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| mingomin |
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 1:04 am |
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This is not a translation-issue, but still I quote Herman Melville:
Redburn - - and feel stupid, as I don't understand, why (in the last
sentence) a reason is shockingly obvious. How can it be shocking, if
the reason is, that the man just needs to have a bath??? I am afraid,
I have missed a special point - for why is he scratching his back and
not for example his stomach? Sorry for my stupidity.
"It now remains to speak of the steerage passengers. There were not
more than twenty or thirty of them, mostly mechanics, returning home,
after a prosperous stay in America, to escort their wives and families
back. These were the only occupants of the steerage that I ever knew
of; till early one morning, in the gray dawn, when we made Cape Clear,
the south point of Ireland, the apparition of a tall Irishman, in a
shabby shirt of bed-ticking, emerged from the fore hatchway, and stood
leaning on the rail, looking landward with a fixed, reminiscent
expression, and diligently scratching its back with both hands. We all
started at the sight, for no one had ever seen the apparition before;
and when we remembered that it must have been burrowing all the
passage down in its bunk, the only probable reason of its so
manipulating its back became shockingly obvious."
yours
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| Bettina Price |
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 8:47 am |
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"mingomin" <020743@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote: This is not a translation-issue, but still I quote Herman Melville:
Redburn - - and feel stupid, as I don't understand, why (in the last
sentence) a reason is shockingly obvious. How can it be shocking, if
the reason is, that the man just needs to have a bath??? I am afraid,
I have missed a special point - for why is he scratching his back and
not for example his stomach? Sorry for my stupidity.
"It now remains to speak of the steerage passengers. There were not
more than twenty or thirty of them, mostly mechanics, returning home,
after a prosperous stay in America, to escort their wives and families
back. These were the only occupants of the steerage that I ever knew
of; till early one morning, in the gray dawn, when we made Cape Clear,
the south point of Ireland, the apparition of a tall Irishman, in a
shabby shirt of bed-ticking, emerged from the fore hatchway, and stood
leaning on the rail, looking landward with a fixed, reminiscent
expression, and diligently scratching its back with both hands. We all
started at the sight, for no one had ever seen the apparition before;
and when we remembered that it must have been burrowing all the
passage down in its bunk, the only probable reason of its so
manipulating its back became shockingly obvious."
yours
He's been lying flat on his back which got terribly bitten by bed-bugs?
But why on earth is Melville calling him an 'it'? Anti-irishness?
Puzzled,
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| Dave Devine |
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 10:09 am |
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Bettina Price <bettina+usenet@pappnase.co.uk> wrote:
Quote: He's been lying flat on his back which got terribly bitten by bed-bugs?
But why on earth is Melville calling him an 'it'? Anti-irishness?
Puzzled,
Bettina
No bias here - the "it's" refers to "the apparition."
Dave
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| Bettina Price |
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 11:32 am |
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"Dave Devine" <dave_devine@nospamcop.net> wrote in message
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Quote: Bettina Price <bettina+usenet@pappnase.co.uk> wrote:
He's been lying flat on his back which got terribly bitten by bed-bugs?
But why on earth is Melville calling him an 'it'? Anti-irishness?
Puzzled,
Bettina
No bias here - the "it's" refers to "the apparition."
Dave
Ah, of course. But that kind of grammatical nicety is really that of a
bygone age, isn't it.
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| Dave Devine |
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 12:00 pm |
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Bettina Price <bettina+usenet@pappnase.co.uk> wrote:
Quote: "Dave Devine" <dave_devine@nospamcop.net> wrote in message
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Bettina Price <bettina+usenet@pappnase.co.uk> wrote:
He's been lying flat on his back which got terribly bitten by bed-bugs?
But why on earth is Melville calling him an 'it'? Anti-irishness?
Puzzled,
Bettina
No bias here - the "it's" refers to "the apparition."
Dave
Ah, of course. But that kind of grammatical nicety is really that of a
bygone age, isn't it.
Bettina
As is Melville himself!
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| Edward Hennessey |
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 2:03 pm |
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Dave Devine wrote:
Quote: Bettina Price <bettina+usenet@pappnase.co.uk> wrote:
He's been lying flat on his back which got terribly bitten by
bed-bugs?
But why on earth is Melville calling him an 'it'?
Anti-irishness?
Puzzled,
Bettina
No bias here - the "it's" refers to "the apparition."
Dave
Apologies to DD for subscribing my message below his but my
voluminous killfiles have grown to
include Google originations from the volume of untrammeled spam
eructing therefrom. Not that
the good FCN's offerings are anything but the opposite.
It is only obvious to remark that the Irishman is the substance of
the apparition or "the thing that appears".
I was quite tempted to characterize him with the lovely word
"apparitor", excepting that this passage
does not seem to portray his service in legal or ecclesiastical
capacities.
Though parasites are inspirational of full martial reaction, there
is a rather curious element in the
behavior of male bed bugs which has drawn the purely clinical
attention of more that one researcher, q.v.
Carayon, J. 1977 Insémination extragénitale traumatique. In Traité
de Zoologie 8(V-A) (ed. P. P. Grassé),
pp. 351-390. Paris: Masson. Or, as Festus might say, "Boy them
boys is bug nuts."
Regards,
Edward Hennessey |
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| Edward Hennessey |
Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 2:46 pm |
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Edward Hennessey under under charm of distracted
stupidity, the sympathetic spell of delusional parasitosis and
the hectic swirl of surrounding humanity made
two mistakes emended below :
Quote: Though parasites are inspirational of full martial reaction,
there
is a rather curious element in the
behavior of male bed bugs which has drawn the purely clinical
attention of more THAN one researcher, q.v.
Carayon, J. 1977 Insémination extragénitale traumatique. In
Traité
de Zoologie 8(V-A) (ed. P. P. Grassé),
pp. 351-390. Paris: Masson. Or, as Festus might say, "DANG, them
boys is bug nuts." |
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