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| Stormin Mormon |
 Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 2:42 pm |
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Went to the dentist with a tooth ache in #6, upper right canine tooth. Big
cavity there already, and the filling came out, months ago.
He sent me home with a scrip for pain pills, and schedule for a RCT on April
15.
After some amoxicillin, the tooth ache went away.
Is it OK to crown over, now? Or should I go through with the root canal
removal?
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| Jan Drew |
| Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 9:55 pm |
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"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote: Went to the dentist with a tooth ache in #6, upper right canine tooth. Big
cavity there already, and the filling came out, months ago.
He sent me home with a scrip for pain pills, and schedule for a RCT on
April
15.
After some amoxicillin, the tooth ache went away.
Is it OK to crown over, now? Or should I go through with the root canal
removal?
No--nor was it Ok to do it the first time, unless you prefer to possibly
destory your immine system, and/or health.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:15 am |
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Your teeth differs from the rest of your body in the sense that
antibiotics do not really cure, but rather relief symptoms. The
source is still untreated. The source is usually an infected nerve or
rather a necrotic nerve. This needs to be removed, and the tooth
treated and sealed before any kind of filling (eg crown) can be done.
Do it - go back - otherwise the same thing will just happen again, and
then ten times worse....!!!
Good luck!!
Andriette |
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| Stormin Mormon |
| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:15 pm |
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Would that be the RCT, or the crown? Please supply some more details.
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"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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After some amoxicillin, the tooth ache went away.
Is it OK to crown over, now? Or should I go through with the root canal
removal?
No--nor was it Ok to do it the first time, unless you prefer to possibly
destory your immine system, and/or health. |
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| Jan Drew |
| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:40 pm |
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"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote: Would that be the RCT, or the crown? Please supply some more details.
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Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:8IzMj.554$ix6.537@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net...
After some amoxicillin, the tooth ache went away.
Is it OK to crown over, now? Or should I go through with the root canal
removal?
No--nor was it Ok to do it the first time, unless you prefer to possibly
destory your immine system, and/or health.
Just a few, I have more if you are interested.
http://www.tldp.com/issue/157-8/157rootc.htm
Surprisingly it's composed of little tiny tubules, and those tubules are so
small that if we took our smallest front tooth and stretched it out -
stretched those tubules out end to end - it would stretch out for a distance
of 3 miles. Now what happens is when you get a cavity in a tooth and the
decay gets into the dentin of the tooth the bacteria that are involved in
the decay process get into those tubules. I should tell you that initially
those tubules carry a fluid and that that fluid carries nutriments and the
nutriments in those dentin tubules keep the tooth alive and healthy. And
those nutriments come from the nerve and the blood vessels that come into
the root canal of the tooth. And so fundamentally what happens when you get
a deep cavity and it exposes the nerve of the tooth, those bacteria get into
all of those dentin tubules and they remain in there causing infection and
eventually they can escape and that's a story in itself. They can escape in
what's known as the lateral canals and there toxins can actually escape
directly through the root surface into what's called the peridontal membrane
or ligament. This is a hard fibrous tissue which holds the tooth in the bony
socket, and when the infection gets into there it transfers easily into the
bony socket and from there the bacteria and the bacterial toxins can get
into the surrounding bone and the blood supply of that surrounding bone. And
now this acts much like cancer cells, you know cancer cells metastasize and
that means that they travel around the body in the bloodstream and they get
to another tissue, gland or organ and they set up a new cancer. Well these
bacteria from infected dentin tubules also travel around and metastasize in
the same way and they can get into the various tissue. Those bacteria are
kind of like people, you know, if they get to like Seattle or Reno or
someplace they decide that's where they're going to have their home, well
the bacteria traveling around the body, they may get to the liver, the
kidneys or the heart or the eyes or some other tissue and they set up an
infection in that area. So this is exactly what happens and why the
degenerative diseases occur from these teeth.
http://www.curezone.com/dental/root_canal.html
MJ You're assuming that ALL root-filled teeth harbor bacteria and/or other
infective agents?
GM Yes. No matter what material or technique is used - and this is just as
true today - the root filling shrinks minutely, perhaps microscopically.
Further and this is key - the bulk of solid appearing teeth, called the
dentin, actually consists of miles of tiny tubules. Microscopic organisms
lurking in the maze of tubules simply migrate into the interior of the tooth
and set up housekeeping. A filled root seems to be a favorite spot to start
a new colony.
One of the things that makes this difficult to understand is that large,
relatively harmless bacteria common to the mouth, change and adapt to new
conditions. They shrink in size to fit the cramped quarters and even learn
how to exist (and thrive!) on very little food. Those that need oxygen
mutate and become able to get along without it. In the process of adaptation
these formerly friendly "normal" organisms become pathogenic (capable of
producing disease) and more virulent (stronger) and they produce much more
potent toxins.
Today's bacteriologists are confirming the discoveries of the Price team of
bacteriologists. Both isolated in root canals the same strains of
streptococcus, staphylococcus and spirochetes.
MJ Is everyone who has ever had a root canal filled made ill by it?
GM No. We believe now that every root canal filling does leak and bacteria
do invade the structure. But the variable factor is the strength of the
person's immune system. Some healthy people are able to control the germs
that escape from their teeth into other areas of the body. We think this
happens because their immune system lymphocytes (white blood cells) and
other disease fighters aren't constantly compromised by other ailments. In
other words, they are able to prevent those new colonies from taking hold in
other tissues throughout the body. But over time, most people with root
filled teeth do seem to develop some kinds of systemic symptoms they didn't
have before.
MJ It's really difficult to grasp that bacteria are imbedded deep in the
structure of seemingly-hard, solid looking teeth.
GM I know. Physicians and dentists have that same problem, too. You really
have to visualize the tooth structure - all of those microscopic tubules
running through the dentin. In a healthy tooth, those tubules transport a
fluid that carries nourishment to the inside. For perspective, if the
tubules of a front single-root tooth, were stretched out on the ground
they'd stretch for three miles!
A root filled tooth no longer has any fluid circulating through it, but the
maze of tubules remains. The anaerobic bacteria that live there seem
remarkably safe from antibiotics. The bacteria can migrate out into
surrounding tissue where they can "hitch hike" to other locations in the
body via the bloodstream. The new location can be any organ or gland or
tissue, and the new colony will be the next focus of infection in a body
plagued by recurrent or chronic infections.
All of the "building up" done to try to enhance the patient's ability to
fight infections - to strengthen their immune system - is only a holding
action. Many patients won't be well until the source of infection - the root
canal tooth - is removed.
MJ I don't doubt what you're saying, but can you tell us more about how Dr.
Price could be sure that arthritis or other systemic conditions and
illnesses really originated in the teeth - or in a single tooth?
GM Yes. Many investigations start with the researcher just being curious
about something - and then being scientifically careful enough to discover
an answer, and then prove it's so, many times over. Dr. Price's first case
is very well documented. He removed an infected tooth from a woman who
suffered from severe arthritis. As soon as he finished with the patient, he
implanted the tooth beneath the skin of a healthy rabbit. Within 48 hours
the rabbit was crippled with arthritis!
http://www.midnightcafe.com/alzh/endnotes.html
19. Dentin Tubules: The tooth structure is porous and dental tubules (hollow
tubes)
within a single tooth are approximately three miles in length. Eight
bacteria
fit side by side within one dentin tubule, which makes bacteria
difficult to
eradicate. It is not uncommon for cavitations to become reinfected.
X-rays
revealed I have six to eight reinfected cavitations.
20. Cavitations: Infected areas within the jawbone.
21. Bone necrosis: Disease caused in healthy cells due to direct contact
with
any agent (usually living organism) capable of producing infection.
http://www.carondevita.com/dentaldebate.html
[site appears to have been highjacked]
Dentists do not generally consider this a problem as they are taught that
the
tooth is basically dead
anyway except for that little bit of nerve in the root area. However,
although
it appears to be a solid, very hard substance, dentin in fact has many
dentinal
tubules. They are so tiny that a single tooth has as much as three miles of
tubules
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14651282?dopt=Abstract
n vitro neurotoxic evaluation of root-end-filling materials.
Asrari M, Lobner D.
Department of Endodontics, Marquette University School of Dentistry,
Milwaukee, WI 53233, USA. masrari@wi.rr.com
Root-end-filling materials have been tested for toxicity on several cell
types, but their toxicity has not been tested on neurons. In this study we
evaluated the neurotoxicity in murine cerebral cortical cell cultures of
four commonly used root-end-filling materials: mineral trioxide aggregate,
amalgam, Super EBA, and Diaket. Standardized amounts of each material were
placed on culture-well inserts, allowing the material to be exposed to the
culture bathing media without causing physical disruption of the cells. Cell
death was quantified by assaying release of the cytosolic enzyme lactate
dehydrogenase. Exposure of cortical cultures to freshly mixed or 7-day-old
MTA did not cause significant neuronal death, whereas exposure to freshly
mixed or 7-day-old amalgam, Super EBA, and Diaket resulted in significant
neuronal death (p < .05). Thus, each material, except for mineral trioxide
aggregate, can induce neurotoxicity, even when allowed to set thoroughly.
Publication Type
PMID: 14651282 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
http://webpages.charter.net/kyarbrough/rootcanals.htm
http://www.cfsn.com/maz/
http://drkulacz.net/contents/info/article/article_04.htm
http://www.whale.to/d/root2.html
http://www.karlloren.com/ultrasound/p25.htm
Toxicity from Root Canals
The next subject to be discussed are root canals and their possible source
of toxicity. Approximately twenty five million Americans undergo root canal
therapy every year in an effort to prevent the loss of teeth that have
abscessed. The root canal is the left portion of the tooth which houses the
vital organs such as the nerve and blood vessels. The dentist endeavors to
clean and sterilize this canal and fill it with a sterile, non toxic inert
material. This usually renders this tooth serviceable and non painful;
however, the entire inner hard core of the tooth is made of dentin which has
several million dentinal tubules. These tubules allow the circulation of
lymphatic type fluid to circulate from the vital organs of the root canal to
the outside of the tooth. This is a viable circulatory phenomenon which has
a purpose. It services the periodontal ligament as well as the sensory
aspect of the nerve and blood centers in the root canal. If the body
chemistry is healthy, the flow of lymphatic fluid is from the root canal to
the outside of the tooth. This creates an irrigation for the tooth and
usually prevents the accumulation of plaque to form. When the body chemistry
is not healthy, then the circulation is from the outside of the tooth to the
inner root canal. This allows for no irrigation, but rather an accumulation
of plaque to form. There are many more reasons for maintaining the integrity
of the circulation in the dentinal tubules. Root canal therapy completely
destroys this integrity, and what happens to the non-circulating fluid in
these tubules? This fluid as it ages becomes stagnant and becomes a toxic
substance. This porous structure now becomes a septic mass emanating poisons
into the body. Is this what you want? Mercury amalgams are said to be the
caskets of the body. Root canals are said to be the cadavers of the body. |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:57 am |
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You might need both, but definitly the RCT!!!
As soon as a tooth is non-vital (after the nerve has been taken out
and RCT performed) it will in time become britle and brake. Better to
prevent that from happening!!
beuespotgie...@googlemail.com wrote:
Quote: Your teeth differs from the rest of your body in the sense that
antibiotics do not really cure, but rather relief symptoms. The
source is still untreated. The source is usually an infected nerve or
rather a necrotic nerve. This needs to be removed, and the tooth
treated and sealed before any kind of filling (eg crown) can be done.
Do it - go back - otherwise the same thing will just happen again, and
then ten times worse....!!!
Good luck!!
Andriette |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:13 am |
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To save your tooth then, you will need both.
It will not last for the rest of your life, but at least for a whole
couple of years.
The alternative is to extract it and look at somekind of replacement,
maybe implants... But thats something for another day.
Do not worry to much about the posting about the toxicity of it all
making your whole body ill - if you are going to worry about that,
then worry about all the air pollution etc etc making your whole body
sick as well...!! In the end nothing of that all is so serious.
Just get the root canal done and crown your tooth - you will be glad
in the end!!
beuespotgie...@googlemail.com wrote:
Quote: You might need both, but definitly the RCT!!!
As soon as a tooth is non-vital (after the nerve has been taken out
and RCT performed) it will in time become britle and brake. Better to
prevent that from happening!!
beuespotgie...@googlemail.com wrote:
Your teeth differs from the rest of your body in the sense that
antibiotics do not really cure, but rather relief symptoms. The
source is still untreated. The source is usually an infected nerve or
rather a necrotic nerve. This needs to be removed, and the tooth
treated and sealed before any kind of filling (eg crown) can be done.
Do it - go back - otherwise the same thing will just happen again, and
then ten times worse....!!!
Good luck!!
Andriette |
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