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Guest
Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 8:24 am
http://space-exploration.suite101.com/article.cfm/setihome_needs_more_help

More data = more crunchers

"A New Deluge of Data from Arecibo

The Arecibo telescope in Puerto Rico, which is the largest radio
telescope in the world and was seen by many movie-goers in the 1997
film Contact, has recently received an upgrade that allows it 40 times
more frequency coverage and seven regions of the sky simultaneously
rather than one. This upgrade has generated 500 times more SETI data
than before. Chief Project Scientist Dan Werthimer explains that "That
means we are 500 times more likely to find ET than with the original
SETI@home.""
Wayne Brown
Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 1:31 pm
Guest
houndnews@gmail.com wrote <299b0944-b201-47cf-9860-7c8cc13fe83b@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> in sci.astro.seti:
Quote:
http://space-exploration.suite101.com/article.cfm/setihome_needs_more_help

More data = more crunchers

"A New Deluge of Data from Arecibo

The Arecibo telescope in Puerto Rico, which is the largest radio
telescope in the world and was seen by many movie-goers in the 1997
film Contact, has recently received an upgrade that allows it 40 times
more frequency coverage and seven regions of the sky simultaneously
rather than one. This upgrade has generated 500 times more SETI data
than before. Chief Project Scientist Dan Werthimer explains that "That
means we are 500 times more likely to find ET than with the original
SETI@home.""

I'll be glad to help, as soon as they release a client that installs
and runs just like the old SETI@home client. But as long as BOINC is
required, there's no way I'll resume my participation.

--
Wayne Brown <fwbrown@bellsouth.net> (HPCC #1104)

Þæs ofereode, ðisses swa mæg. ("That passed away, this also can.")
from "Deor," in the Exeter Book (folios 100r-100v)
riserman
Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 1:57 pm
Guest
Wayne Brown wrote:
Quote:
houndnews@gmail.com wrote <299b0944-b201-47cf-9860-7c8cc13fe83b@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> in sci.astro.seti:
http://space-exploration.suite101.com/article.cfm/setihome_needs_more_help

More data = more crunchers

"A New Deluge of Data from Arecibo

The Arecibo telescope in Puerto Rico, which is the largest radio
telescope in the world and was seen by many movie-goers in the 1997
film Contact, has recently received an upgrade that allows it 40 times
more frequency coverage and seven regions of the sky simultaneously
rather than one. This upgrade has generated 500 times more SETI data
than before. Chief Project Scientist Dan Werthimer explains that "That
means we are 500 times more likely to find ET than with the original
SETI@home.""

I'll be glad to help, as soon as they release a client that installs
and runs just like the old SETI@home client. But as long as BOINC is
required, there's no way I'll resume my participation.

Wayne,


What's wrong with BOINC? I've been running SETI and another project
using BOINC (with current updates) and have no complaints at all. Was
the "old SETI@home faster?

riserman
Matt Giwer
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 6:38 am
Guest
Wayne Brown wrote:
Quote:
houndnews@gmail.com wrote <299b0944-b201-47cf-9860-7c8cc13fe83b@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> in sci.astro.seti:
http://space-exploration.suite101.com/article.cfm/setihome_needs_more_help

More data = more crunchers

"A New Deluge of Data from Arecibo

The Arecibo telescope in Puerto Rico, which is the largest radio
telescope in the world and was seen by many movie-goers in the 1997
film Contact, has recently received an upgrade that allows it 40 times
more frequency coverage and seven regions of the sky simultaneously
rather than one. This upgrade has generated 500 times more SETI data
than before. Chief Project Scientist Dan Werthimer explains that "That
means we are 500 times more likely to find ET than with the original
SETI@home.""

I'll be glad to help, as soon as they release a client that installs
and runs just like the old SETI@home client. But as long as BOINC is
required, there's no way I'll resume my participation.

While I like the Purity of Our Essence as much as the next guy, BOINC is a
generalization of the concept proven by SETI@HOME. If you run it and only
subscribe to S@H it is no different from the original S@H. I don't see your
problem.

--
Palestine/Israel is simple. Moslems want their property back. Jews want to
steal more. That is all you need to know to understand everything that is
happening.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 3912
http://www.giwersworld.org a1
Odysseus
Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 3:26 am
Guest
In article <47826816$0$13897$607ed4bc@cv.net>,
riserman <riserman@optonline.net> wrote:

Quote:
Wayne Brown wrote:

<snip>

Quote:
I'll be glad to help, as soon as they release a client that installs
and runs just like the old SETI@home client. But as long as BOINC is
required, there's no way I'll resume my participation.

What's wrong with BOINC? I've been running SETI and another project
using BOINC (with current updates) and have no complaints at all. Was
the "old SETI@home faster?

It did something like one-tenth the analysis that the current app does,
and with no provision for cross-checking the results.

Wayne will be waiting indefinitely. Without BOINC the S@h project would
have died two or three years ago due to lack of funding (it's barely
getting by now, more or less on BOINC's coattails), and it's extremely
unlikely that we'll see a stand-alone client again.

See <http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/~mattl/facts.php>.

--
Odysseus
Wayne Brown
Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:12 pm
Guest
riserman <riserman@optonline.net> wrote <47826816$0$13897$607ed4bc@cv.net> in sci.astro.seti:
Quote:
Wayne Brown wrote:
houndnews@gmail.com wrote <299b0944-b201-47cf-9860-7c8cc13fe83b@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> in sci.astro.seti:
http://space-exploration.suite101.com/article.cfm/setihome_needs_more_help

More data = more crunchers

"A New Deluge of Data from Arecibo

The Arecibo telescope in Puerto Rico, which is the largest radio
telescope in the world and was seen by many movie-goers in the 1997
film Contact, has recently received an upgrade that allows it 40 times
more frequency coverage and seven regions of the sky simultaneously
rather than one. This upgrade has generated 500 times more SETI data
than before. Chief Project Scientist Dan Werthimer explains that "That
means we are 500 times more likely to find ET than with the original
SETI@home.""

I'll be glad to help, as soon as they release a client that installs
and runs just like the old SETI@home client. But as long as BOINC is
required, there's no way I'll resume my participation.

Wayne,

What's wrong with BOINC? I've been running SETI and another project
using BOINC (with current updates) and have no complaints at all. Was
the "old SETI@home faster?

It's overkill. I don't want some complex system designed to run multiple
projects. The Classic client was a simple, standalone, easy-to-install
program. BOINC requires all sorts of configuration that wasn't necessary
with the old client.

All that interests me is an executable file that I can drop into the
same directory where the Classic client was installed and have it work
with my old scripts with no changes needed. That's not how BOINC works,
and so I'm not interested.

--
Wayne Brown <fwbrown@bellsouth.net> (HPCC #1104)

Þæs ofereode, ðisses swa mæg. ("That passed away, this also can.")
from "Deor," in the Exeter Book (folios 100r-100v)
Wayne Brown
Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:12 pm
Guest
Matt Giwer <jull43@tampabay.remover.rr.com> wrote <47835788$0$7220$4c368faf@roadrunner.com> in sci.astro.seti:
Quote:
Wayne Brown wrote:
houndnews@gmail.com wrote <299b0944-b201-47cf-9860-7c8cc13fe83b@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> in sci.astro.seti:
http://space-exploration.suite101.com/article.cfm/setihome_needs_more_help

More data = more crunchers

"A New Deluge of Data from Arecibo

The Arecibo telescope in Puerto Rico, which is the largest radio
telescope in the world and was seen by many movie-goers in the 1997
film Contact, has recently received an upgrade that allows it 40 times
more frequency coverage and seven regions of the sky simultaneously
rather than one. This upgrade has generated 500 times more SETI data
than before. Chief Project Scientist Dan Werthimer explains that "That
means we are 500 times more likely to find ET than with the original
SETI@home.""

I'll be glad to help, as soon as they release a client that installs
and runs just like the old SETI@home client. But as long as BOINC is
required, there's no way I'll resume my participation.

While I like the Purity of Our Essence as much as the next guy, BOINC is a
generalization of the concept proven by SETI@HOME. If you run it and only
subscribe to S@H it is no different from the original S@H. I don't see your
problem.

Can you spend 30 seconds unpacking it into the same directory as the old
client, and then ignore it until the next update comes along, like I used
to do with the Classic client? No, because BOINC doesn't work that way,
so I don't want it on my systems.

--
Wayne Brown <fwbrown@bellsouth.net> (HPCC #1104)

Þæs ofereode, ðisses swa mæg. ("That passed away, this also can.")
from "Deor," in the Exeter Book (folios 100r-100v)
Jim Shaffer
Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:56 pm
Guest
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:12:22 GMT, Wayne Brown <fwbrown@bellsouth.net>
wrote:

Quote:
All that interests me is an executable file that I can drop into the
same directory where the Classic client was installed and have it work
with my old scripts with no changes needed. That's not how BOINC works,
and so I'm not interested.

Scripts? With the BOINC manager, you don't need scripts.
Matt Giwer
Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 12:45 am
Guest
Wayne Brown wrote:
Quote:
Matt Giwer <jull43@tampabay.remover.rr.com> wrote <47835788$0$7220$4c368faf@roadrunner.com> in sci.astro.seti:
Wayne Brown wrote:
houndnews@gmail.com wrote <299b0944-b201-47cf-9860-7c8cc13fe83b@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> in sci.astro.seti:
http://space-exploration.suite101.com/article.cfm/setihome_needs_more_help
More data = more crunchers
"A New Deluge of Data from Arecibo
The Arecibo telescope in Puerto Rico, which is the largest radio
telescope in the world and was seen by many movie-goers in the 1997
film Contact, has recently received an upgrade that allows it 40 times
more frequency coverage and seven regions of the sky simultaneously
rather than one. This upgrade has generated 500 times more SETI data
than before. Chief Project Scientist Dan Werthimer explains that "That
means we are 500 times more likely to find ET than with the original
SETI@home.""
I'll be glad to help, as soon as they release a client that installs
and runs just like the old SETI@home client. But as long as BOINC is
required, there's no way I'll resume my participation.
While I like the Purity of Our Essence as much as the next guy, BOINC is a
generalization of the concept proven by SETI@HOME. If you run it and only
subscribe to S@H it is no different from the original S@H. I don't see your
problem.

Can you spend 30 seconds unpacking it into the same directory as the old
client, and then ignore it until the next update comes along, like I used
to do with the Classic client? No, because BOINC doesn't work that way,
so I don't want it on my systems.

What you do not want you will not have. However your reasons are nonsense.

--
Don't let the weather spoil your Holocaust Day Bar-B-Que plans.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 3916
http://www.giwersworld.org a1
Jan Knutar
Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 1:32 pm
Guest
Matt Giwer wrote:

Quote:
What you do not want you will not have. However your reasons are nonsense.

The guy has a point. The classic client was quick to setup, requiring zero
thought. If it takes too many clicks and too many questions need to be
answered by the user, then the amount of users who give up or quit halfway
through will increase. The devoted fancrowd will always go through all the
extra steps and do whatever it takes, but the big masses wont. It's an
important point to consider if one wants more people to analyze workunits.
Jacob Krolo
Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:14 pm
Guest
Jan Knutar wrote:
The guy has a point. The classic client was quick to setup, requiring zero
thought.



Yes, and I'll be glad to help and employ extra PC capacities, but I must
agree with
Wayne Brown when he says, 'as long as BOINC is required, there's no
way to resume participation. On 23rd of Dec. 2005., my computers stopped
processing Seti@Home Classic Work Units and that was it.

Jan Knutar is absolutely right with his conclusion (It's an important point
to
consider if one wants more people to analyze workunits.)

Jacob
Matt Giwer
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:17 am
Guest
Jan Knutar wrote:
Quote:
Matt Giwer wrote:
What you do not want you will not have. However your reasons are nonsense.

The guy has a point. The classic client was quick to setup, requiring zero
thought. If it takes too many clicks and too many questions need to be
answered by the user, then the amount of users who give up or quit halfway
through will increase. The devoted fancrowd will always go through all the
extra steps and do whatever it takes, but the big masses wont. It's an
important point to consider if one wants more people to analyze workunits.

Perhaps my memory is failing. However I put switching almost to the end for the
problems I was reading about here and as I had four machines to keep working at
the time. But when I got around to do it I recall no problems doing so. Boinc is
a separate product. Once installed do not see any difference between the old and
new S@H steps to set up. Boinc was trivial on linux.

--
If Ron Paul is doing well after Super Tuesday he will soon die of natural
causes. In politics, assassination is a natural cause.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 3911
http://www.giwersworld.org/holo3/holo-survivors.phtml a3
Trevor
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:36 pm
Guest
Wayne Brown wrote:
Quote:
Matt Giwer <jull43@tampabay.remover.rr.com> wrote <47835788$0$7220$4c368faf@roadrunner.com> in sci.astro.seti:
Wayne Brown wrote:
houndnews@gmail.com wrote <299b0944-b201-47cf-9860-7c8cc13fe83b@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> in sci.astro.seti:
http://space-exploration.suite101.com/article.cfm/setihome_needs_more_help

More data = more crunchers

"A New Deluge of Data from Arecibo

The Arecibo telescope in Puerto Rico, which is the largest radio
telescope in the world and was seen by many movie-goers in the 1997
film Contact, has recently received an upgrade that allows it 40 times
more frequency coverage and seven regions of the sky simultaneously
rather than one. This upgrade has generated 500 times more SETI data
than before. Chief Project Scientist Dan Werthimer explains that "That
means we are 500 times more likely to find ET than with the original
SETI@home.""
I'll be glad to help, as soon as they release a client that installs
and runs just like the old SETI@home client. But as long as BOINC is
required, there's no way I'll resume my participation.
While I like the Purity of Our Essence as much as the next guy, BOINC is a
generalization of the concept proven by SETI@HOME. If you run it and only
subscribe to S@H it is no different from the original S@H. I don't see your
problem.

Can you spend 30 seconds unpacking it into the same directory as the old
client, and then ignore it until the next update comes along, like I used
to do with the Classic client? No, because BOINC doesn't work that way,
so I don't want it on my systems.


I agree with Wayne here, I run BOINC because I like helping on the
project, actually I'm in both SETI@home and Rosetta@home but the old
days were nice. It seems like I have to constantly "check up" on BOINC
and make sure its functioning and then report finished chunks and make
sure that things are downloading properly. Plus I like having the old
graphical screensaver. The new graphics move around too much purely for
effect and the BOINC screensaver is quite boring.
Wayne Brown
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:03 pm
Guest
Matt Giwer <jull43@tampabay.remover.rr.com> wrote <4789bb4d$0$5105$4c368faf@roadrunner.com> in sci.astro.seti:
Quote:

Perhaps my memory is failing. However I put switching almost to the end for the
problems I was reading about here and as I had four machines to keep working at
the time. But when I got around to do it I recall no problems doing so. Boinc is
a separate product. Once installed do not see any difference between the old and
new S@H steps to set up. Boinc was trivial on linux.

Can you leave it running for weeks or months at a time without paying
any attention to it at all, or even remembering it's there?

--
Wayne Brown <fwbrown@bellsouth.net> (HPCC #1104)

Þæs ofereode, ðisses swa mæg. ("That passed away, this also can.")
from "Deor," in the Exeter Book (folios 100r-100v)
Wayne Brown
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:03 pm
Guest
Jim Shaffer <jmshaffer@alltel.net> wrote <r1bgo3t16e7658r3tasmc5mnmkhucp711l@4ax.com> in sci.astro.seti:
Quote:
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:12:22 GMT, Wayne Brown <fwbrown@bellsouth.net
wrote:

All that interests me is an executable file that I can drop into the
same directory where the Classic client was installed and have it work
with my old scripts with no changes needed. That's not how BOINC works,
and so I'm not interested.

Scripts? With the BOINC manager, you don't need scripts.

But I already have them. They're automated as cron jobs so I don't have
to look at them or pay any attention to them. With the old client,
I could forget about it and let it run for weeks at a time without
thinking about it. That doesn't seem to be the case with BOINC.

I spent considerable time and effort getting my systems set up to run
Seti@home without any monitoring or intervention from me. Essentially,
I'm not interested in doing anything with SETI that requires changing
the way my systems work or learning anything new about the software.
Unpacking the occasional update into the installation directory is the
only involvement I'm willing to have with running it.

--
Wayne Brown <fwbrown@bellsouth.net> (HPCC #1104)

Þæs ofereode, ðisses swa mæg. ("That passed away, this also can.")
from "Deor," in the Exeter Book (folios 100r-100v)
 
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