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| Day Brown |
 Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 8:30 pm |
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To quote US gen Sherman:"We will give it to them".
But you cant fight and *win* with Christianity, Nazism, or Zionism.
These autocratic visions will only allow you to fight. They do not
want to win the war on terrorism, but milk it.
Tsun Tzu: "understand your enemy, but first, understand yourself." We
cannot win the war on terror using the methods of the alpha male
personality, altho we may use it to fight with. But to win, we need an
understanding of how that personality profile thinks, how its instinct
to want to dominate establishes steep pyramidal power structures to
concentrate wealth and power, so as to have the means to control women
for the sake of more sons with the same aggressive dominating
attitudes.
The peer-to-peer characteristic of the Internet is one of the tools we
can use to win. The film "Fitna" could not be released where there is
a power structure to control it. The film does not say how to fight
the war on terror, only that there already is a war on terror. To win,
you need first realize there is a problem.
When combined with superior intelligence and talent, the alpha male
personality uses the drive it has to produce great benefit for us all.
But when lacking those gifts, it results in, as Nietzsche put it, "the
rancor of the impotent". Which we see manifest as the desire to
destroy any system it cannot control. But as Fitna and other
presentations shows, it cant control the Internet.
And now, we can use the net to reign in all these autocratic visions
that both try to promote, and oppose Jihad. The prehistory of Native
Europeans is obscure, but back when the generally accepted concept of
the divine was the Great Earth Mother, there was peace.
this is easy to understand when you consider the problems a demagogue
would have trying to rile up a mob or an army by claiming that *he*
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| Day Brown |
| Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 7:58 am |
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On Mar 30, 9:20 am, zzpat <zzpatr...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: Day Brown wrote:
To quote US gen Sherman:"We will give it to them".
But you cant fight and *win* with Christianity, Nazism, or Zionism.
These autocratic visions will only allow you to fight. They do not
want to win the war on terrorism, but milk it.
I'd suggest NO ONE in the country wants to win the war on terror. We
know this because nothing has been asked of most Americans and most
Americans wouldn't do anything if asked (ie: we're not joining the
military in droves to fight this enemy).
So that leaves the obvious. The whole war on terror crap is exactly
that. It's crap. If Americans really, really thought our way of life was
threatened, students would drop out of college and join the military,
mothers and fathers would abandoned their children and join the military
etc. Industry would gear up and we'd have a war economy and Congress
would increase taxes to pay for it all.
Let's stop pretending anyone cares about Bush's silly little wars.
A reasonable assessment, but joining the military would not be an
effective way to win the war on terrorism. The Pentagon also does not
want to win this war, but milk it for the sake of the long carreers
that can be had there.
Your assessment of most Americans has certainly also been right on.
But now, with the credit crunch, housing foreclosure, bankruptcies,
etc... well, if you are kicked out of your house, you no longer are a
couch spud. What with this, jobs being lost to downsizing and
outsourcing, some people are waking up to reality.
Nobody would really giva fuck were it not for Arab oil. But they've
been using the oil money to fund Jihad. I saw a banker report to a
senate committee how the bombing of high rise towers had driven the
insurance costs so high, nobody would be building new towers.
Therefore, there wont be any more executive suites and penthouses for
the call girls. Well... we cant have that can we?
Since that senate hearing, we began the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan,
and the Jihadim have been drawn away from the fringes of Islam to its
core, and the bombings of the hotels and office towers has ended
replaced by IED and American grunts being killed. Well... that's no
problem is it?
No, the problem is the violence has damaged the oil infrastructure,
reduced supplies at a time when the emerging middle classes of India
and China have been buying new cars, and now want cheap gas at the
pumps the same as the Americans. So- not only has the price shot up,
the money the Arabs have to donate to the Jihadim has increased as
well.
As a result, the cost of living has gone up, the cost of security
services has gone up, the intrusiveness of those security services has
gone up, and- profits have gone down. On any given day, 80% of the
stock markets all over the world are off 1%. At the same time that
commodities are up. This risks systemic global economic collapse, and
some of the power elites have figured out that if that happens, they
will be dragged out of their office towers to be shot.
That concentrates the mind, so its high time for clearer view of who
we are, and what we need to do to deal with all this. The conventional
military notions are fighting the last war, not this one. You have any
notions of what should be done? |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 9:20 am |
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Day Brown wrote:
Quote: To quote US gen Sherman:"We will give it to them".
But you cant fight and *win* with Christianity, Nazism, or Zionism.
These autocratic visions will only allow you to fight. They do not
want to win the war on terrorism, but milk it.
I'd suggest NO ONE in the country wants to win the war on terror. We
know this because nothing has been asked of most Americans and most
Americans wouldn't do anything if asked (ie: we're not joining the
military in droves to fight this enemy).
So that leaves the obvious. The whole war on terror crap is exactly
that. It's crap. If Americans really, really thought our way of life was
threatened, students would drop out of college and join the military,
mothers and fathers would abandoned their children and join the military
etc. Industry would gear up and we'd have a war economy and Congress
would increase taxes to pay for it all.
Let's stop pretending anyone cares about Bush's silly little wars.
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Impeach Bush
http://zzpat.tripod.com/cvb/
Impeach Search Engine:
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| zzpat |
| Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 7:07 pm |
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Day Brown wrote:
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No, the problem is the violence has damaged the oil infrastructure,
reduced supplies at a time when the emerging middle classes of India
and China have been buying new cars, and now want cheap gas at the
pumps the same as the Americans. So- not only has the price shot up,
the money the Arabs have to donate to the Jihadim has increased as
well.
I strongly disagree. The price of gas and oil began to soar shortly
after Bush began talking about going to war in the Middle East. Back
then it was a "war premium."
Or put another way, if you were an oil man and you were president and
you wanted high oil prices, what would you do?
You'd find a reason to go to war in the Middle East and then you'd
change your reasons for war as fast as the seasons change so people
wouldn't catch on to what you're really doing and then you'd promise to
stay in that war for the rest of time so the market remains uncertain at
best and uncertainty breeds even higher prices.
--
Impeach Bush
http://zzpat.tripod.com/cvb/
Impeach Search Engine:
http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=012146513885108216046:rzesyut3kmm |
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| Day Brown |
| Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 8:18 pm |
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Polite discourse appreciated. But the jobs that have been outsourced
to India and China have now created a middle class population, with
modern middle class appetites for meat and mobility that is twice that
of the total US population.
What remains of the American middle class has to outbid these others,
and thus the global prices of commodites, not just petroleum, has
risen dramatically.
Not that Bush did not make it a lot worse with the stupid way he has
run the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, and on terrorism. But getting rid
of Bush now, as gratifying as that may be, is not going to solve the
problem. The situation is ambiguous, and dangerous.
If the US consomer goes broke, who's going to buy the manufactured
output of China and India? Sure, they will sell goods to the oil
producers, but there'll be a flood of goods for a limited amount of
oil. So much grain in India has been used to raise red meat that they
are again importing it. Never mind the problems they have with global
warming rainfall patterns. India has used oil to run pumps to irrigate
to make up for the lack of rainfall, but now the aquifers are falling,
and requiring more fuel.
China has been putting in pipelines to Mid East oil, and turned a
blind eye to what the Moslem fanatics are doing with the oil money.
American transnational oil companies have nothing to do with this,
other than their wilingness to pay any price in competition with the
Chinese is driving the price. |
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