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| Florian |
Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 4:42 pm |
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oriel36 <kelleher.gerald@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: Good,stick with your surface correlations and Earth expansion,you
would not like fossil data of land animals demonstrating that great
creatures roamed an Earth which is pretty much the same size today.
Whatever. I don't know where you read that a growing earth was not
compatible with terrestrial animal, but that was bullshit.
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"Toute vérité passe par trois phases. D'abord, elle est ridiculisée;
ensuite, elle rencontre une vive opposition avant d'être acceptée comme
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| Florian |
Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 5:17 pm |
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oriel36 <kelleher.gerald@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: looked at your
ee notion,recognised that an expanding Earth means that the oceans
would have covered all landmass 100's millions of years ago and leave
no room for land animals.
And that is stupid reasoning! Water comes form devolatilization of the
mantle. It is evident that there was less water 100 millions years ago.
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"Toute vérité passe par trois phases. D'abord, elle est ridiculisée;
ensuite, elle rencontre une vive opposition avant d'être acceptée comme
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| oriel36 |
Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:55 am |
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On Mar 16, 10:17 pm, auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net
(Florian) wrote:
Quote: oriel36 <kelleher.ger...@gmail.com> wrote:
looked at your
ee notion,recognised that an expanding Earth means that the oceans
would have covered all landmass 100's millions of years ago and leave
no room for land animals.
And that is stupid reasoning! Water comes form devolatilization of the
mantle. It is evident that there was less water 100 millions years ago.
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Florian
"Toute vérité passe par trois phases. D'abord, elle est ridiculisée;
ensuite, elle rencontre une vive opposition avant d'être acceptée comme
une totale évidence" - Arthur Schopenhauer
Oh ,so now you know the composition of the mantle in line with those
who follow geostationary 'convection cells' notions,
The problem with the tectonic guys who adhere to convection cells and
yourselves is that you can make up whatever story is needed to suit
your conclusions.I agree with Galileo as to the type of individual
this stuff comes from -
"I know; such men do not deduce their conclusion from its premises or
establish it by reason, but they accommodate (I should have said
discommode and distort) the premises and reasons to a conclusion which
for them is already established and nailed down. No good can come of
dealing with such people, especially to the extent that their company
may be not only unpleasant but dangerous." Galileo
It is the mediocrity which makes it dangerous,the utter waste of
excellent information in contending with junk such as ee and good for
you if you want a balooning Earth and those who wish to contend with
it.I am content with paleontological data which supports that no great
difference exists in the size of the Earth and the story that fossils
tell.Have a ball with a balooning Earth,I have a rotating interior to
discuss with those who may wish to consider a common mechansim for
planetary shape and crustal motion. |
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| oriel36 |
Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:02 am |
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On Mar 16, 10:17 pm, auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net
(Florian) wrote:
Quote: oriel36 <kelleher.ger...@gmail.com> wrote:
looked at your
ee notion,recognised that an expanding Earth means that the oceans
would have covered all landmass 100's millions of years ago and leave
no room for land animals.
And that is stupid reasoning! Water comes form devolatilization of the
mantle.
Florian
Of course your 'devolatilzation of the mantle' involves subduction
which you manage to argue against in trying to support the ee junk -
http://www.sfb574.ifm-geomar.de/php/goto/Scientific_Concept/index.php
You I do not mind,I know you from the astronomical forums where you
were just another jargon spouting clone,I have plenty to say to the
plate tectonic guys who are causing the concept to stagnate. |
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| Florian |
Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:05 pm |
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oriel36 <kelleher.gerald@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: I am content with paleontological data which supports that no great
difference exists in the size of the Earth and the story that fossils
tell.
That is a false statement. There is no way to tell the size of the earth
from paleontological records.
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Florian
"Toute vérité passe par trois phases. D'abord, elle est ridiculisée;
ensuite, elle rencontre une vive opposition avant d'être acceptée comme
une totale évidence" - Arthur Schopenhauer |
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| Florian |
Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:05 pm |
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oriel36 <kelleher.gerald@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: Of course your 'devolatilzation of the mantle' involves subduction
which you manage to argue against in trying to support the ee junk -
Wrong again. Devolatilization occurs obviously at the ridges or at any
place material erupts. There are also some good evidence that the
lithosphere is leaking gases through its faults (it was proven for
Helium).
In regard to subduction, you certainly misspelled "overthrusting".
Well, mate, I'm afraid this discussion won't be very constructive. Bye
then.
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Florian
"Toute vérité passe par trois phases. D'abord, elle est ridiculisée;
ensuite, elle rencontre une vive opposition avant d'être acceptée comme
une totale évidence" - Arthur Schopenhauer |
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| oriel36 |
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:30 am |
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On Mar 17, 11:05 pm, auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net
(Florian) wrote:
Quote: oriel36 <kelleher.ger...@gmail.com> wrote:
Of course your 'devolatilzation of the mantle' involves subduction
which you manage to argue against in trying to support the ee junk -
Wrong again. Devolatilization occurs obviously at the ridges or at any
place material erupts. There are also some good evidence that the
lithosphere is leaking gases through its faults (it was proven for
Helium).
In regard to subduction, you certainly misspelled "overthrusting".
Well, mate, I'm afraid this discussion won't be very constructive. Bye
then.
--
Florian
"Toute vérité passe par trois phases. D'abord, elle est ridiculisée;
ensuite, elle rencontre une vive opposition avant d'être acceptée comme
une totale évidence" - Arthur Schopenhauer
Good for you,you want subduction for water generation and don't want
it for your balooning Earth.To think that the guys who inherit the
plate tectonic concept are finding a common ground for discussion with
a clone like you who wants to use geology as a platform for the same
nonsense that has wrecked astronomy.
Again,your kind has always been around but always as a nuisance -
"I know; such men do not deduce their conclusion from its premises or
establish it by reason, but they accommodate (I should have said
discommode and distort) the premises and reasons to a conclusion which
for them is already established and nailed down. No good can come of
dealing with such people, especially to the extent that their company
may be not only unpleasant but dangerous." Galileo
You go ahead and play around with surface correlations to support your
balooning Earth,there is always an audience among the simpleminded for
that sort of stuff and suitable for your level of intelligence. |
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| oriel36 |
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:13 am |
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On Mar 17, 11:05 pm, auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net
(Florian) wrote:
Quote: oriel36 <kelleher.ger...@gmail.com> wrote:
I am content with paleontological data which supports that no great
difference exists in the size of the Earth and the story that fossils
tell.
That is a false statement. There is no way to tell the size of the earth
from paleontological records.
I do not like making somebody look like a fool and especially a person
who can barely string together a dozen words.
Now that you have argued for water creation to keep pace with Earth
expansion,you would have to explain fossils of sharks and other marine
creatures found in rocks and the basis of the orginal geological
principles by Steno -
http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/history/steno.html
Better still,why don't you go back to your version of astronomy where
there are plenty of exotic things like black holes and multiple
universes to discuss and do not involve any type of reasoning based on
physical considerations.Of course you may think you are clever instead
of being another boring clone with nothing to say.
You would not like rotational dynamics and plate motion,that involves
considerable deliberations even in outlines so have a nice time with
your balooning Earth now,it sounds great.
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Florian
"Toute vérité passe par trois phases. D'abord, elle est ridiculisée;
ensuite, elle rencontre une vive opposition avant d'être acceptée comme
une totale évidence" - Arthur Schopenhauer |
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:58 am |
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On Mar 18, 7:34 pm, auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net
(Florian) wrote:
Quote: oriel36 <kelleher.ger...@gmail.com> wrote:
Good for you,you want subduction for water generation
?? Whatever.
Quote: and don't want it for your balooning Earth.
If you mean by subduction, that odean floor is buried by overthrusting,
then that is ok. But if you believe that the seafloor is literally
plunging in the mantle, you have to be crazy.
Quote: Let me show you something:
http://nachon.free.fr/GE/pacific/Philippines.jpg
See the Mariana orocline (E145/N20) ? The front is arc-shaped and show
the direction of absolute motion. It is lithosphere pushed from below by
mantle upwelling so that it overrides older seafloor and lithosphere is
stretched at the back of the orocline thus forming a new ridge. These
oroclines are *Everywhere*.
If you can't figure it out, then change of discipline.
--
Florian
"Toute vérité passe par trois phases. D'abord, elle est ridiculisée;
ensuite, elle rencontre une vive opposition avant d'être acceptée comme
une totale évidence" - Arthur Schopenhauer
You are using convection cells terms of lithosphere and mantle and I
already told you and everyone else here that the criteria for the
composition and viscosity of the interior relies on on what dynamics
is involved and how to link planetary shape and plate motion using a
common geodynamic.You want to using the jargon of convection cells to
arrive at an ee conclusion but then again I am not arriving at any
conclusions but setting a point of departure based on rotational
dynamics as it is applied to crustal motion and evolution.
What would I have to gain by discussing an important matter with a
person who can make up whatever story you need to suit whatever
conclusion you want.The point of introducing geodynamics as they apply
top planetary shape and crustal motion is to prevent irritating people
like you from running amok with stable geological principles even if
the picture is only emerging.
A balooning Earth only means you have no regard for biological let
alone geological evolution,your kind will be happy enough to juggle
surface correlations around without any central theme or rather as a
platform for pretensious jargon of 'absolute motion' ,junk terms that
mean nothing and never will.I am happy for you and your surface
correlations,it appears the convection cell guys have joined you in
that severly limited perspective leaving me to promote geodynamics in
my own terms. |
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| oriel36 |
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:14 am |
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On Mar 18, 7:34 pm, auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net
(Florian) wrote:
Quote: oriel36 <kelleher.ger...@gmail.com> wrote:
Good for you,you want subduction for water generation
?? Whatever.
and don't want it for your balooning Earth.
If you mean by subduction, that odean floor is buried by overthrusting,
then that is ok. But if you believe that the seafloor is literally
plunging in the mantle, you have to be crazy.
Let me show you something:
http://nachon.free.fr/GE/pacific/Philippines.jpg
See the Mariana orocline (E145/N20) ? The front is arc-shaped and show
the direction of absolute motion. It is lithosphere pushed from below by
mantle upwelling so that it overrides older seafloor and lithosphere is
stretched at the back of the orocline thus forming a new ridge. These
oroclines are *Everywhere*.
If you can't figure it out, then change of discipline.
--
Florian
"Toute vérité passe par trois phases. D'abord, elle est ridiculisée;
ensuite, elle rencontre une vive opposition avant d'être acceptée comme
une totale évidence" - Arthur Schopenhauer
You only get one shot at promoting your balooning Earth and
considering you used a conventional plate tectonic explanation for the
generation of water what would I have to gain by discussing anything
with a person who can act like a spoilt child an indulge himself in
then concluding subduction does not exist Biological evolution is
always intimately linked with plate motiom and I love that side of
geology too much to care for somebody who only traffics in surface
correlations.
The unfortunate part is that plate tectonics as a whole
package,demonstrating the forces acting on the Earth internally and
astronomically,fossil data,climatological elements ect will be
undermined by junk concepts such as your own .As the person who uses
differential rotation as the common link between planetary shape and
crustal motion my only concern is that 'convection cells' do not
undermine plate tectonics rather than dealing with the worthless junk
in your head.
Many are sucked into asking about 'mass' but I enjoy that the Earth's
climate and geology has not changed much since the dinosaurs and
mammals roamed the planet.There is nothing to be gained by believing
otherwise unless you have an addiction for exotic junk as is now found
in astronomy. |
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| oriel36 |
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:22 am |
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On Mar 18, 8:11 pm, auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net
(Florian) wrote:
Quote: oriel36 <kelleher.ger...@gmail.com> wrote:
You are using convection [...]
Wrong after only 3 words. Congratulation!
Convection implies upward and downward circulation.
What we see is what we get. We only have evidence of upward movement
(diapirism).
Guess what? auxotectonics implies precisely there should be ascending
material making its way toward the surface... Go figure who's right...
--
Florian
"Toute vérité passe par trois phases. D'abord, elle est ridiculisée;
ensuite, elle rencontre une vive opposition avant d'être acceptée comme
une totale évidence" - Arthur Schopenhauer
You just play around with your balooning Earth do you hear,I have to
find an adult who can discuss differential rotation as a generalised
dynamic for a rotating interior in a molten/flexible state as it
applies to crustal motion/evolution.
I really would have nothing to say to a balooning Earth guy for that
is a conclusion based on juggling surface features while plate
tectonics and geodynamics is basically a point of departure for
looking at the interior composition.IIn the meantime,the broad
outlines of plate motion is fine but unfortunately there will be many
nuisances like yourself showing up and dragging excellent data into
intellectual tinsel paper discussions full of worthless jargon with no
central theme.
Take it or leave it,you ewither get geodynamics as it applies to
crustal motion or you do not. |
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| oriel36 |
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:33 am |
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On Mar 18, 8:02 pm, auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net
(Florian) wrote:
Quote: oriel36 <kelleher.ger...@gmail.com> wrote:
I do not like making somebody look like a fool and especially a person
who can barely string together a dozen words.
Feel free to correct my english. I don't mind.
Now that you have argued for water creation to keep pace with Earth
expansion,you would have to explain fossils of sharks and other marine
creatures found in rocks and the basis of the orginal geological
principles by Steno -
Yet another Strawman...
Let me get this straight. There has always been water on earth. Period.
--
Florian
"Toute vérité passe par trois phases. D'abord, elle est ridiculisée;
ensuite, elle rencontre une vive opposition avant d'être acceptée comme
une totale évidence" - Arthur Schopenhauer
You cannot hold a discussion,you reasoning is all over the place and
all the jargon spoiuting in the world cannot disguise it.If you want a
balooning Earth and can find a way to get to that conclusion then good
for you,it sounds like a great idea and I have no objection to you
following it to your heart's content.
Nobody knows where water comes from but who knows where the insightful
break will come from,maybe astronomy,maybe geology but it will not be
a strained answer or a quick conclusion but part of an arrangement of
reasoning and it may be a long,long time.
Make you wild guesses and gestures,there is always an audience for
that stuff however there may be a group who likes the reasoning which
started off astronomical and geological principles such as that of
Copernicus , Steno and Wegener.I have seen nothing in your reponses to
indicate that you can reason effectively or rather you simply fall
back on surface correlations to arrive at your quaint conclusion.
You would not like geodynamics and plate motion so stick with your
balooning Earth and I mean that besides it is too irritating to deal
with a guy who can only write one sentence. |
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| don findlay |
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:15 pm |
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oriel36 wrote:
Quote: On Mar 18, 7:34�pm, auxotectonics_deletethis@nachon_andthis.net
(Florian) wrote:
oriel36 <kelleher.ger...@gmail.com> wrote:
Good for you,you want subduction for water generation
?? Whatever.
and don't want it for your balooning Earth.
If you mean by subduction, that odean floor is buried by overthrusting,
then that is ok. But if you believe that the seafloor is literally
plunging in the mantle, you have to be crazy.
Let me show you something:
http://nachon.free.fr/GE/pacific/Philippines.jpg
See the Mariana orocline (E145/N20) ? The front is arc-shaped and show
the direction of absolute motion. It is lithosphere pushed from below by
mantle upwelling so that it overrides older seafloor and lithosphere is
stretched at the back of the orocline thus forming a new ridge. These
oroclines are *Everywhere*.
If you can't figure it out, then change of discipline.
--
Florian
"Toute v�rit� passe par trois phases. D'abord, elle est ridiculis�e;
ensuite, elle rencontre une vive opposition avant d'�tre accept�e comme
une totale �vidence" - Arthur Schopenhauer
You only get one shot at promoting your balooning Earth and
considering you used a conventional plate tectonic explanation for the
generation of water what would I have to gain by discussing anything
with a person who can act like a spoilt child an indulge himself in
then concluding subduction does not exist Biological evolution is
always intimately linked with plate motiom and I love that side of
geology too much to care for somebody who only traffics in surface
correlations.
No, no, no, ...You're confusing Plate Tectonics with continental
drift. Plate Tectonics is not about the beautiful segues of parting
plates, ... that's about Earth expansion; but about the ugly lies of
plate collisions that crumple crust and build mountains, and leave
them looking like this:-
http://users.indigo.net.au/don/to/blue.html
...which is also about Earth expansion.
:-)
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The unfortunate part is that plate tectonics as a whole
package,demonstrating the forces acting on the Earth internally and
astronomically,fossil data,climatological elements ect will be
undermined by junk concepts such as your own .As the person who uses
differential rotation as the common link between planetary shape and
crustal motion my only concern is that 'convection cells' do not
undermine plate tectonics rather than dealing with the worthless junk
in your head.
Many are sucked into asking about 'mass' but I enjoy that the Earth's
climate and geology has not changed much since the dinosaurs and
mammals roamed the planet.There is nothing to be gained by believing
otherwise unless you have an addiction for exotic junk as is now found
in astronomy. |
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| Florian |
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:34 pm |
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oriel36 <kelleher.gerald@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: Good for you,you want subduction for water generation
?? Whatever.
Quote: and don't want it for your balooning Earth.
If you mean by subduction, that odean floor is buried by overthrusting,
then that is ok. But if you believe that the seafloor is literally
plunging in the mantle, you have to be crazy.
Let me show you something:
<http://nachon.free.fr/GE/pacific/Philippines.jpg>
See the Mariana orocline (E145/N20) ? The front is arc-shaped and show
the direction of absolute motion. It is lithosphere pushed from below by
mantle upwelling so that it overrides older seafloor and lithosphere is
stretched at the back of the orocline thus forming a new ridge. These
oroclines are *Everywhere*.
If you can't figure it out, then change of discipline.
--
Florian
"Toute vérité passe par trois phases. D'abord, elle est ridiculisée;
ensuite, elle rencontre une vive opposition avant d'être acceptée comme
une totale évidence" - Arthur Schopenhauer |
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| Florian |
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:02 pm |
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oriel36 <kelleher.gerald@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: I do not like making somebody look like a fool and especially a person
who can barely string together a dozen words.
Feel free to correct my english. I don't mind.
Quote: Now that you have argued for water creation to keep pace with Earth
expansion,you would have to explain fossils of sharks and other marine
creatures found in rocks and the basis of the orginal geological
principles by Steno -
Yet another Strawman...
Let me get this straight. There has always been water on earth. Period.
--
Florian
"Toute vérité passe par trois phases. D'abord, elle est ridiculisée;
ensuite, elle rencontre une vive opposition avant d'être acceptée comme
une totale évidence" - Arthur Schopenhauer |
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