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| Ted |
Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:26 pm |
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I have decided that I want to learn how to mig weld. I will be using flux
core wire on a Lincoln weldpack 100 machine. I have used a o-a torch
numerous times, but this is different. I am planning on a few projects that
will be built using bed frames.
Sometimes people around here give away their wrought iron security gates.
Would these be good to practice on?
I have searched and did not find any good instructional websites other than
the manufacturer's and some of them are better than others and usually just
show mig with gas.
Thanks
Ted |
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| Leo Lichtman |
Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:43 pm |
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"Ted" wrote: (clip) Sometimes people around here give away their wrought
iron security gates.
Quote: Would these be good to practice on? (clip)
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"Wrought iron" is an old term whose meaning has drifted from what it meant
originally. Wrought iron used to mean iron that was layered upon itself by
being forged or rolled. Really old wrought iron gates might have that
layered structure, and they would probably not weld very well.
The term now refers to a style of construction that looks like the old, with
scroll work and twisted bars, but which actually made of steel. It would
make wonderful practice naterial. One clue: real original old wrought iron
would be held together with rivets or iron bands.
Also: it would be a shame to destroy an antique wrought iron gate just to
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| SteveB |
Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:22 am |
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"Ted" <miamitedNOSPAM@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Quote: I have decided that I want to learn how to mig weld. I will be using flux
core wire on a Lincoln weldpack 100 machine. I have used a o-a torch
numerous times, but this is different. I am planning on a few projects that
will be built using bed frames.
Sometimes people around here give away their wrought iron security gates.
Would these be good to practice on?
I have searched and did not find any good instructional websites other
than the manufacturer's and some of them are better than others and
usually just show mig with gas.
Thanks
Ted
Thin metal and FCAW are not a good recipe. Usually shielding gas is used
for thin metal on ornamental metal.
Are you talking about true "wrought iron" or just hollow tube steel
ornamental metal? When you refer to "bed frames", are you referring to
plain steel angle bed frames, or the cast iron of the last century style
conical pin joints?
Huge difference in welding processes and results.
Does your machine have the capability of being converted to a shielded gas
MIG?
FCAW is not technically a GMAW rig, although it looks like a MIG.
Short explanation: MIG = Metal Inert Gas
GMAW = Gas Metal Arc Welding
FCAW = Flux Core Arc Welding
MIG and GMAW are where a shielding gas is used outside of the filler wire to
isolate the filler wire from the ambient air so that a protected area is
formed where the molten crucible of the arc can join metal. FCAW has a
shielding powder inside the wire.
If you are really interested in MIG (GMAW), you may have to purchase a real
one with a gas solenoid, gas bottle, and the whole nine yards. They are
sweet in how they work and what they can do. Cheap they are not, unless you
choose to buy a cheap one, in which case I hope you have a boat because
cheap ones usually end up as boat anchors. If you do choose to buy a MIG,
get a Miller or Lincoln, and you will never regret it.
Please clarify some of your statements, and we can give you a little clearer
answers.
12 step welding meetings every Wednesday.
Steve |
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| Terry Coombs |
Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:38 pm |
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SteveB wrote:
Quote: "Ted" <miamitedNOSPAM@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:T8AMj.23365$%15.20464@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
I have decided that I want to learn how to mig weld. I will be using
flux core wire on a Lincoln weldpack 100 machine. I have used a o-a
torch numerous times, but this is different. I am planning on a few
projects that will be built using bed frames.
Sometimes people around here give away their wrought iron security
gates. Would these be good to practice on?
I have searched and did not find any good instructional websites
other than the manufacturer's and some of them are better than
others and usually just show mig with gas.
Thanks
Ted
Thin metal and FCAW are not a good recipe. Usually shielding gas is
used for thin metal on ornamental metal.
Are you talking about true "wrought iron" or just hollow tube steel
ornamental metal? When you refer to "bed frames", are you referring
to plain steel angle bed frames, or the cast iron of the last century
style conical pin joints?
Huge difference in welding processes and results.
Does your machine have the capability of being converted to a
shielded gas MIG?
Steve
I have one like his , yes , it is convertible to true MIG . I hated mine
before I converted . I think he is talking about modern "wrought iron" -
tube and strip steel . That would be perfect practice material . The flux
core burns hotter than gas shielded wire , this mat'l is thick enough not to
burn thru as much .
FWIW , with CO2 I run mine at #4 heat /25scfm gas/wire speed 6 or 7 for
..125-.250" stock . The settings inside the cover are a very good starting
point . And the closer the outlet is to the breaker panel the better .
--
Snag
'90 Ultra "Strider"
'39 WLDD "Popcycle"
Buncha cars and a truck |
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| Ted |
Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:36 pm |
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"SteveB" <pittmanpirate@henderson.com> wrote in message
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"Ted" <miamitedNOSPAM@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:T8AMj.23365$%15.20464@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
I have decided that I want to learn how to mig weld. I will be using flux
core wire on a Lincoln weldpack 100 machine. I have used a o-a torch
numerous times, but this is different. I am planning on a few projects
that will be built using bed frames.
Sometimes people around here give away their wrought iron security gates.
Would these be good to practice on?
I have searched and did not find any good instructional websites other
than the manufacturer's and some of them are better than others and
usually just show mig with gas.
Thanks
Ted
Thin metal and FCAW are not a good recipe. Usually shielding gas is used
for thin metal on ornamental metal.
Are you talking about true "wrought iron" or just hollow tube steel
ornamental metal? When you refer to "bed frames", are you referring to
plain steel angle bed frames, or the cast iron of the last century style
conical pin joints?
Huge difference in welding processes and results.
Does your machine have the capability of being converted to a shielded gas
MIG?
FCAW is not technically a GMAW rig, although it looks like a MIG.
Short explanation: MIG = Metal Inert Gas
GMAW = Gas Metal Arc Welding
FCAW = Flux Core Arc Welding
MIG and GMAW are where a shielding gas is used outside of the filler wire
to isolate the filler wire from the ambient air so that a protected area
is formed where the molten crucible of the arc can join metal. FCAW has a
shielding powder inside the wire.
If you are really interested in MIG (GMAW), you may have to purchase a
real one with a gas solenoid, gas bottle, and the whole nine yards. They
are sweet in how they work and what they can do. Cheap they are not,
unless you choose to buy a cheap one, in which case I hope you have a boat
because cheap ones usually end up as boat anchors. If you do choose to
buy a MIG, get a Miller or Lincoln, and you will never regret it.
Please clarify some of your statements, and we can give you a little
clearer answers.
12 step welding meetings every Wednesday.
Steve
FCAW is my only choice. I have to work outside, thus gas is not an option.
By bed frame, I am talking about the angle iron modern style.
I am referring to the metal security bars that people put on the outside of
their house over their windows and doors.
I would not destroy the old antique metals by practicing on them.
Where are the Wednesday meetings? |
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| SteveB |
Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:59 pm |
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"Ted" <miamitedNOSPAM@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"SteveB" <pittmanpirate@henderson.com> wrote in message
news:ho2bd5-iu91.ln1@news.infowest.com...
"Ted" <miamitedNOSPAM@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:T8AMj.23365$%15.20464@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
I have decided that I want to learn how to mig weld. I will be using flux
core wire on a Lincoln weldpack 100 machine. I have used a o-a torch
numerous times, but this is different. I am planning on a few projects
that will be built using bed frames.
Sometimes people around here give away their wrought iron security
gates. Would these be good to practice on?
I have searched and did not find any good instructional websites other
than the manufacturer's and some of them are better than others and
usually just show mig with gas.
Thanks
Ted
Thin metal and FCAW are not a good recipe. Usually shielding gas is used
for thin metal on ornamental metal.
Are you talking about true "wrought iron" or just hollow tube steel
ornamental metal? When you refer to "bed frames", are you referring to
plain steel angle bed frames, or the cast iron of the last century style
conical pin joints?
Huge difference in welding processes and results.
Does your machine have the capability of being converted to a shielded
gas MIG?
FCAW is not technically a GMAW rig, although it looks like a MIG.
Short explanation: MIG = Metal Inert Gas
GMAW = Gas Metal Arc Welding
FCAW = Flux Core Arc Welding
MIG and GMAW are where a shielding gas is used outside of the filler wire
to isolate the filler wire from the ambient air so that a protected area
is formed where the molten crucible of the arc can join metal. FCAW has
a shielding powder inside the wire.
If you are really interested in MIG (GMAW), you may have to purchase a
real one with a gas solenoid, gas bottle, and the whole nine yards. They
are sweet in how they work and what they can do. Cheap they are not,
unless you choose to buy a cheap one, in which case I hope you have a
boat because cheap ones usually end up as boat anchors. If you do choose
to buy a MIG, get a Miller or Lincoln, and you will never regret it.
Please clarify some of your statements, and we can give you a little
clearer answers.
12 step welding meetings every Wednesday.
Steve
FCAW is my only choice. I have to work outside, thus gas is not an option.
By bed frame, I am talking about the angle iron modern style.
I am referring to the metal security bars that people put on the outside
of their house over their windows and doors.
I would not destroy the old antique metals by practicing on them.
Where are the Wednesday meetings?
Good luck with the FCAW on thin ornamental metal. It should do okay on the
angle iron bed frames. Last time I used FCAW was on 36" diameter caisson.
Steve |
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