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| jsp |
 Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 12:01 pm |
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During the past two years, the salaries of
most scientists have decreased significantly.
See
http://www.jupiterscientific.org/sciinfo/sciencesalaries.html
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| John 'the Man |
| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 12:31 pm |
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Once upon a time, our fellow jsp
rambled on about "Salaries of Scientists Drop."
Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.psychology.misc retorts, thusly
Oh, ... happy days!
Ha, ... Hah, Ha! |
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| Thomas Jefferson |
| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2003 4:41 pm |
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I am a scentist by occupation and I make $7,000. I have an MS in
physics with no possible employment there. I wash small appliances at a
thrift store. I could do other science like behavioral things, but there
is no way I will spend my remaining precious life time sitting in
classes and getting a science degree in that area.
Paying someone in astronomy $95,000 to investigate the stars! There
are high energy phsicists raking in the dough for stuff of no more
value. The lowest pay I found on the charts was a biologist I at
$30,000, less than a high school teacher. A biologist, who could be
saving people's lives and enhancing their joy of living. People who
study high energy physics and astronomy don't do nothing for anyone.
So, I do research on how to experience the most pleasurable feelings.
Small cash pay but handsome payoffs for me! |
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| Critter |
| Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2003 12:07 am |
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You should not post things of interest to scientists in groups which are of
interest to psychologists. These things do not go together.
"Thomas Jefferson" <californiareb@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:24771-3FC16FE4-10@storefull-2317.public.lawson.webtv.net...
Quote: I am a scentist by occupation and I make $7,000. I have an MS in
physics with no possible employment there. I wash small appliances at a
thrift store. I could do other science like behavioral things, but there
is no way I will spend my remaining precious life time sitting in
classes and getting a science degree in that area.
Paying someone in astronomy $95,000 to investigate the stars! There
are high energy phsicists raking in the dough for stuff of no more
value. The lowest pay I found on the charts was a biologist I at
$30,000, less than a high school teacher. A biologist, who could be
saving people's lives and enhancing their joy of living. People who
study high energy physics and astronomy don't do nothing for anyone.
So, I do research on how to experience the most pleasurable feelings.
Small cash pay but handsome payoffs for me!
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| Thomas Jefferson |
| Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2003 11:09 am |
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Sciencists and psychologists don't belong together.
Wouldn't it be nice to have first class psychological scientists
and have them practice what they learn as scientists.
I think physicsts could make excellent scientists. From what in
psycholgy which is scientifically based, it would not take one long to
be on the frontier of new knowedge.
I would point out that, based on pay, our society has the wrong
priorities. I doubt if a true psychological scientist would be paid much
if at all.
I would first change the name of the field to BETA (behavior,
emotion, thinking and awareness, being the phenomena being
investigated). As a scientist, I cringe whenever I look at the word
psychology, study of "psych". Any talk about "psych" imediately leads
to philosophical mumbojumbo. |
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| Critter |
| Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2003 11:01 pm |
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Quote: Sciencists and psychologists don't belong together.
Wouldn't it be nice to have first class psychological scientists
and have them practice what they learn as scientists.
I think physicsts could make excellent scientists. From what in
psycholgy which is scientifically based, it would not take one long to
be on the frontier of new knowedge.
I would point out that, based on pay, our society has the wrong
priorities. I doubt if a true psychological scientist would be paid much
if at all.
I would first change the name of the field to BETA (behavior,
emotion, thinking and awareness, being the phenomena being
investigated). As a scientist, I cringe whenever I look at the word
psychology, study of "psych". Any talk about "psych" imediately leads
to philosophical mumbojumbo.
The universe evolves in form, but not in first principles. At least,
thats about the extent of how far physics can be pushed without the whole
thing becoming unwieldy.
To rephrase, yes, everything in the universe is constantly evolving,
except the fundamental laws which are expected to remain fixed. This is why
the universe and energy can be studied.
In psychology, you cannot form fundamental laws regarding properties of
a person or persons, because people change and they also evolve.
Psychological studies of today are automatically invalidated after a given
period of time due to social and biological evolution.
You'd have one hell of a situation if the 2nd law of thermodynamics were
true today, but expected to gradually become false over a period of millions
or billions of years. This would not be good at all. Unfortunately, this is
exactly what we expect to observe in Man. How does psychology intend to
account for this ?
You'd have a hell of a time in Chemistry if you had a sample of carbon
in a bottle, and all of a sudden it changed to sulfur, apparently all on
it's own, and without any identifiable or provable causality. I'd say that
if this were happeneing then there would be no Chemistry. |
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| Thomas Jefferson |
| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2003 4:38 am |
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"...People change..."
This is true. However, for a particular person in a particular time and
place, there may be some constant phenomena. These can be observed and
recorded. There may be a predictable range of behavior, emotion,
thought and/or range of awareness.
Of course, if nothing was constant there would be no point of
investigating it.
I, myself, have no further interes in fundamental laws whether in
physics or in BETA. What works in me, in my time in my place is my
interest, mostly. It would be interesting, however, to see how my
experiments compare with other people in different times and places. It
would be like the birth of a new science. |
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