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| shikakaa@gmail.com |
 Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 1:47 am |
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I had an idea.
The Automated Transfer Vehicle:
4480mm wide
9794mm long
19357kg at launch
The Columbus laboratory:
4477mm wide
6871mm long
12775kb at launch
Would it be possible to add the ATV manouvering parts to a regular ISS
module and launch it using an Ariane 5 rocket? I mean the dimension
pretty much match, the Ariane 5 rocket can certainly handle an ISS
module weight-wise and with the ATV equipment a module could find its
way to the ISS and attach itself to the structure, basically at an
joint.
Wouldn't it be cheaper to build the ISS this way?
Would it be possible to continue building the ISS this way, after the
shuttles retired? I know there were a great many modules scrapped from
the project because of the shuttle program, like the Centrifuge
Accommodations Module, the Russian Research Module or the Alpha
Magnetic Spectrometer. They could all be launched this way in my
opinion... |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 3:08 am |
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On Mar 9, 7:47 am, "shika...@gmail.com" <shika...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: Would it be possible to continue building the ISS this way, after the
shuttles retired? I know there were a great many modules scrapped from
the project because of the shuttle program, like the Centrifuge
Accommodations Module, the Russian Research Module or the Alpha
Magnetic Spectrometer. They could all be launched this way in my
opinion...
That is an old idea but
There aren't any modules waiting anymore
The CAM doesn't exist. It is in a parking lot.
Russian Research Module doesn't exist yet and it will have use a
Russian rocket. It was never planned for the shuttle
AMS is looking at US rocket |
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| shikakaa@gmail.com |
| Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:01 am |
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| thank you for the answers |
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| Albert Blauensteiner |
| Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 10:46 am |
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About dimensions: Can an ATV theoretically return in a shuttle for
refurbishing and reuse ?
Albert
<shikakaa@gmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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Quote: I had an idea.
The Automated Transfer Vehicle:
4480mm wide
9794mm long
19357kg at launch
The Columbus laboratory:
4477mm wide
6871mm long
12775kb at launch
Would it be possible to add the ATV manouvering parts to a regular ISS
module and launch it using an Ariane 5 rocket? I mean the dimension
pretty much match, the Ariane 5 rocket can certainly handle an ISS
module weight-wise and with the ATV equipment a module could find its
way to the ISS and attach itself to the structure, basically at an
joint.
Wouldn't it be cheaper to build the ISS this way?
Would it be possible to continue building the ISS this way, after the
shuttles retired? I know there were a great many modules scrapped from
the project because of the shuttle program, like the Centrifuge
Accommodations Module, the Russian Research Module or the Alpha
Magnetic Spectrometer. They could all be launched this way in my
opinion... |
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| Anthony Frost |
| Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 11:07 am |
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In message <47d40664$0$12642$3b214f66@tunews.univie.ac.at>
"Albert Blauensteiner" <albert.blauensteiner@tuwien.ac.at> wrote:
Quote: About dimensions: Can an ATV theoretically return in a shuttle for
refurbishing and reuse ?
If the pressure vessel is the largest diameter then it may be possible
as that comes from the same line as the MPLMs, Columbus and Italian
built nodes. Additional sheilding, lumps and bumps may make it too wide
though. Then you'd need to add attachment points, grapple fixtures, and
work out how to make sure the tanks are drained...
Anthony |
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| Jorge R. Frank |
| Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 12:23 pm |
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shikakaa@gmail.com wrote:
Quote: I had an idea.
The Automated Transfer Vehicle:
4480mm wide
9794mm long
19357kg at launch
The Columbus laboratory:
4477mm wide
6871mm long
12775kb at launch
Would it be possible to add the ATV manouvering parts to a regular ISS
module and launch it using an Ariane 5 rocket? I mean the dimension
pretty much match, the Ariane 5 rocket can certainly handle an ISS
module weight-wise and with the ATV equipment a module could find its
way to the ISS and attach itself to the structure, basically at an
joint.
No, only the Columbus module. All other ISS modules in the US segment
were designed to be launched in the shuttle payload bay. They were
designed to take ascent loads through the longeron trunnion pins rather
than through the base, as would be the case on an Ariane V. In some
cases their thermal limits are particular to the environment in the
payload bay. Columbus is the only ISS module originally designed to be
launched either by a space shuttle or an Ariane V, and I'm not even sure
ESA retained the capability to switch back to Ariane V after the space
shuttle launch method was baselined.
Quote: Would it be possible to continue building the ISS this way, after the
shuttles retired? I know there were a great many modules scrapped from
the project because of the shuttle program, like the Centrifuge
Accommodations Module, the Russian Research Module or the Alpha
Magnetic Spectrometer. They could all be launched this way in my
opinion...
Existing modules would need to be modified structurally and thermally
(possibly excepting the Russian Research Modules, which at one point
were supposed to launch on Russian ELVs). The CAM shell is no longer
flight-worthy and the CAM rotor was never built. The AMS team is
evaluating an ELV launch; it would probably be a waste to launch a
module so small on a large ELV like Ariane V.
New modules could be designed for ELV launch from the start, but there
is no money for this and probably will never be. |
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| Derek Lyons |
| Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 2:32 pm |
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"Jorge R. Frank" <jrfrank@ibm-pc.borg> wrote:
Quote: Would it be possible to continue building the ISS this way, after the
shuttles retired? I know there were a great many modules scrapped from
the project because of the shuttle program, like the Centrifuge
Accommodations Module, the Russian Research Module or the Alpha
Magnetic Spectrometer. They could all be launched this way in my
opinion...
Existing modules would need to be modified structurally and thermally
(possibly excepting the Russian Research Modules, which at one point
were supposed to launch on Russian ELVs). The CAM shell is no longer
flight-worthy and the CAM rotor was never built.
Which is a dammed shame - because to my mind CAM was the single most
important experiment on the ISS.
D.
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| Derek Lyons |
| Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 2:32 pm |
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"shikakaa@gmail.com" <shikakaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: Would it be possible to add the ATV manouvering parts to a regular ISS
module and launch it using an Ariane 5 rocket?
Not without seriously complex and expensive modifications to both the
ATV modules and the ISS modules.
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Wouldn't it be cheaper to build the ISS this way?
No.
Quote: Would it be possible to continue building the ISS this way, after the
shuttles retired?
Yes - but within pretty tight limits because the electrical power
available isn't infinite, and there are limits on what you can place
where because of the different types of docking hardware, controlling
the station drag and CG, etc... etc...
D.
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