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| SteveB |
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I have heard that if you sit a battery on the ground or concrete that it
will lose its charge faster. Is this true?
Steve |
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| Andy Dingley |
| Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:54 am |
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On 20 Mar, 16:54, "SteveB" <pittmanpir...@henderson.com> wrote:
Quote: I have heard that if you sit a battery on the ground or concrete that it
will lose its charge faster. Is this true?
Yes, in the Winter. Doesn't have to be cold enough to freeze, just
cold enough to get stratified layers of acid concentration in there. |
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| Lloyd E. Sponenburgh |
| Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:54 am |
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"SteveB" <pittmanpirate@henderson.com> fired this volley in news:ddaab5-
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Quote: I have heard that if you sit a battery on the ground or concrete that it
will lose its charge faster. Is this true?
If the ground or concrete is cold enough to freeze it, yes. Otherwise,
that's just an old wive's tale.
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| W. Kirk Crawford |
| Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:54 am |
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Steve,
If the battery is dirty, then that will cause a drain of the battery's charge. Place the battery on a wooden board or coke case.
Besides, how long do you plan leaving the battery on the gound?
W. Kirk Crawford
Tularosa, New Mexico
"SteveB" <pittmanpirate@henderson.com> wrote in message news:ddaab5-t5g2.ln1@news.infowest.com...
Quote: I have heard that if you sit a battery on the ground or concrete that it
will lose its charge faster. Is this true?
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| Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:54 am |
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Lloyd E. Sponenburgh <lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote in article
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Quote: "SteveB" <pittmanpirate@henderson.com> fired this volley in news:ddaab5-
t5g2.ln1@news.infowest.com:
I have heard that if you sit a battery on the ground or concrete that
it
will lose its charge faster. Is this true?
If the ground or concrete is cold enough to freeze it, yes. Otherwise,
that's just an old wive's tale.
LLoyd
It was actually true of the old hard-rubber cased batteries.
Electrons WOULD leak through the porous case to ground - eventually
discharging the battery.
It is NOT true of today's batteries. |
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| Leo Lichtman |
| Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:54 am |
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"W. Kirk Crawford" wrote: If the battery is dirty, then that will cause a
drain of the battery's charge. Place the battery on a wooden board or coke
case.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
If the battery has enough dirt on the outside to conduct electricity, the
drain will take place across the top. Setting it on a board or coke case
will have no effect. The bottom of the battery could be in contact with a
copper stake driven into the earth with no effect. It's not in the circuit. |
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| Martin Whybrow |
| Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 3:33 pm |
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"*" <nospam@this.addy.com> wrote in message
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Lloyd E. Sponenburgh <lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote in article
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"SteveB" <pittmanpirate@henderson.com> fired this volley in news:ddaab5-
t5g2.ln1@news.infowest.com:
I have heard that if you sit a battery on the ground or concrete that
it
will lose its charge faster. Is this true?
If the ground or concrete is cold enough to freeze it, yes. Otherwise,
that's just an old wive's tale.
LLoyd
It was actually true of the old hard-rubber cased batteries.
Electrons WOULD leak through the porous case to ground - eventually
discharging the battery.
It is NOT true of today's batteries.
You ARE joking, right?
Martin
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| Martin Whybrow |
| Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 3:47 pm |
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Are you *'s alter-ego?
Martin
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You ARE joking, right?
No.
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| RAM³ |
| Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 3:47 pm |
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"Martin Whybrow" <aholeintheground@ntlworld.com> wrote in news:CSzEj.818
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No. |
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| RAM³ |
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"Martin Whybrow" <aholeintheground@ntlworld.com> wrote in news:h3AEj.825
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Quote: Are you *'s alter-ego?
Martin
No. |
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| Don Young |
| Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:56 pm |
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"SteveB" <pittmanpirate@henderson.com> wrote in message
news:ddaab5-t5g2.ln1@news.infowest.com...
Quote: I have heard that if you sit a battery on the ground or concrete that it
will lose its charge faster. Is this true?
Steve
Like some other things I have heard over many, many years I believe this has
evolved. I think the rule to not place storage batteries directly on the
concrete but on wood instead was because the leaked acid would severely
damage the floor. I don't think it originally had anything to do with the
batteries discharging. If someone saw a dead battery sitting on concrete
with a batch of corrosion all over the bottom, it was easy to believe the
concrete had caused the battery to go dead.
Don Young |
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| SteveB |
| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:19 am |
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"Don Young" <notme@nonesuch.com> wrote in message
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"SteveB" <pittmanpirate@henderson.com> wrote in message
news:ddaab5-t5g2.ln1@news.infowest.com...
I have heard that if you sit a battery on the ground or concrete that it
will lose its charge faster. Is this true?
Steve
Like some other things I have heard over many, many years I believe this
has evolved. I think the rule to not place storage batteries directly on
the concrete but on wood instead was because the leaked acid would
severely damage the floor. I don't think it originally had anything to do
with the batteries discharging. If someone saw a dead battery sitting on
concrete with a batch of corrosion all over the bottom, it was easy to
believe the concrete had caused the battery to go dead.
Don Young
I'm sixty, and learn stuff every day. I love it. All my life, I've
believed this. Always sat my batteries on a piece of 2 x 6 on concrete.
Good, one less thing to do.
Steve |
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| z |
| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 6:34 am |
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On Mar 20, 10:56 pm, "Don Young" <no...@nonesuch.com> wrote:
Quote: "SteveB" <pittmanpir...@henderson.com> wrote in message
news:ddaab5-t5g2.ln1@news.infowest.com...>I have heard that if you sit a battery on the ground or concrete that it
will lose its charge faster. Is this true?
Steve
Like some other things I have heard over many, many years I believe this has
evolved. I think the rule to not place storage batteries directly on the
concrete but on wood instead was because the leaked acid would severely
damage the floor. I don't think it originally had anything to do with the
batteries discharging. If someone saw a dead battery sitting on concrete
with a batch of corrosion all over the bottom, it was easy to believe the
concrete had caused the battery to go dead.
Don Young
always seen this story; the only thing I could think of is that damp
concrete definitely exudes some sort of alkali vapor; leave a piece of
aluminum in a damp garage all winter and see all the crud it
accumulates. maybe that neutralizes the acid in the battery, although
if it's in the air i don't see what good a piece of plywood would do
unless it was wide enough that the battery was in its own microclimate. |
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| Martin H. Eastburn |
| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 10:14 pm |
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I'm in the same age bracket as Steve and believe in the acid separating from
the water in strata due to chilling it. Ionic flow must take place for battery
operation to take place. Without the acid mixed in evenly, only small areas of
the plates can conduct electrons. If only 5% is available, the effective
resistance is excessive and makes it look dead.
Martin
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SteveB wrote:
Quote: "Don Young" <notme@nonesuch.com> wrote in message
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"SteveB" <pittmanpirate@henderson.com> wrote in message
news:ddaab5-t5g2.ln1@news.infowest.com...
I have heard that if you sit a battery on the ground or concrete that it
will lose its charge faster. Is this true?
Steve
Like some other things I have heard over many, many years I believe this
has evolved. I think the rule to not place storage batteries directly on
the concrete but on wood instead was because the leaked acid would
severely damage the floor. I don't think it originally had anything to do
with the batteries discharging. If someone saw a dead battery sitting on
concrete with a batch of corrosion all over the bottom, it was easy to
believe the concrete had caused the battery to go dead.
Don Young
I'm sixty, and learn stuff every day. I love it. All my life, I've
believed this. Always sat my batteries on a piece of 2 x 6 on concrete.
Good, one less thing to do.
Steve
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| Joe Brophy |
| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:38 am |
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On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 08:54:22 -0800, "SteveB" <pittmanpirate@henderson.com> wrote:
Quote: I have heard that if you sit a battery on the ground or concrete that it
will lose its charge faster. Is this true?
Steve
A good place to get reliable information on leads acid batteries can be found at: http://www.batteryfaq.org/
The question you have is addressed under "battery myths", there is also excellent info on battery safety practices on the
same site. It is kept up to date to address changes in technology, at least thus far anyway. regards, Joe. |
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