I had about 40 people for the talk yesterday morning. Mostly older
folk-- younger ones no doubt were out partying at 9 a.m. for St. Paddies
day, as this curious custom of the US of moving the festival to the
nearest Saturday rather than the 17th has taken hold.

I was happy, though, as I live in a town of about 5000 people, and that
isn't bad...

One of the papers I do a geology column for has a reader survey with
their renewals -- what articles do they read, etc. about 1/4 to 1/3 or
the returns have been marking the geology articles as of interest, and
this is primarily a hunting/fishing publication.

I don't know that geology museums, rock collecting, public education,
etc., can ever be as popular as zoos or art galleries, but I think many
geologists sell themselves short about what public appeal there is for
the earth sciences out there.

On 16 Mar, 16:23, Jo Schaper <jo345sch765a...@s9ocket.net> wrote:
I had about 40 people for the talk yesterday morning. Mostly older
folk-- younger ones no doubt were out partying at 9 a.m. for St. Paddies
day, as this curious custom of the US of moving the festival to the
nearest Saturday rather than the 17th has taken hold.


The calendrical meshing of the shamrock and the palm only happens on
the rarest of occasions where Palm Sunday overtakes St Patricks day or
where both days exist simultaneously,the last was 1940 and the next
one is hundreds of years from now.

Holy week takes precedence over local holidays hence the shifting of
the holiday to the 15th as can be seen in this article -

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2007/0718/breaking85.html?via=me

While it looks like trivia,anybody who absorbs the intersecting
threads involved in timekeeping astronomy will start to appreciate
terrestrial and celestial phenomena more along with the satisfying
history of humanity's involvement in these areas.

oriel36 wrote:
On 16 Mar, 16:23, Jo Schaper <jo345sch765a...@s9ocket.net> wrote:
I had about 40 people for the talk yesterday morning. Mostly older
folk-- younger ones no doubt were out partying at 9 a.m. for St. Paddies
day, as this curious custom of the US of moving the festival to the
nearest Saturday rather than the 17th has taken hold.

The calendrical meshing of the shamrock and the palm only happens on
the rarest of occasions where Palm Sunday overtakes St Patricks day or
where both days exist simultaneously,the last was 1940 and the next
one is hundreds of years from now.

Holy week takes precedence over local holidays hence the shifting of
the holiday to the 15th as can be seen in this article -

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2007/0718/breaking85.html?v...

While it looks like trivia,anybody who absorbs the intersecting
threads involved in timekeeping astronomy will start to appreciate
terrestrial and celestial phenomena more along with the satisfying
history of humanity's involvement in these areas.

Quite frankly, the local archbishop, in his eternal silliness, has
*forbidden* the local Hibernian Society (who do the real St. Pats
Parade, still happening on Monday, and for whom being Irish and Catholic
are requirements) to have a Mass to kick off the parade, as they have
always done under a long succession of previous bishops. )A year or so
back, he refused to lift the interdict on meat on Lenten Fridays (and
St. Pat's is almost always in Lent) for the consumption of corned beef.

The Hibernians therefore aren't going to an extra Mass because the
parish priest is under orders from the bishop not to say one. Now, that
makes REAL sense if you are trying to preserve and spread the faith!

If anyone were actually Catholic, they would realize that NOTHING
liturgical happens on Monday or Tuesday of Holy Week. Usually, NOTHING
happens on Wednesday either (well, sometimes Wed. evening under the
sundown to sundown wing of revisionist Christians). But for most people
and churches, it's just Thursday through Sunday...

I would understand totally if St. Pats fell on any of the liturgically
significant days-- but it doesn't. The move to the previous Saturday is
strictly commercial,(more bars are open, more green stuff to be sold)and
nothing religious about it.

The strange thing is-- this archbishop *is* Irish! But obviously of the
dour Irish variety. May God ha mercy onna his soul...- Hide quoted text -

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On Mar 17, 1:21 am, Jo Schaper <jo34schape...@s9oc21ket.03net> wrote:





oriel36 wrote:
On 16 Mar, 16:23, Jo Schaper <jo345sch765a...@s9ocket.net> wrote:
I had about 40 people for the talk yesterday morning. Mostly older
folk-- younger ones no doubt were out partying at 9 a.m. for St. Paddies
day, as this curious custom of the US of moving the festival to the
nearest Saturday rather than the 17th has taken hold.

The calendrical meshing of the shamrock and the palm only happens on
the rarest of occasions where Palm Sunday overtakes St Patricks day or
where both days exist simultaneously,the last was 1940 and the next
one is hundreds of years from now.

Holy week takes precedence over local holidays hence the shifting of
the holiday to the 15th as can be seen in this article -

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2007/0718/breaking85.html?v....

While it looks like trivia,anybody who absorbs the intersecting
threads involved in timekeeping astronomy will start to appreciate
terrestrial and celestial phenomena more along with the satisfying
history of humanity's involvement in these areas.

Quite frankly, the local archbishop, in his eternal silliness, has
*forbidden* the local Hibernian Society (who do the real St. Pats
Parade, still happening on Monday, and for whom being Irish and Catholic
are requirements) to have a Mass to kick off the parade, as they have
always done under a long succession of previous bishops. )A year or so
back, he refused to lift the interdict on meat on Lenten Fridays (and
St. Pat's is almost always in Lent) for the consumption of corned beef.

In Ireland,all bets are off for St Patrick's day so if you give up
candy,drink,ect  for Lent you get the day off,whoever made up this
rule I do not know but there you have it and no Church leader has been
silly enough to question  St Patrick's exemption .I know only on Ash
Wednesday and Good Friday that meat is off the menu and most people
enjoy the chance to eat fish instead,the fish dealers used to show up
in the fishing ports of the East coast of America with rolls of cash
to buy directly from the fishermen come the latter part of Holy Week.

The Hibernians therefore aren't going to an extra Mass because the
parish priest is under orders from the bishop not to say one. Now, that
makes REAL sense if you are trying to preserve and spread the faith!

If anyone were actually Catholic, they would realize that NOTHING
liturgical happens on Monday or Tuesday of Holy Week. Usually, NOTHING
happens on Wednesday either (well, sometimes Wed. evening under the
sundown to sundown wing of revisionist Christians). But for most people
and churches, it's just Thursday through Sunday...

Well,the coincidence of shamrock and palm is such a rare event and it
is a gateway to seeing how great an influence astronomical timekeeping
played in organising the Easter celebrations.For those of us who
practice denominational Christian traditions (matters of intutive
faith are private and seperate  affairs) Easter is almost a  Spring
festival,the death of one life and the return of a new one played out
against the divisions of the seasons.To be fair,denominational
Christianity and the dictates of a careless clerical leader takes away
from the festival and although many think of Easter ending on the
Cross,real Christians know it ends in the garden .

I always loved Evelyn Underhill's expression of this -

"For them the winter is over: the time of the singing of birds is
come. From the deeps of the dewy garden, Life--new, unquenchable, and
ever lovely--comes to meet them with the dawn."

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/underhill/mysticism.iv.xi.html





I would understand totally if St. Pats fell on any of the liturgically
significant days--  but it doesn't. The move to the previous Saturday is
strictly commercial,(more bars are open, more green stuff to be sold)and
nothing religious about it.

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On 17 mar, 18:35, oriel36 <kelleher.ger...@gmail.com> wrote:





On Mar 17, 1:21 am, Jo Schaper <jo34schape...@s9oc21ket.03net> wrote:

oriel36 wrote:
On 16 Mar, 16:23, Jo Schaper <jo345sch765a...@s9ocket.net> wrote:
I had about 40 people for the talk yesterday morning. Mostly older
folk-- younger ones no doubt were out partying at 9 a.m. for St. Paddies
day, as this curious custom of the US of moving the festival to the
nearest Saturday rather than the 17th has taken hold.

The calendrical meshing of the shamrock and the palm only happens on
the rarest of occasions where Palm Sunday overtakes St Patricks day or
where both days exist simultaneously,the last was 1940 and the next
one is hundreds of years from now.

Holy week takes precedence over local holidays hence the shifting of
the holiday to the 15th as can be seen in this article -

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2007/0718/breaking85.html?v....

While it looks like trivia,anybody who absorbs the intersecting
threads involved in timekeeping astronomy will start to appreciate
terrestrial and celestial phenomena more along with the satisfying
history of humanity's involvement in these areas.

Quite frankly, the local archbishop, in his eternal silliness, has
*forbidden* the local Hibernian Society (who do the real St. Pats
Parade, still happening on Monday, and for whom being Irish and Catholic
are requirements) to have a Mass to kick off the parade, as they have
always done under a long succession of previous bishops. )A year or so
back, he refused to lift the interdict on meat on Lenten Fridays (and
St. Pat's is almost always in Lent) for the consumption of corned beef..

In Ireland,all bets are off for St Patrick's day so if you give up
candy,drink,ect  for Lent you get the day off,whoever made up this
rule I do not know but there you have it and no Church leader has been
silly enough to question  St Patrick's exemption .I know only on Ash
Wednesday and Good Friday that meat is off the menu and most people
enjoy the chance to eat fish instead,the fish dealers used to show up
in the fishing ports of the East coast of America with rolls of cash
to buy directly from the fishermen come the latter part of Holy Week.

The Hibernians therefore aren't going to an extra Mass because the
parish priest is under orders from the bishop not to say one. Now, that
makes REAL sense if you are trying to preserve and spread the faith!

If anyone were actually Catholic, they would realize that NOTHING
liturgical happens on Monday or Tuesday of Holy Week. Usually, NOTHING
happens on Wednesday either (well, sometimes Wed. evening under the
sundown to sundown wing of revisionist Christians). But for most people
and churches, it's just Thursday through Sunday...

Well,the coincidence of shamrock and palm is such a rare event and it
is a gateway to seeing how great an influence astronomical timekeeping
played in organising the Easter celebrations.For those of us who
practice denominational Christian traditions (matters of intutive
faith are private and seperate  affairs) Easter is almost a  Spring
festival,the death of one life and the return of a new one played out
against the divisions of the seasons.To be fair,denominational
Christianity and the dictates of a careless clerical leader takes away
from the festival and although many think of Easter ending on the
Cross,real Christians know it ends in the garden .

I always loved Evelyn Underhill's expression of this -

"For them the winter is over: the time of the singing of birds is
come. From the deeps of the dewy garden, Life--new, unquenchable, and
ever lovely--comes to meet them with the dawn."

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/underhill/mysticism.iv.xi.html

I would understand totally if St. Pats fell on any of the liturgically
significant days--  but it doesn't. The move to the previous Saturday is
strictly commercial,(more bars are open, more green stuff to be sold)and
nothing religious about it.

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Thank you all for comments. I love to hear about people 's way of
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