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Draft Economic Recovery
Program To Stop
The Bush Depression
By Webster Tarpley
1-22-8
1. Stop all foreclosures immediately for at least five years and for
the duration of the depression by means of a compulsory federal law
carrying criminal penalties. No foreclosures on homes, family farms,
factories, public utilities, hospitals, transportation and other
infrastructure. Outlaw adjustable rate mortgages.
2. Raise the federal minimum wage immediately to a living wage of at
least $15 per hour, with the short-term goal of attaining a federal
minimum wage of at least $20 per hour.
3. Immediate enactment of a securities transfer tax (STT) or Tobin tax
of 1% to be imposed on all financial turnover in all financial markets
to include the New York Stock Exchange, the NASDAQ, the Amex, the
Chicago Board of Trade, the Chicago Board Options Exchange, the
Chicago Mercantile Exchange, the market in federal securities, the
foreign exchange market, the New York Mercantile Exchange, and all
other financial markets. This tax will be paid by the seller. This tax
will be extended to the notional value of all derivatives, including
over-the-counter derivatives, exchange traded derivatives, structured
notes, designer derivatives and all other financial paper. Derivatives
will become reportable under penalty of law. It is conservatively
estimated that the securities transfer tax will yield approximately $5
trillion of new revenue in its first year of application. This new
revenue will permit a stabilization and consolidation of Social
Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, and will permit the expansion of
Head Start, the Food Stamps program, WIC, the Veterans Administration
hospitals, while extending unemployment insurance up to an initial
total of at least 52 weeks, to be prolonged as needed. Provide revenue
sharing to deal with the looming deficits of states, counties, and
municipalities.
4. Using the new revenue obtained from the securities transfer tax on
Wall Street financiers, provide comprehensive tax relief for all small
businesses, thus permitting them to pay the new living wage. Small
business will also be aided by the provision of national single-payer
health care, as described below.
5. Implement Medicare for all in the form of a single payer, universal
coverage, publicly administered system to provide healthcare for all.
No rationing of care will be permitted under any circumstances. Cost-
cutting will be achieved through eliminating exorbitant corporate
profits, through administrative reform, and above all through a
federally-funded crash program, on the scale of the Manhattan Project,
of biomedical research designed to discover new and more effective
treatments and cures for the principal diseases currently afflicting
humanity.
6. Simultaneously, enact comprehensive income tax relief for working
families, raising the standard deduction for married filing jointly
and the personal exemption to at least $25,000 each. This would mean
that a family of four would pay no federal income tax on their first
$125,000 of income. Expand the earned income tax credit (EITC) to
approximately 4 times its current level, with at least $150 billion
paid out. Increase EITC payments to persons living alone as well as to
families with children. Make all college tuition and fees expenses
deductible, and remove the limits on the Hope and Lifetime Learning
tax credits. Return to the FDR-Ike-JFK 90% top marginal rate for
unearned income capital gains, interest, dividends, royalties, etc.,
not wages or self-employment -- of taxpayers with federal adjusted
gross income over $25 million. Roll back the scandalous Bush tax cuts
for the rich. Favor progressive taxation over proportional and
regressive taxation at every level. Phase out the most regressive
taxes, like the poll tax and the sales tax.
7. Nationalize the Federal Reserve System and establish it as a bureau
of the United States Treasury. The current privatized status of the
Federal Reserve System constitutes a violation of the United States
Constitution. The size of the money supply and interest rates will
henceforward be decided not by cliques of private bankers meeting in
secret, but rather by public laws passed by the House and Senate, and
signed by the president. Use this authority to immediately issue an
initial tranche of $1 trillion of new federal credits at 1% yearly
interest rates and maturities up to 30 years, to be repeated as
needed. Consider credit as a public utility. Make this initial credit
issue available on a priority basis to states, counties and local
governments for the purpose of infrastructure modernization.
Distribute credit to the private sector for high-technology re-
industrialization in plant, equipment and jobs, manufacturing, mining,
farming, construction, and other production of tangible physical
wealth and commodities only. Aim at the creation of 5 to 7 million new
productive jobs at union pay scales per year to achieve full
employment for the first time in decades.
8. Federally-sponsored infrastructure projects will include a new
nationwide network of magnetic levitation railways, as well as light
rail systems to facilitate commuting in all urban centers. These
economical and attractive light rail systems will allow a large
portion of the vehicle miles by private automobile using internal
combustion engines to be phased out of use in daily commuting. Launch
a public works program of highway and bridge reconstruction, water
management systems, electrical grids, hospitals, schools, cultural
facilities, and public libraries.
9. Comprehensive re-regulation of the entire financial and banking
system. Regulate the current non-bank banks. Bring all the hedge funds
under the oversight of the Securities and Exchange Commission, thus
effectively ending their special outlaw status as hedge funds. Begin
aggressive enforcement of all applicable antitrust and securities
fraud laws, as well as all existing labor legislation, including child
labor, wages and hours, etc. Repeal the Taft-Hartley law with its anti-
union "right to work" provisions, re-affirm the inalienable right to
collective bargaining, and revive the National Labor Relations Board
as an effective ally of working people. Full Davis-Bacon Act
enforcement for all federal contracts, without exception. Tax
leveraged buyouts and private capital deals, including all profits
deriving from them, in whatever form. End corporate welfare, and
establish consumer protection. Revive Glass-Steagall to prevent
nationwide banking oligopolies combining commercial banking with
investment banking.
10. Free college for all qualified students. Any student earning a
high school diploma will be entitled to free tuition and fees at a
community college or state university. High quality remedial courses
to give high-school dropouts a second chance, no matter what their
age. Without investment in the human capital of a highly trained work
force, there can be no economic survival in the 21st century. Federal
aid to raise teacher salaries through revenue sharing.
11. Announce the intention of the United States to abrogate NAFTA,
WTO, and all other international free trade agreements which have
destroyed employment in this country, while increasing the poverty
levels of the third world. Introduce a low protective tariff, starting
at 10% ad valorem on manufactured commodities to prevent reckless
dumping.
12. Investment tax credit for purchase modern technology in the form
of new physical tangible capital goods. Tax breaks for the creation of
new jobs in physical commodity production. Severe tax penalties for
the export of jobs to third world sweatshops.
13. Immediately impeach and remove from office both Bush and Cheney,
since otherwise all effective measures to deal with the Bush economic
depression will be crippled by presidential vetoes. Prepare the
impeachment of the RATS (Roberts-Alito-Thomas-Scalia) cabal of the
Supreme Court, if they should attempt to sabotage this emergency
economic recovery program under the color of judicial review.
14. Protect the family farm by a program of debt moratorium for
farmers, no foreclosures, 1% long-term federal credit for spring
planting needs and capital improvements, Restore parity prices at 125%
of parity. Rebuild farm surpluses and food stockpiles. Food for Peace
for famine relief abroad.
15. Keep open the options of capital controls and exchange controls if
required by further deterioration of the crisis. Prepare to freeze
most categories of financial debt (debt moratorium) for the duration
of the crisis. Revive Defense Production Act powers to mandate
production of needed commodities by private sector, as needed.
16. Call an international economic conference of sovereign states to
deal with this unprecedented world economic depression. The United
States should take the lead in proposing a new world monetary system
based on the alienable right of all nations and peoples to modern
economic development and to the enjoyment of the fullest fruits of
science, technology, industry, progress, and rising standards of
living. The new monetary system should be based on fixed parities with
narrow bands of fluctuation among the euro, the dollar, the yen, the
ruble, and other world currencies, including emerging Latin American
and Middle East regional currencies, with periodic settlement of
balance of payments discrepancies in gold among national authorities.
The goal of the new system is to promote world economic recovery
through large-scale export of the most modern high-technology capital
goods from the US, EU, and Japan to the developing countries. Create a
Multilateral Development Bank with an initial capital of 1 trillion
euros from US, UK, Japan, and other exporters to finance investment in
the poorest countries with 1%, revolving loans with maturities up to
thirty years. Immediate, permanent, and unconditional cancellation of
all international financial debts of the poorest countries.
17. Revive international humanitarian, scientific and technological
cooperation for the benefit of all nations. Roll back epidemic,
tropical, and endemic diseases with an international program of
biomedical research. Join with all interested nations in a joint
international effort to develop new energy resources in the field of
high-energy physics. Fund and expand an international cooperative
commitment to the exploration, permanent colonization, and economic
development of the moon and nearby planets. The spin-offs from these
three science drivers will provide the new technologies for the next
wave of economic modernization.
18. Revive the Franklin D. Roosevelt "freedom from want" provision of
the Atlantic Charter as elaborated in the Economic Bill of Rights
from the State of the Union Address of January 1944 and incorporate
these economic rights of all persons as amendments to the US
Constitution: "The right to a useful and remunerative job in the
industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation; the right to earn
enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation; the right
of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will
give him and his family a decent living; the right of every
businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom
from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or
abroad; the right of every family to a decent home; the right to
adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good
health; the right to adequate protection from the economic fears of
old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment; the right to a good
education."
Webster G. Tarpley
21 January 2008
Washington DC, USA |
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| Gunner Asch |
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On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:25:35 -0800 (PST), The Seventh Sign
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Quote: On Jan 22, 11:50 pm, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
Draft Economic Recovery
Program To Stop
The Bush Depression
By Webster Tarpley
1-22-8
1. Stop all foreclosures immediately for at least five years and for
the duration of the depression by means of a compulsory federal law
carrying criminal penalties. No foreclosures on homes, family farms,
factories, public utilities, hospitals, transportation and other
infrastructure. Outlaw adjustable rate mortgages.
2. Raise the federal minimum wage immediately to a living wage of at
least $15 per hour, with the short-term goal of attaining a federal
minimum wage of at least $20 per hour.
Just this part alone will make someone trash the rest of what you have
to say.
In a depression no one will have the money to buy anything let alone
pay employee wages even if they pass the rest of your BS ideas. Please
think it through more.
You need to make prices lower so folks overseas buy our goods to
continue the cash recycling on a global scale.
your Living wage is going to make bread about 10 USD a loaf. Gas about
7 a gallon if not more. and air for your tire at least 1.50 USD.
Your plan would definitely make the dollar about as worthless as
toilet paper.
Your plan is another new deal plan based on FDR's Depression era 90 %
of his plans failed. THis is to the point
we need a total rethink of everything.
The real problem isn't our jobs are overseas it is Inventory is
overpriced and we are overpaying a CEO to sit on their fat arse.
Gluttony in the housing markets for rentals has pushed the slum lords
to the brink of bankruptcy (they deserve it!), in the automakers show
room floors cars are sitting there new not moving due to overpriced
crap and overpaid CEOs that people do not need. A Gluttony of clothes
that sit on a retail shelf that people can not fit into really ticks
me off too. those clothes are moved around so much to keep them from
getting dusty.
The disposable society needs to come to a grinding halt and learn to
recycle, reduce, reuse, and become more thrifty.
I wonder what would happen if the rich were to spend 2000 dollars on
buying those clothes and donating them to charity and claim it on
their taxes. or even 1000 on clothes the rest on food for the needy?
would that not make a difference?
Jobs need to be replaced and new jobs need to be brought into being.
Bush killed the most promising industy for jobs there was by denying
federal funding for stem cell research due to his religious bs. Cures
for various aliments need be found and he keeps letting his corperate
oil chumps burn down the forrest to look for oil for his car pools
instead of investing in research to reinvent transportation industry
overall.
Jobs always change directions and skill levels weather you can keep up
is up to you.
Your college plan tanks big time who would take a job as a teacher
then? No one! I agree everyone should have a free ride through the
system but if that happened overcrowded classrooms would be everywhere
and teachers hate that so do students. not to mention all the books
supplies you would need to stock etc. Outlawing private schools so the
rich kids suffer right along with the poor i think would be a better
idea. school uniforms do not promote entrepreneurs, putting kids on
phycho drugs does not promote creativity.
these things are needed for innovations that bring future jobs.
People here is the one thing you can do this election year to stop the
BS stop voting for democrats and republicains!
TSS
We can also shut down the flow over the borders and end all
entitlements to illegal aliens and their get.
Gunner
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.
Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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On Jan 22, 8:50 pm, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
Quote: Draft Economic Recovery
Program To Stop
The Bush Depression
By Webster Tarpley
1-22-8
1. Stop all foreclosures immediately for at least five years and for
the duration of the depression by means of a compulsory federal law
carrying criminal penalties. No foreclosures on homes, family farms,
factories, public utilities, hospitals, transportation and other
infrastructure. Outlaw adjustable rate mortgages.
2. Raise the federal minimum wage immediately to a living wage of at
least $15 per hour, with the short-term goal of attaining a federal
minimum wage of at least $20 per hour.
3. Immediate enactment of a securities transfer tax (STT) or Tobin tax
of 1% to be imposed on all financial turnover in all financial markets
to include the New York Stock Exchange, the NASDAQ, the Amex, the
Chicago Board of Trade, the Chicago Board Options Exchange, the
Chicago Mercantile Exchange, the market in federal securities, the
foreign exchange market, the New York Mercantile Exchange, and all
other financial markets. This tax will be paid by the seller. This tax
will be extended to the notional value of all derivatives, including
over-the-counter derivatives, exchange traded derivatives, structured
notes, designer derivatives and all other financial paper. Derivatives
will become reportable under penalty of law. It is conservatively
estimated that the securities transfer tax will yield approximately $5
trillion of new revenue in its first year of application. This new
revenue will permit a stabilization and consolidation of Social
Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, and will permit the expansion of
Head Start, the Food Stamps program, WIC, the Veterans Administration
hospitals, while extending unemployment insurance up to an initial
total of at least 52 weeks, to be prolonged as needed. Provide revenue
sharing to deal with the looming deficits of states, counties, and
municipalities.
4. Using the new revenue obtained from the securities transfer tax on
Wall Street financiers, provide comprehensive tax relief for all small
businesses, thus permitting them to pay the new living wage. Small
business will also be aided by the provision of national single-payer
health care, as described below.
5. Implement Medicare for all in the form of a single payer, universal
coverage, publicly administered system to provide healthcare for all.
No rationing of care will be permitted under any circumstances. Cost-
cutting will be achieved through eliminating exorbitant corporate
profits, through administrative reform, and above all through a
federally-funded crash program, on the scale of the Manhattan Project,
of biomedical research designed to discover new and more effective
treatments and cures for the principal diseases currently afflicting
humanity.
6. Simultaneously, enact comprehensive income tax relief for working
families, raising the standard deduction for married filing jointly
and the personal exemption to at least $25,000 each. This would mean
that a family of four would pay no federal income tax on their first
$125,000 of income. Expand the earned income tax credit (EITC) to
approximately 4 times its current level, with at least $150 billion
paid out. Increase EITC payments to persons living alone as well as to
families with children. Make all college tuition and fees expenses
deductible, and remove the limits on the Hope and Lifetime Learning
tax credits. Return to the FDR-Ike-JFK 90% top marginal rate for
unearned income capital gains, interest, dividends, royalties, etc.,
not wages or self-employment -- of taxpayers with federal adjusted
gross income over $25 million. Roll back the scandalous Bush tax cuts
for the rich. Favor progressive taxation over proportional and
regressive taxation at every level. Phase out the most regressive
taxes, like the poll tax and the sales tax.
7. Nationalize the Federal Reserve System and establish it as a bureau
of the United States Treasury. The current privatized status of the
Federal Reserve System constitutes a violation of the United States
Constitution. The size of the money supply and interest rates will
henceforward be decided not by cliques of private bankers meeting in
secret, but rather by public laws passed by the House and Senate, and
signed by the president. Use this authority to immediately issue an
initial tranche of $1 trillion of new federal credits at 1% yearly
interest rates and maturities up to 30 years, to be repeated as
needed. Consider credit as a public utility. Make this initial credit
issue available on a priority basis to states, counties and local
governments for the purpose of infrastructure modernization.
Distribute credit to the private sector for high-technology re-
industrialization in plant, equipment and jobs, manufacturing, mining,
farming, construction, and other production of tangible physical
wealth and commodities only. Aim at the creation of 5 to 7 million new
productive jobs at union pay scales per year to achieve full
employment for the first time in decades.
8. Federally-sponsored infrastructure projects will include a new
nationwide network of magnetic levitation railways, as well as light
rail systems to facilitate commuting in all urban centers. These
economical and attractive light rail systems will allow a large
portion of the vehicle miles by private automobile using internal
combustion engines to be phased out of use in daily commuting. Launch
a public works program of highway and bridge reconstruction, water
management systems, electrical grids, hospitals, schools, cultural
facilities, and public libraries.
9. Comprehensive re-regulation of the entire financial and banking
system. Regulate the current non-bank banks. Bring all the hedge funds
under the oversight of the Securities and Exchange Commission, thus
effectively ending their special outlaw status as hedge funds. Begin
aggressive enforcement of all applicable antitrust and securities
fraud laws, as well as all existing labor legislation, including child
labor, wages and hours, etc. Repeal the Taft-Hartley law with its anti-
union "right to work" provisions, re-affirm the inalienable right to
collective bargaining, and revive the National Labor Relations Board
as an effective ally of working people. Full Davis-Bacon Act
enforcement for all federal contracts, without exception. Tax
leveraged buyouts and private capital deals, including all profits
deriving from them, in whatever form. End corporate welfare, and
establish consumer protection. Revive Glass-Steagall to prevent
nationwide banking oligopolies combining commercial banking with
investment banking.
10. Free college for all qualified students. Any student earning a
high school diploma will be entitled to free tuition and fees at a
community college or state university. High quality remedial courses
to give high-school dropouts a second chance, no matter what their
age. Without investment in the human capital of a highly trained work
force, there can be no economic survival in the 21st century. Federal
aid to raise teacher salaries through revenue sharing.
11. Announce the intention of the United States to abrogate NAFTA,
WTO, and all other international free trade agreements which have
destroyed employment in this country, while increasing the poverty
levels of the third world. Introduce a low protective tariff, starting
at 10% ad valorem on manufactured commodities to prevent reckless
dumping.
12. Investment tax credit for purchase modern technology in the form
of new physical tangible capital goods. Tax breaks for the creation of
new jobs in physical commodity production. Severe tax penalties for
the export of jobs to third world sweatshops.
13. Immediately impeach and remove from office both Bush and Cheney,
since otherwise all effective measures to deal with the Bush economic
depression will be crippled by presidential vetoes. Prepare the
impeachment of the RATS (Roberts-Alito-Thomas-Scalia) cabal of the
Supreme Court, if they should attempt to sabotage this emergency
economic recovery program under the color of judicial review.
14. Protect the family farm by a program of debt moratorium for
farmers, no foreclosures, 1% long-term federal credit for spring
planting needs and capital improvements, Restore parity prices at 125%
of parity. Rebuild farm surpluses and food stockpiles. Food for Peace
for famine relief abroad.
15. Keep open the options of capital controls and exchange controls if
required by further deterioration of the crisis. Prepare to freeze
most categories of financial debt (debt moratorium) for the duration
of the crisis. Revive Defense Production Act powers to mandate
production of needed commodities by private sector, as needed.
16. Call an international economic conference of sovereign states to
deal with this unprecedented world economic depression. The United
States should take the lead in proposing a new world monetary system
based on the alienable right of all nations and peoples to modern
economic development and to the enjoyment of the fullest fruits of
science, technology, industry, progress, and rising standards of
living. The new monetary system should be based on fixed parities with
narrow bands of fluctuation among the euro, the dollar, the yen, the
ruble, and other world currencies, including emerging Latin American
and Middle East regional currencies, with periodic settlement of
balance of payments discrepancies in gold among national authorities.
The goal of the new system is to promote world economic recovery
through large-scale export of the most modern high-technology capital
goods from the US, EU, and Japan to the developing countries. Create a
Multilateral Development Bank with an initial capital of 1 trillion
euros from US, UK, Japan, and other exporters to finance investment in
the poorest countries with 1%, revolving loans with maturities up to
thirty years. Immediate, permanent, and unconditional cancellation of
all international financial debts of the poorest countries.
17. Revive international humanitarian, scientific and technological
cooperation for the benefit of all nations. Roll back epidemic,
tropical, and endemic diseases with an international program of
biomedical research. Join with all interested nations in a joint
international effort to develop new energy resources in the field of
high-energy physics. Fund and expand an international cooperative
commitment to the exploration, permanent colonization, and economic
development of the moon and nearby planets. The spin-offs from these
three science drivers will provide the new technologies for the next
wave of economic modernization.
18. Revive the Franklin D. Roosevelt "freedom from want" provision of
the Atlantic Charter as elaborated in the Economic Bill of Rights
from the State of the Union Address of January 1944 and incorporate
these economic rights of all persons as amendments to the US
Constitution: "The right to a useful and remunerative job in the
industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation; the right to earn
enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation; the right
of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will
give him and his family a decent living; the right of every
businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom
from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or
abroad; the right of every family to a decent home; the right to
adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good
health; the right to adequate protection from the economic fears of
old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment; the right to a good
education."
Webster G. Tarpley
21 January 2008
Washington DC, USA
...and...govt needs to cease taxing the rest of us to death to pay for
it....and it needs to cease rewarding corporation with tax breaks to
send mfg offshore... and it needs to indict and convict most in the
Bush administration for treason so he next batch of elected officials
will know that crime doesnt pay.
will that happen? No.... the 50 trillion dollar national debt
projected through 2028 will not allow it... in fact the interest on
that debt alone, 4 trillion a year now, and skyrocketing as we fail to
pay that also, precludes any tax cut for the middle class...
accordingly taxes will go up either directly or via hyper inflation,
collapsing the national economy to its roots.... it will have to
rebboot from scratch....the reboot will take one or two
generations...as it has in Russia, and will in Japan.
Meantime you can count on one thing, civil 'servants' will be
retiring sooner than you...and at 5 to 10x more money...tax payer
money.
Phil Scott
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| The Seventh Sign |
| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 11:25 pm |
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On Jan 22, 11:50 pm, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
Quote: Draft Economic Recovery
Program To Stop
The Bush Depression
By Webster Tarpley
1-22-8
1. Stop all foreclosures immediately for at least five years and for
the duration of the depression by means of a compulsory federal law
carrying criminal penalties. No foreclosures on homes, family farms,
factories, public utilities, hospitals, transportation and other
infrastructure. Outlaw adjustable rate mortgages.
2. Raise the federal minimum wage immediately to a living wage of at
least $15 per hour, with the short-term goal of attaining a federal
minimum wage of at least $20 per hour.
Just this part alone will make someone trash the rest of what you have
to say.
In a depression no one will have the money to buy anything let alone
pay employee wages even if they pass the rest of your BS ideas. Please
think it through more.
You need to make prices lower so folks overseas buy our goods to
continue the cash recycling on a global scale.
your Living wage is going to make bread about 10 USD a loaf. Gas about
7 a gallon if not more. and air for your tire at least 1.50 USD.
Your plan would definitely make the dollar about as worthless as
toilet paper.
Your plan is another new deal plan based on FDR's Depression era 90 %
of his plans failed. THis is to the point
we need a total rethink of everything.
The real problem isn't our jobs are overseas it is Inventory is
overpriced and we are overpaying a CEO to sit on their fat arse.
Gluttony in the housing markets for rentals has pushed the slum lords
to the brink of bankruptcy (they deserve it!), in the automakers show
room floors cars are sitting there new not moving due to overpriced
crap and overpaid CEOs that people do not need. A Gluttony of clothes
that sit on a retail shelf that people can not fit into really ticks
me off too. those clothes are moved around so much to keep them from
getting dusty.
The disposable society needs to come to a grinding halt and learn to
recycle, reduce, reuse, and become more thrifty.
I wonder what would happen if the rich were to spend 2000 dollars on
buying those clothes and donating them to charity and claim it on
their taxes. or even 1000 on clothes the rest on food for the needy?
would that not make a difference?
Jobs need to be replaced and new jobs need to be brought into being.
Bush killed the most promising industy for jobs there was by denying
federal funding for stem cell research due to his religious bs. Cures
for various aliments need be found and he keeps letting his corperate
oil chumps burn down the forrest to look for oil for his car pools
instead of investing in research to reinvent transportation industry
overall.
Jobs always change directions and skill levels weather you can keep up
is up to you.
Your college plan tanks big time who would take a job as a teacher
then? No one! I agree everyone should have a free ride through the
system but if that happened overcrowded classrooms would be everywhere
and teachers hate that so do students. not to mention all the books
supplies you would need to stock etc. Outlawing private schools so the
rich kids suffer right along with the poor i think would be a better
idea. school uniforms do not promote entrepreneurs, putting kids on
phycho drugs does not promote creativity.
these things are needed for innovations that bring future jobs.
People here is the one thing you can do this election year to stop the
BS stop voting for democrats and republicains!
TSS |
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| Dan Bloomquist |
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phil scott wrote:
Quote: Meantime you can count on one thing, civil 'servants' will be
retiring sooner than you...and at 5 to 10x more money...tax payer
money.
Who cares if they take it to the store in wheel barrels? At that, we
become the world's new China, look at the Airbus talk of a move to our
southern labor.
Now think, this just stinks of wealth disparity, but on a global scale.
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| Einstein |
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1. No foreclosures means no payments. Now no income to banks, and the
loans they made are worthless. Worse the fact that anything invested
to them goes immediately to paying for the non-payments to cover the
banks liabilities means they get no further investments. People run to
the banks to pull cash out to prevent their savings going poof when
the banks declare bankruptcy and then we are in a worse issue than the
Great Depression
2. Raising wages is relative at all times. If you raise your wages by
2 times their current value the prices of all goods and services
increase to 2 times their current levels. WORSE is the TAX EFFECTS
since you know, and I know Congress wont change the tables. So now
people would be loosing much more of their income in proportion to
taxes. This would be a hidden tax on the poorest and everyone else,
but it would affect the poorest the hardest.
3. Do you know that there are many people who makes trades based upon
pennies? And do you know that this would slow trades down
significantly, therefore crushing the so called 'bounty' as well?
Additionally then back room deals will happen more often, stock
trading would occur more outside the United States than ever before,
and the dividends would be spent outside the United States. Nice move
jerk. Now the rich are outside the United States, paying people
outside the United States for their things, and the United States
loses. Additionally the VA Hospital system has been self expanding on
it's WINDFALL due to less total Veterans in the system. For every 1
Veteran coming in there is 10 going OUT. Out meaning dead, deceased,
passed away. The VA hospital system is now the foremost hospital
system in the World. Do not mistake it with the Army Hospitals.
4. Ok Businesses are taxed 40% of their revenue. This is admittedly
high. However most small businesses barely make ends meet for their
needs. So lets see, even after allowing for a sudden doubling of the
income, doubling of costs, and temporary shutdown of the market
(Probably 4-6 months in painful adjustment) you think reducing it to
30%? 20%? 10%? is going to help? Most of them will already be out of
business. My sisters old business would be. Run by her and her
husband, with part time seasonal help in Christmas time they were
barely making needs on their family of 4. A dramatic increase in costs
for the stuff they bought would have put them out regardless of their
increasing costs... People would need to save, wait out the storm of
change, etc before they would purchase services again. a 2 month
period with less than 60% of their business would have put them out of
business. Same is true for many small businesses, thus why they say
"most fail in 7 years"... Funny that the average cycle for recessions
is 8 years, and average time to start a business is 1 year.
5. My Grandma has had 3 triple bypasses, 2 doubles, and tons of other
heart related care. All on Medicare. The service is there, and
available, we all have emergency care upon need. However under this
plan why not have her live with a Nurse attending her at all times
since she is 'high risk'? Or better yet how bout a fully furnished
hospital room, with cleaning maids (Since work stresses the heart), a
full time attendent, an on call nurse, a ready doctor, and all sorts
of equipment?
What about me and my feet? I fell off a rope, and suffer periodic
pains. Should I be able to demand the government regrow my feet
entirely as soon as possible, and force them to research this?
Your idea is so expensive it could require 100% of the population to
be doctors, yet also not get paid anymore since there is no one
working in manners high enough to provide pay around the United
States. Congrats on the idiot proposal.
6. Ok so this basically is a forced redistributation of wealth writ
large. Yay for Communism. Questions for you: How do the new rich get
rich? Why is there more new rich occurring now than ever in US
History? If you give someone on welfare $10,000 and you give a
business major $10,000 who is more likely to invest it wisely
statistically and who is more likely to spend it instead?
7. Union payscales? You mean the groups that push more companies to
the brink of bankruptcy due to demanding all the spare revenue of a
company, and leaving none for R&D, Growth, Expansion, Retooling, etc?
Nice move, now the whole of the United States can be crushed with 1
recession!
8. Light rail, funny you should go there. In Portland Oregon and
surrounding tri-county areas they are proposing, at the moment this is
considered a minimum, a cost that will be $50,000 per rider of a new
light rail project. A Ford 2008 Expedition starts at $31,120
http://www.fordvehicles.com/suvs/expedition/index.asp
That price leave us with 18 thousand dollars. If gas ran $50 a week
then there is 360 weeks of gas. If gas was $100 a week then there is
180 weeks of gas. There is 52 weeks in a year. This means you would no
matter what have 3 years worth of paid for gas on a new SUV if you
invested it this way. So this light rail crap is WAY TO EXPENSIVE!
Hell Ford is offering a Hybrid for less than 30k even! AN SUV even!!!
So there we go with your light rail.
9. This is so ruinous I dont even think I need to go there.
10. Ok now this is a hot button issue for me! X(
i) School teachers do NOT need more pay. In fact evidence has shown
increases to pay have NOT resulted in increases of quality of
teaching.
ii) A school system was given EVERYTHING they wanted in one State, on
a Judges order. The most highest tech of robotics centers, Olympic
Style Swimming pools (and plenty of them), top level art graphics
centers, and so forth. Billions went into this to comply with the
Judges order. Result was: "No increase in academic performance of the
students"
iii) If everyone is guaranteed a degree then the standards for getting
a degree are lowered until it is worth a highschool diploma. Fight for
your right to get that degree, show your smarter, not that you lobby
harder!
11. You want to increase employment and wages? Kick illegals out and
this will have your desired effect in droves. Your other methods wont
work, instead they will damage jobs which rely upon those agreements.
Yes some people lost their jobs due to those, my other Grandma being
one, but in general employment went up with them, and incomes.
12. Ok so you prefer sweat shop type environments, with maximum
eomployement than a high tech centers which reduce their number of
workers, and produce goods with less workers? Nice. Now the lesson
part. If I made a company with 100 workers making 100 units of
whatever and I paid them the 50% of the value of the units in payroll
are they better than have a 1% ownership stake of a company employing
10 employees making 100 units, and providing 2 units worth of pay to
the employees, and the remaining 30% (Keeping 1% as corporate profit
and 49% as cost of materials for the units) going to the holders of
the stake while they do meaningful and profitable work elsewhere, who
is loosing?
Sweat shops are already outlawed and US Businesses are not allowed to
do business with them.
13. This is laughable and extremist in viewpoint.
14. Farmers have protections and subsidies all around. You obviously
ignore these facts. Additionally the United States routinely buys bulk
amounts of food rights and sends food to other nations. The United
States is the largest donator, per capita, and in total of any nation
regarding food supplies. But you don't care about that, you want to
spread propoganda as if we are not, or your just completely ignorant
of the fact.
15. Wow government controls on production. How 1960's Russian of you.
16. We already forgive a lot of debts out of hand, and give ideal
financing for other debts that cant be got anywhere else. Additionally
the move by the fed on this issue has already sparked dividends. The
market is stabilizing as we speak due to the move.
17. Reallow DDT which has been proven safe for Humans and wildlife
(The extremist tests of 100 times the daily intake for a year then
showing it as if this is what the longterm effects would be being
laughable and not evidence at all) and the reduction in Malaria,
Influenza, and other insect delivered illnesses would plummet once
again to the golden era levels they were once at.
18. Why not toss in the right to have forced sex with whoever is
famous, steal from banks, and to practice racism openly and brutally?
People see those as rights as well. Fact is that if you wont try to
work, you dont have a right to expect a job from the company that
hired, or would hire you. Dont expect a free ride! Damned communists.
Well this is my wrap up on you, now ignore it in typical head in the
sand Communist Manifesto follower method. Or do the Liberal Extremist
way and swear, curse, and belittle me. |
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Draft Economic Recovery
Program To Stop
The Bush Depression
By Webster Tarpley
1-22-8
1. Stop all foreclosures immediately for at least five years and for
the duration of the depression by means of a compulsory federal law
carrying criminal penalties. No foreclosures on homes, family farms,
factories, public utilities, hospitals, transportation and other
infrastructure. Outlaw adjustable rate mortgages.
2. Raise the federal minimum wage immediately to a living wage of at
least $15 per hour, with the short-term goal of attaining a federal
minimum wage of at least $20 per hour.
3. Immediate enactment of a securities transfer tax (STT) or Tobin tax
of 1% to be imposed on all financial turnover in all financial markets
to include the New York Stock Exchange, the NASDAQ, the Amex, the
Chicago Board of Trade, the Chicago Board Options Exchange, the
Chicago Mercantile Exchange, the market in federal securities, the
foreign exchange market, the New York Mercantile Exchange, and all
other financial markets. This tax will be paid by the seller. This tax
will be extended to the notional value of all derivatives, including
over-the-counter derivatives, exchange traded derivatives, structured
notes, designer derivatives and all other financial paper. Derivatives
will become reportable under penalty of law. It is conservatively
estimated that the securities transfer tax will yield approximately $5
trillion of new revenue in its first year of application. This new
revenue will permit a stabilization and consolidation of Social
Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, and will permit the expansion of
Head Start, the Food Stamps program, WIC, the Veterans Administration
hospitals, while extending unemployment insurance up to an initial
total of at least 52 weeks, to be prolonged as needed. Provide revenue
sharing to deal with the looming deficits of states, counties, and
municipalities.
4. Using the new revenue obtained from the securities transfer tax on
Wall Street financiers, provide comprehensive tax relief for all small
businesses, thus permitting them to pay the new living wage. Small
business will also be aided by the provision of national single-payer
health care, as described below.
5. Implement Medicare for all in the form of a single payer, universal
coverage, publicly administered system to provide healthcare for all.
No rationing of care will be permitted under any circumstances. Cost-
cutting will be achieved through eliminating exorbitant corporate
profits, through administrative reform, and above all through a
federally-funded crash program, on the scale of the Manhattan Project,
of biomedical research designed to discover new and more effective
treatments and cures for the principal diseases currently afflicting
humanity.
6. Simultaneously, enact comprehensive income tax relief for working
families, raising the standard deduction for married filing jointly
and the personal exemption to at least $25,000 each. This would mean
that a family of four would pay no federal income tax on their first
$125,000 of income. Expand the earned income tax credit (EITC) to
approximately 4 times its current level, with at least $150 billion
paid out. Increase EITC payments to persons living alone as well as to
families with children. Make all college tuition and fees expenses
deductible, and remove the limits on the Hope and Lifetime Learning
tax credits. Return to the FDR-Ike-JFK 90% top marginal rate for
unearned income capital gains, interest, dividends, royalties, etc.,
not wages or self-employment -- of taxpayers with federal adjusted
gross income over $25 million. Roll back the scandalous Bush tax cuts
for the rich. Favor progressive taxation over proportional and
regressive taxation at every level. Phase out the most regressive
taxes, like the poll tax and the sales tax.
7. Nationalize the Federal Reserve System and establish it as a bureau
of the United States Treasury. The current privatized status of the
Federal Reserve System constitutes a violation of the United States
Constitution. The size of the money supply and interest rates will
henceforward be decided not by cliques of private bankers meeting in
secret, but rather by public laws passed by the House and Senate, and
signed by the president. Use this authority to immediately issue an
initial tranche of $1 trillion of new federal credits at 1% yearly
interest rates and maturities up to 30 years, to be repeated as
needed. Consider credit as a public utility. Make this initial credit
issue available on a priority basis to states, counties and local
governments for the purpose of infrastructure modernization.
Distribute credit to the private sector for high-technology re-
industrialization in plant, equipment and jobs, manufacturing, mining,
farming, construction, and other production of tangible physical
wealth and commodities only. Aim at the creation of 5 to 7 million new
productive jobs at union pay scales per year to achieve full
employment for the first time in decades.
8. Federally-sponsored infrastructure projects will include a new
nationwide network of magnetic levitation railways, as well as light
rail systems to facilitate commuting in all urban centers. These
economical and attractive light rail systems will allow a large
portion of the vehicle miles by private automobile using internal
combustion engines to be phased out of use in daily commuting. Launch
a public works program of highway and bridge reconstruction, water
management systems, electrical grids, hospitals, schools, cultural
facilities, and public libraries.
9. Comprehensive re-regulation of the entire financial and banking
system. Regulate the current non-bank banks. Bring all the hedge funds
under the oversight of the Securities and Exchange Commission, thus
effectively ending their special outlaw status as hedge funds. Begin
aggressive enforcement of all applicable antitrust and securities
fraud laws, as well as all existing labor legislation, including child
labor, wages and hours, etc. Repeal the Taft-Hartley law with its anti-
union "right to work" provisions, re-affirm the inalienable right to
collective bargaining, and revive the National Labor Relations Board
as an effective ally of working people. Full Davis-Bacon Act
enforcement for all federal contracts, without exception. Tax
leveraged buyouts and private capital deals, including all profits
deriving from them, in whatever form. End corporate welfare, and
establish consumer protection. Revive Glass-Steagall to prevent
nationwide banking oligopolies combining commercial banking with
investment banking.
10. Free college for all qualified students. Any student earning a
high school diploma will be entitled to free tuition and fees at a
community college or state university. High quality remedial courses
to give high-school dropouts a second chance, no matter what their
age. Without investment in the human capital of a highly trained work
force, there can be no economic survival in the 21st century. Federal
aid to raise teacher salaries through revenue sharing.
11. Announce the intention of the United States to abrogate NAFTA,
WTO, and all other international free trade agreements which have
destroyed employment in this country, while increasing the poverty
levels of the third world. Introduce a low protective tariff, starting
at 10% ad valorem on manufactured commodities to prevent reckless
dumping.
12. Investment tax credit for purchase modern technology in the form
of new physical tangible capital goods. Tax breaks for the creation of
new jobs in physical commodity production. Severe tax penalties for
the export of jobs to third world sweatshops.
13. Immediately impeach and remove from office both Bush and Cheney,
since otherwise all effective measures to deal with the Bush economic
depression will be crippled by presidential vetoes. Prepare the
impeachment of the RATS (Roberts-Alito-Thomas-Scalia) cabal of the
Supreme Court, if they should attempt to sabotage this emergency
economic recovery program under the color of judicial review.
14. Protect the family farm by a program of debt moratorium for
farmers, no foreclosures, 1% long-term federal credit for spring
planting needs and capital improvements, Restore parity prices at 125%
of parity. Rebuild farm surpluses and food stockpiles. Food for Peace
for famine relief abroad.
15. Keep open the options of capital controls and exchange controls if
required by further deterioration of the crisis. Prepare to freeze
most categories of financial debt (debt moratorium) for the duration
of the crisis. Revive Defense Production Act powers to mandate
production of needed commodities by private sector, as needed.
16. Call an international economic conference of sovereign states to
deal with this unprecedented world economic depression. The United
States should take the lead in proposing a new world monetary system
based on the alienable right of all nations and peoples to modern
economic development and to the enjoyment of the fullest fruits of
science, technology, industry, progress, and rising standards of
living. The new monetary system should be based on fixed parities with
narrow bands of fluctuation among the euro, the dollar, the yen, the
ruble, and other world currencies, including emerging Latin American
and Middle East regional currencies, with periodic settlement of
balance of payments discrepancies in gold among national authorities.
The goal of the new system is to promote world economic recovery
through large-scale export of the most modern high-technology capital
goods from the US, EU, and Japan to the developing countries. Create a
Multilateral Development Bank with an initial capital of 1 trillion
euros from US, UK, Japan, and other exporters to finance investment in
the poorest countries with 1%, revolving loans with maturities up to
thirty years. Immediate, permanent, and unconditional cancellation of
all international financial debts of the poorest countries.
17. Revive international humanitarian, scientific and technological
cooperation for the benefit of all nations. Roll back epidemic,
tropical, and endemic diseases with an international program of
biomedical research. Join with all interested nations in a joint
international effort to develop new energy resources in the field of
high-energy physics. Fund and expand an international cooperative
commitment to the exploration, permanent colonization, and economic
development of the moon and nearby planets. The spin-offs from these
three science drivers will provide the new technologies for the next
wave of economic modernization.
18. Revive the Franklin D. Roosevelt "freedom from want" provision of
the Atlantic Charter as elaborated in the Economic Bill of Rights
from the State of the Union Address of January 1944 and incorporate
these economic rights of all persons as amendments to the US
Constitution: "The right to a useful and remunerative job in the
industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation; the right to earn
enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation; the right
of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will
give him and his family a decent living; the right of every
businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom
from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or
abroad; the right of every family to a decent home; the right to
adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good
health; the right to adequate protection from the economic fears of
old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment; the right to a good
education."
Webster G. Tarpley
21 January 2008
Washington DC, USA
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"The Seventh Sign" <nak1138@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote: On Jan 22, 11:50 pm, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
Draft Economic Recovery
Program To Stop
The Bush Depression
By Webster Tarpley
1-22-8
1. Stop all foreclosures immediately for at least five years and for
the duration of the depression by means of a compulsory federal law
carrying criminal penalties. No foreclosures on homes, family farms,
factories, public utilities, hospitals, transportation and other
infrastructure. Outlaw adjustable rate mortgages.
2. Raise the federal minimum wage immediately to a living wage of at
least $15 per hour, with the short-term goal of attaining a federal
minimum wage of at least $20 per hour.
Just this part alone will make someone trash the rest of what you have
to say.
In a depression no one will have the money to buy anything let alone
pay employee wages even if they pass the rest of your BS ideas. Please
think it through more.
You need to make prices lower so folks overseas buy our goods to
continue the cash recycling on a global scale.
your Living wage is going to make bread about 10 USD a loaf. Gas about
7 a gallon if not more. and air for your tire at least 1.50 USD.
Your plan would definitely make the dollar about as worthless as
toilet paper.
Your plan is another new deal plan based on FDR's Depression era 90 %
of his plans failed. THis is to the point
we need a total rethink of everything.
CORRECT!
Quote:
The real problem isn't our jobs are overseas it is Inventory is
overpriced and we are overpaying a CEO to sit on their fat arse.
BULLSHIT!
Quote: Gluttony in the housing markets for rentals has pushed the slum lords
to the brink of bankruptcy (they deserve it!), in the automakers show
CORRECT!
Quote: room floors cars are sitting there new not moving due to overpriced
crap and overpaid CEOs that people do not need. A Gluttony of clothes
that sit on a retail shelf that people can not fit into really ticks
me off too. those clothes are moved around so much to keep them from
getting dusty.
The disposable society needs to come to a grinding halt and learn to
recycle, reduce, reuse, and become more thrifty.
GOOD POINT!
Quote:
I wonder what would happen if the rich were to spend 2000 dollars on
buying those clothes and donating them to charity and claim it on
their taxes. or even 1000 on clothes the rest on food for the needy?
would that not make a difference?
IT WON'T HAPPEN!
Quote:
Jobs need to be replaced and new jobs need to be brought into being.
Bush killed the most promising industy for jobs there was by denying
federal funding for stem cell research due to his religious bs. Cures
for various aliments need be found and he keeps letting his corperate
oil chumps burn down the forrest to look for oil for his car pools
instead of investing in research to reinvent transportation industry
overall.
Jobs always change directions and skill levels weather you can keep up
is up to you.
BULLSHIT! THEY'RE ALL GONE TO OVERSEAS PUNK!...
Quote: Your college plan tanks big time who would take a job as a teacher
then? No one! I agree everyone should have a free ride through the
system but if that happened overcrowded classrooms would be everywhere
and teachers hate that so do students. not to mention all the books
supplies you would need to stock etc. Outlawing private schools so the
rich kids suffer right along with the poor i think would be a better
idea. school uniforms do not promote entrepreneurs, putting kids on
phycho drugs does not promote creativity.
these things are needed for innovations that bring future jobs.
People here is the one thing you can do this election year to stop the
BS stop voting for democrats and republicains!
TSS
ALL ARE BULLSHITTERS... YOU CAN'T STOP THEM... THEY WILL CONTINUE THEIR WAY
UNTIL 2012.....Heeheee.............. |
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"Gunner Asch" <gunner@NOSPAM.earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Quote: On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:25:35 -0800 (PST), The Seventh Sign
nak1138@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 22, 11:50 pm, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
Draft Economic Recovery
Program To Stop
The Bush Depression
By Webster Tarpley
1-22-8
1. Stop all foreclosures immediately for at least five years and for
the duration of the depression by means of a compulsory federal law
carrying criminal penalties. No foreclosures on homes, family farms,
factories, public utilities, hospitals, transportation and other
infrastructure. Outlaw adjustable rate mortgages.
2. Raise the federal minimum wage immediately to a living wage of at
least $15 per hour, with the short-term goal of attaining a federal
minimum wage of at least $20 per hour.
Just this part alone will make someone trash the rest of what you have
to say.
In a depression no one will have the money to buy anything let alone
pay employee wages even if they pass the rest of your BS ideas. Please
think it through more.
You need to make prices lower so folks overseas buy our goods to
continue the cash recycling on a global scale.
your Living wage is going to make bread about 10 USD a loaf. Gas about
7 a gallon if not more. and air for your tire at least 1.50 USD.
Your plan would definitely make the dollar about as worthless as
toilet paper.
Your plan is another new deal plan based on FDR's Depression era 90 %
of his plans failed. THis is to the point
we need a total rethink of everything.
The real problem isn't our jobs are overseas it is Inventory is
overpriced and we are overpaying a CEO to sit on their fat arse.
Gluttony in the housing markets for rentals has pushed the slum lords
to the brink of bankruptcy (they deserve it!), in the automakers show
room floors cars are sitting there new not moving due to overpriced
crap and overpaid CEOs that people do not need. A Gluttony of clothes
that sit on a retail shelf that people can not fit into really ticks
me off too. those clothes are moved around so much to keep them from
getting dusty.
The disposable society needs to come to a grinding halt and learn to
recycle, reduce, reuse, and become more thrifty.
I wonder what would happen if the rich were to spend 2000 dollars on
buying those clothes and donating them to charity and claim it on
their taxes. or even 1000 on clothes the rest on food for the needy?
would that not make a difference?
Jobs need to be replaced and new jobs need to be brought into being.
Bush killed the most promising industy for jobs there was by denying
federal funding for stem cell research due to his religious bs. Cures
for various aliments need be found and he keeps letting his corperate
oil chumps burn down the forrest to look for oil for his car pools
instead of investing in research to reinvent transportation industry
overall.
Jobs always change directions and skill levels weather you can keep up
is up to you.
Your college plan tanks big time who would take a job as a teacher
then? No one! I agree everyone should have a free ride through the
system but if that happened overcrowded classrooms would be everywhere
and teachers hate that so do students. not to mention all the books
supplies you would need to stock etc. Outlawing private schools so the
rich kids suffer right along with the poor i think would be a better
idea. school uniforms do not promote entrepreneurs, putting kids on
phycho drugs does not promote creativity.
these things are needed for innovations that bring future jobs.
People here is the one thing you can do this election year to stop the
BS stop voting for democrats and republicains!
TSS
We can also shut down the flow over the borders and end all
entitlements to illegal aliens and their get.
Gunner
Agreed, but don't shoot them Gunner.... If you can't be nice then try
shooting your ass first to see how does it
feel........heeheee...........Dork! |
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The Seventh Sign <nak1138@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote: 2. Raise the federal minimum wage immediately to a living wage of at
least $15 per hour, with the short-term goal of attaining a federal
minimum wage of at least $20 per hour.
Just this part alone will make someone trash the rest of what you have
to say.
In a depression no one will have the money to buy anything let alone
pay employee wages even if they pass the rest of your BS ideas. Please
think it through more.
In this depression people will have lots of money, freshly printed. But
a bushel of money might not be enough to fill your gas tank ;)
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On Jan 23, 3:56 pm, Curly Surmudgeon <Curly.is....@home.com> wrote:
Quote: On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:50:37 -0800, knews4u2chew wrote:
Draft Economic Recovery Program To Stop The Bush Depression
By Webster Tarpley
1-22-8
There is no way to stop a severe recession at this point. It's a bit
early to predict a depression although the possibility is greater every
day with current economic news.
-- Regards, Curly
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So let's look at this:
http://action.downsizedc.org/wyc.php?cid=85
Ron Paul's Bill to fix some things. |
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On Jan 23, 5:25 am, The Seventh Sign <nak1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote: On Jan 22, 11:50 pm, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
Draft Economic Recovery
Program To Stop
The Bush Depression
By Webster Tarpley
1-22-8
1. Stop all foreclosures immediately for at least five years and for
the duration of the depression by means of a compulsory federal law
carrying criminal penalties. No foreclosures on homes, family farms,
factories, public utilities, hospitals, transportation and other
infrastructure. Outlaw adjustable rate mortgages.
Folks who got a real mortgage and really paid on time get a $5,000/
year "earned interest" credit paid for by a class action lawsuit on
all mortgage holders that are in foreclosure.
Quote: 2. Raise the federal minimum wage immediately to a living wage of at
least $15 per hour, with the short-term goal of attaining a federal
minimum wage of at least $20 per hour.
Immediately eliminate all taxation on businesses that hire fewer than
200 employees. No taxes, no employer matching contributions.
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| Curly Surmudgeon |
| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:56 pm |
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On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:50:37 -0800, knews4u2chew wrote:
Quote: Draft Economic Recovery Program To Stop The Bush Depression
By Webster Tarpley
1-22-8
There is no way to stop a severe recession at this point. It's a bit
early to predict a depression although the possibility is greater every
day with current economic news.
-- Regards, Curly
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| Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:20 am |
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In misc.survivalism Curly Surmudgeon <Curly.is.not@home.com> wrote:
Quote: There is no way to stop a severe recession at this point.
You need to work for some econometrics firm. You could make a seven
figure salary with your acumen.
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The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
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