fifth
Dimension? That its path cannot be traced in an Atom?
What are the other Dimensions if possible
Can we take Temperature/ Pressure as new Dimensions?
Bye
Sanny
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:35 pm |
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| Time dimension depends on speed.
What the fuck are you babbling about, idiot? |
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| Sanny |
| Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 7:21 am |
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On Apr 24, 9:47 pm, ZerkonX <Z...@X.net> wrote:
Quote: On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:32:52 -0700, Sanny wrote:
If we say Earth is at X,Y,Z at Time Theta. We can exactly find the
location of earth at that time in the universe.
Relative to umm ...absolute or 'true' 'X, Y or Z'?
Relative to Observer, From where the Observer is that point is Origin.
Bye
Sanny
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| ZerkonX |
| Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 11:47 am |
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On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:32:52 -0700, Sanny wrote:
Quote: If we say Earth is at X,Y,Z at Time Theta. We can exactly find the
location of earth at that time in the universe.
Relative to umm ...absolute or 'true' 'X, Y or Z'? |
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