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| amdx |
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:00 pm |
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For hobby use I'd like to have a pair of glasses like you see surgeons
use, they have small compound lenses mounted on the regular lens. They are
expensive, how would I go about making a magnyifing lens that will focus at
about 18" and magnify 2 to 3 times?
I have searched for them on the net, but haven't found them, this is as
close as I got. Not to expensive either.
http://www.magnifyingaids.com/index.php?page=products&subcategory_id=5#16245
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| Charles |
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:14 pm |
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| amdx |
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:18 am |
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"Charles" <ckraft@SPAMTRAP.west.net> wrote in message
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Yes, aren't those cool? and expensive!
So what type lenses are used to make these? |
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| whit3rd |
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:22 am |
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On Jan 16, 4:18 am, "amdx" <a...@knology.net> wrote:
Quote: So what type lenses are used to make these?
The website of Designs for Vision is recommended;
<http://www.designsforvision.com/>
The basic design is a telescope, of noninverting
type (opera glasses rather than the upside-down Galilean).
Actually building something like this that is light enough
to wear, and that you can see through, requires customizing
to a particular wearer (everyone's eyes aren't the
same distance apart, and it REALLY matters).
It's gonna cost ya. |
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| Dave Martindale |
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:52 am |
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"amdx" <amdx@knology.net> writes:
Quote: http://www.sheervision.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=3&gclid=CJCWx-Tk-ZACFRpdagodkXRB2Q
Yes, aren't those cool? and expensive!
So what type lenses are used to make these?
My dentist uses something like this, except that the two telescopes are
permanently mounted on the lenses of his regular glasses, instead of
having an external frame clamped to the glasses. Probably reduces
weight quite a bit.
The optics appear to be Galilean telescopes - a positive lens at the
front, a negative lens near the eye. The focal lengths used determine
magnification and size of the assembly. If you just want to experiment,
plain lenses from some place like Edmund might be good enough. But for
quality equivalent to the commercial ones, you'll probably need to make
each "lens" an achromat, and be anti-reflection coated. Or find a good-
quality pair of "opera glasses" and dismantle them for the optical
parts.
If you want to build the mechanical assembly yourself, you're going to
need access to a machine shop. The individual telescope barrels need to
hold the lenses in alignment, probably with some means of changing
spacing for focusing. Then the mounting frame has to hold the barrels
with exactly the correct spacing to match the user's eyes, with
exactly correct horizontal convergence and minimal vertical aim error
in order to get the two images to fuse properly into a stereo pair.
You'll need some amount of adjustability for this - either in the final
mechanics, or in a jig that you use to measure your particular eyes
(whose measurements are then used to make a non-adjustable framework
that is customized for you).
Essentially, you're building a specialized pair of binoculars that are
focused and converged at a specific distance instead of infinity.
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| Charles |
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:55 pm |
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On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:52:41 +0000 (UTC), davem@cs.ubc.ca (Dave
Martindale) wrote:
Quote: "amdx" <amdx@knology.net> writes:
http://www.sheervision.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=3&gclid=CJCWx-Tk-ZACFRpdagodkXRB2Q
Yes, aren't those cool? and expensive!
So what type lenses are used to make these?
My dentist uses something like this, except that the two telescopes are
permanently mounted on the lenses of his regular glasses, instead of
having an external frame clamped to the glasses. Probably reduces
weight quite a bit.
The optics appear to be Galilean telescopes - a positive lens at the
front, a negative lens near the eye. The focal lengths used determine
magnification and size of the assembly. If you just want to experiment,
plain lenses from some place like Edmund might be good enough. But for
quality equivalent to the commercial ones, you'll probably need to make
each "lens" an achromat, and be anti-reflection coated. Or find a good-
quality pair of "opera glasses" and dismantle them for the optical
parts.
If you want to build the mechanical assembly yourself, you're going to
need access to a machine shop. The individual telescope barrels need to
hold the lenses in alignment, probably with some means of changing
spacing for focusing. Then the mounting frame has to hold the barrels
with exactly the correct spacing to match the user's eyes, with
exactly correct horizontal convergence and minimal vertical aim error
in order to get the two images to fuse properly into a stereo pair.
You'll need some amount of adjustability for this - either in the final
mechanics, or in a jig that you use to measure your particular eyes
(whose measurements are then used to make a non-adjustable framework
that is customized for you).
Essentially, you're building a specialized pair of binoculars that are
focused and converged at a specific distance instead of infinity.
Dave
I wonder what's the field of view for those. |
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| Dave Martindale |
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:51 pm |
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Charles <ckraft@SPAMTRAP.west.net> writes:
Quote: I wonder what's the field of view for those.
Somewhere on the Sheervision web site it says that their lowest power
units (2.5X) have a field of view large enough to include an entire
mouth (they sell to dentists and dental hygenists) while the
higher-power ones show you only a portion of one.
Now, that's probably at their "normal" working distance. But the field
of view of the optics is actually some angle, and longer working
distance gives a proportionally larger real field size.
The Sheervision units are *not* focusable - you buy them for a
particular working distance, and the optics come focused and converged
for that distance.
Dave |
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| Dave Martindale |
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 11:20 pm |
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Richard J Kinch <kinch@truetex.com> writes:
Quote: If it's Galilean, it has to have a poor field of view.
They do say Galilean somewhere on one of their pages. And I don't know
of another way to build an optical system that small with erect images.
There doesn't seem to be enough length for a roof prism in there, and
that would also add a lot of weight.
Dave |
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| GLS |
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:31 am |
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| Richard J Kinch |
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:04 am |
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Dave Martindale writes:
Quote: Somewhere on the Sheervision web site it says that their lowest power
units (2.5X) have a field of view large enough to include an entire
mouth (they sell to dentists and dental hygenists) while the
higher-power ones show you only a portion of one.
If it's Galilean, it has to have a poor field of view. |
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| Vincent |
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:37 am |
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"amdx" <amdx@knology.net> wrote in
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You can find these optical devices cheaper on eBay
http://snipurl.com/1xuah
http://snipurl.com/1xuaw
and a lot more, the trick is to put "surg* bino*" in the search
field, prices lower yhan 200 USD, can't say about optical quality.
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Stars shine like eyes |
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| Vincent |
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 7:11 am |
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"amdx" <amdx@knology.net> wrote in
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Quote: Thanks for those links. I don't understand why the language is
Italian
Because I check eBay in Italian
Just change .it with .com .
Quote: but the company is in Ohio.
Also I think it has a typo on the field of view it states
520mm.
Thanks again, Mike
You're welcome.
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| amdx |
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 11:08 am |
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"Vincent" <vincze33@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote: "amdx" <amdx@knology.net> wrote in
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more like this?
http://www.sheervision.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=
3&gclid=CJCWx-Tk-ZACFRpdagodkXRB2Q
Yes, aren't those cool? and expensive!
So what type lenses are used to make these?
You can find these optical devices cheaper on eBay
http://snipurl.com/1xuah
http://snipurl.com/1xuaw
and a lot more, the trick is to put "surg* bino*" in the search
field, prices lower yhan 200 USD, can't say about optical quality.
Thanks for those links. I don't understand why the language is Italian but
the company is in Ohio.
Also I think it has a typo on the field of view it states
520mm.
Thanks again, Mike |
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| James R (Jim) Lynch III |
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:43 pm |
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One point, that I haven't seen mentioned in any of these posts, is that the
virtual, magnified image in these "operating spectacles" is located at the
same axial position as the object.
"Geometrical Optics and Optical Design"
Pantazis Mouroulis and John Macdonald
Oxford University Press
Copyright 1997
ISBN 0-19-508931-6
Section 4.10
The Two Component Design Problem
Example 4.6: Surgeon's Operating Spectacles
pages 88 - 89
Section 5.2.4
Gaussian Predesign
Example 5.4: (Surgeon's Operating Spectacles)
pages 115 - 116
Their design is a Galilean telescope with a singlet objective of FK5 glass
and a singlet eyepiece of SF57 glass.
James R (Jim) Lynch III |
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