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| TheTravellingSalesman |
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 3:56 pm |
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Can anyone help me with this question?
At the end of an election, the eventual winner, candidate B, receives
m votes, and
H receives n < m votes. Assuming that as the votes are counted they
come as
independent random variables with probability half that they are for
either candidate,
show that the probability B always stayed ahead of H through the
counting process
is given by
(m - n)/(m + n) |
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| Jack Tomsky |
Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 5:02 pm |
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Quote: On Sat, 5 Apr 2008 18:56:10 -0700 (PDT),
TheTravellingSalesman
saad.zaman@gmail.com> wrote:
Can anyone help me with this question?
At the end of an election, the eventual winner,
candidate B, receives
m votes, and
H receives n < m votes. Assuming that as the votes
are counted they
come as
independent random variables with probability half
that they are for
either candidate,
show that the probability B always stayed ahead of
H through the
counting process
is given by
(m - n)/(m + n)
I've never seen that problem, and I'm surprised that
the answer is apparently that simple.
Well, it is true for n+m = 3. Maybe you can show it
by induction?
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Rich Ulrich
http://www.pitt.edu/~wpilib/index.html
Rich, this is known as the ballot problem. It counts the number of paths from (0,0) to (m+n,m-n) for which the y coordinate is positive from x=1 on, divided by the total number of paths. This gives the probability that B is always ahead of H during the entire counting process. You can find the derivation in Feller and similar books.
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| Richard Ulrich |
Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:12 pm |
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On Sat, 5 Apr 2008 18:56:10 -0700 (PDT), TheTravellingSalesman
<saad.zaman@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: Can anyone help me with this question?
At the end of an election, the eventual winner, candidate B, receives
m votes, and
H receives n < m votes. Assuming that as the votes are counted they
come as
independent random variables with probability half that they are for
either candidate,
show that the probability B always stayed ahead of H through the
counting process
is given by
(m - n)/(m + n)
I've never seen that problem, and I'm surprised that
the answer is apparently that simple.
Well, it is true for n+m = 3. Maybe you can show it
by induction?
--
Rich Ulrich
http://www.pitt.edu/~wpilib/index.html |
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| danheyman@yahoo.com |
Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:32 am |
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On Apr 5, 9:56 pm, TheTravellingSalesman <saad.za...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: Can anyone help me with this question?
At the end of an election, the eventual winner, candidate B, receives
m votes, and
H receives n < m votes. Assuming that as the votes are counted they
come as
independent random variables with probability half that they are for
either candidate,
show that the probability B always stayed ahead of H through the
counting process
is given by
(m - n)/(m + n)
Look up "ballot theorems" in a reference book or online. |
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| Richard Ulrich |
Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:29 pm |
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On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 23:02:47 EDT, Jack Tomsky <jtomsky@ix.netcom.com>
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Quote: On Sat, 5 Apr 2008 18:56:10 -0700 (PDT),
TheTravellingSalesman
saad.zaman@gmail.com> wrote:
Can anyone help me with this question?
At the end of an election, the eventual winner,
candidate B, receives
m votes, and
H receives n < m votes. Assuming that as the votes
are counted they
come as
independent random variables with probability half
that they are for
either candidate,
show that the probability B always stayed ahead of
H through the
counting process
is given by
(m - n)/(m + n)
I've never seen that problem, and I'm surprised that
the answer is apparently that simple.
Well, it is true for n+m = 3. Maybe you can show it
by induction?
--
Rich Ulrich
http://www.pitt.edu/~wpilib/index.html
Rich, this is known as the ballot problem. It counts the number of paths from (0,0) to (m+n,m-n) for which the y coordinate is positive from x=1 on, divided by the total number of paths. This gives the probability that B is always ahead of H during the entire counting process. You can find the derivation in Feller and similar books.
Jack,
Thanks. Even with a name given to it,
I don't remember seeing it.
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Rich Ulrich
http://www.pitt.edu/~wpilib/index.html |
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