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| nmp |
 Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:28 pm |
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Greg D. Moore \(Strider\) wrote:
Quote: You know, I keep thinking if they like it spicier than on the ground,
they'd have to ship up a LOT of spice if I ever flew 
Hmmm. How much garlic and thyme do you think an ATV could hold? ;)
I wonder if anyone has ever tried to really cook in space? What would be
necessary to make this possible? Of course, big honking frying pans are
useless in Zero G, but has anyone ever tried something more creative than
heating up precooked stuff? They surely must have a little microwave oven
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| Derek Lyons |
| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 1:22 am |
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nmp <address@is.invalid> wrote:
Quote: Greg D. Moore \(Strider\) wrote:
You know, I keep thinking if they like it spicier than on the ground,
they'd have to ship up a LOT of spice if I ever flew :-)
Hmmm. How much garlic and thyme do you think an ATV could hold? ;)
I wonder if anyone has ever tried to really cook in space? What would be
necessary to make this possible? Of course, big honking frying pans are
useless in Zero G, but has anyone ever tried something more creative than
heating up precooked stuff? They surely must have a little microwave oven
up there. What else?
A microwave oven counts as cooking only in the most broad and generous
of definitions.
D.
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http://derekl1963.livejournal.com/
-Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings.
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| nmp |
| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:55 am |
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Derek Lyons wrote:
Quote: nmp <address@is.invalid> wrote:
Greg D. Moore \(Strider\) wrote:
You know, I keep thinking if they like it spicier than on the ground,
they'd have to ship up a LOT of spice if I ever flew :-)
Hmmm. How much garlic and thyme do you think an ATV could hold? ;)
I wonder if anyone has ever tried to really cook in space? What would be
necessary to make this possible? Of course, big honking frying pans are
useless in Zero G, but has anyone ever tried something more creative
than heating up precooked stuff? They surely must have a little
microwave oven up there. What else?
A microwave oven counts as cooking only in the most broad and generous
of definitions.
Precisely. But a combined oven (what you call them in English, with hot
air blowers) would give a few more possibilities. |
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| Jochem Huhmann |
| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:52 pm |
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fairwater@gmail.com (Derek Lyons) writes:
Quote: "Brian Gaff" <Briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
It is hard to make the kind of equipment quiet and for it to stay that way.
It's non trivial, but eminently doable. The problem however is
twofold: it costs two things in short supply on ISS - space and
weight, and it has to be designed into the equipment from Day One.
Long ago I've read an article about the (german) company designing and
manufacturing some of the air ducts for the ISS and they seemed to be
well aware of the problem -- noise reduction was high on the priority
list. But there're so many things running all the time there and when
you can not rely on warm air rising by itself you have to move lots of
air around all the time...
Jochem
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| Jochem Huhmann |
| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 3:28 pm |
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nmp <address@is.invalid> writes:
Quote: I wonder if anyone has ever tried to really cook in space? What would be
necessary to make this possible? Of course, big honking frying pans are
useless in Zero G, but has anyone ever tried something more creative than
heating up precooked stuff? They surely must have a little microwave oven
up there. What else?
I think a kind of a chinese wok made of a heated, rotating metal sphere
could be used -- heat and spin it up, inject some oil, put some cut-down
vegetables and meat in (prepared from dried or frozen stocks), shake
well for a few minutes and you're done. Add a zero-g rice-cooker (should
be simple, you only need a way to generate steam from water) and you can
do quite a bit of serious meal preparing. Stir-frying seems to be a
natural fit for weightlessness, especially since you'll be able to
prepare food in bite-sized pieces with it.
Another thing would be some device for baking bread. Having fresh bread
every day could be an enormous advantage for longer missions because you
can easily add spices, nuts, olives and a myriad of other things to the
dough to add some variation and to allow some creativity. Small
bread-baking machines are quite common nowadays and I don't see any
reason those shouldn't work in zero-g. A kind of pancake made with two
heated plates pressed together should be possible, too.
I'm quite sure you'd need something like that for longer missions.
Having people eat the same two dozens of precooked meals for two years
or more seems to be a sure receipt for frustation... Even on Mir or ISS
the meals seem to become a major point after some months and an orange
or an apple brought by visiting crews seem to become very valued items.
Jochem
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longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take away."
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| John Doe |
| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 4:56 pm |
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Jochem Huhmann wrote:
Quote: Long ago I've read an article about the (german) company designing and
manufacturing some of the air ducts for the ISS and they seemed to be
well aware of the problem -- noise reduction was high on the priority
list. But there're so many things running all the time there and when
you can not rely on warm air rising by itself you have to move lots of
air around all the time...
The US modules use as much water cooled devices as possible. This
greatly reduces the noise levels.
However, I think that Destiny still needs to have huge fans. It now
pulls air in via ducts from Unity/Quest/Zarya on one side and from
Harmony/Columbus/Kibo on the other side. So those ducts would be moving
large volumes or air (and to do that, it would be travelling at a fair
speed (hence noisier in the ducts, and at the blower site.
As well, all that air that it pulls in needs to be treated/heated/cooled
and then released into Destiny and flows back to the other modules
through the opened CBM hatches.
The USA learned from Mir about noise levels and made a good effort to
control noice on its new modules. I think the Russians made *an* effort
for Zvezda, but nothing radically different. |
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| John Doe |
| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 5:06 pm |
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Quote: A microwave oven counts as cooking only in the most broad and generous
of definitions.
One huge problem is immobilising food in the oven.
Someone mentioned baking bread. You'd probably have the dough in a rough
"baguette" shape that is sqewered on some metal stick that would hold
it in place in the oven. It would cook from all around (eg: no baking
pan to hold it.
But cooking a roast beef would require the roast beef be placed in some
sort of heat resistant bag to contain all the juices that would flow
out, and this would have issues of how to release the extra pressure
when water boils inside the bag, and whether the roast would be "cooked"
or boiled in steam.
However, improving food preparation in space would be far more
interesting "research" than watching crystals grow in a test tube. There
are definite challenges to it.
Cooking vegetables in a bag in a microwave would be quite easy. (but
again, you have the problem of ensuring only steam escapes from bag, no
liquids/butter/olive oil).
Of course, they would probably need to convert their "Sub Zero" freezer
into a conventional refrigirator... |
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| Derek Lyons |
| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:06 pm |
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John Doe <jdoe@doe.org> wrote:
Quote:
A microwave oven counts as cooking only in the most broad and generous
of definitions.
One huge problem is immobilising food in the oven.
Someone mentioned baking bread. You'd probably have the dough in a rough
"baguette" shape that is sqewered on some metal stick that would hold
it in place in the oven. It would cook from all around (eg: no baking
pan to hold it.
Probably much easier to enclose it in an open ended tube or a closed
box. (Which are both proven methods.)
Quote: But cooking a roast beef would require the roast beef be placed in some
sort of heat resistant bag to contain all the juices that would flow
out, and this would have issues of how to release the extra pressure
when water boils inside the bag, and whether the roast would be "cooked"
or boiled in steam.
'Boiled in steam' is 'cooked'... This method of cooking is known as
boil-in-bag and has been around for decades. (Though its a bit of a
misnomer as the contents don't actually boil.) A more modern method
is sous-vide which involves cooking at much lower temperatures, no
pressure or steam involved.
Quote: However, improving food preparation in space would be far more
interesting "research" than watching crystals grow in a test tube. There
are definite challenges to it.
The science performed on the station isn't selected to give you a
stiffie.
D.
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Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh.
http://derekl1963.livejournal.com/
-Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings.
Oct 5th, 2004 JDL |
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| Mike Ross |
| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:01 pm |
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nmp wrote:
Quote: Derek Lyons wrote:
nmp <address@is.invalid> wrote:
Greg D. Moore \(Strider\) wrote:
I wonder if anyone has ever tried to really cook in space? What would be
necessary to make this possible? Of course, big honking frying pans are
useless in Zero G, but has anyone ever tried something more creative
than heating up precooked stuff? They surely must have a little
microwave oven up there. What else?
A microwave oven counts as cooking only in the most broad and generous
of definitions.
Precisely. But a combined oven (what you call them in English, with hot
air blowers) would give a few more possibilities.
They have a microwave oven, which recently gave some trouble. The
importance of this item was evidenced in the way room was ruthlessly carved
out of the next available mission manifest to send up a replacement.
Mike Ross |
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| Jeff Findley |
| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 5:57 pm |
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Quote: I thought the russian service module was equipped with all kinds of
hygienic stuff...
No shower or clothes washer/dryer.
Quote: They wash themselves by hand only then? For several months?
Yes, this is what they do.
Quote: What does the space station smell like from inside?
Surely as bad as the shuttle does after a couple of weeks with five to seven
people living in it. Which is to say the smell bowls you over.
Jeff
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A wise person avoids it. -- Einstein |
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| nmp |
| Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 4:04 am |
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Mike Ross wrote:
Quote: nmp wrote:
Derek Lyons wrote:
nmp <address@is.invalid> wrote:
Greg D. Moore \(Strider\) wrote:
I wonder if anyone has ever tried to really cook in space? What would
be necessary to make this possible? Of course, big honking frying pans
are useless in Zero G, but has anyone ever tried something more
creative than heating up precooked stuff? They surely must have a
little microwave oven up there. What else?
A microwave oven counts as cooking only in the most broad and generous
of definitions.
Precisely. But a combined oven (what you call them in English, with hot
air blowers) would give a few more possibilities.
They have a microwave oven, which recently gave some trouble. The
importance of this item was evidenced in the way room was ruthlessly
carved out of the next available mission manifest to send up a
replacement.
Good!
Never mind the silly experiments, a popty ping is what we need. |
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| John Doe |
| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:37 am |
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A rare moment: NASA TV is carrying the joint crew dinner. It is in
zvezda. They have music going. And you can hear voices, but can't follow
conversations.
But there is a very very definite "powerful" white noise. Reminds me a
bit of a car wash heard from the street, with its powerful blowers to
dry cars.
In the past, we had seen the press conferences in zvezda with mikes used
near mouths, whereas in this scene, the mikes were probably floating
around, providing ambiant noise/sounds, so the background noises were
far mroe prominant. |
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