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Bill Miller
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 12:12 pm
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If you think that Quantum Mechanics are guys that fix broken Quantums, then
this book is probably not for you.



If, on the other hand, you dislike the idea that location and energy and
momentum are statistical when they involve electrons, and are smoothly well
defined when they involve currents, then this 135 page book may be what you
have been looking for.



Meade's basic premise is that the quantum nature of matter can be used to
describe ALL EM phenomena. To demonstrate this, he has chosen an interesting
starting point: a variety of loops of super conducting material.



In conventional EM theory, for a given current, as the size of a loop
changes, the flux associated with the loop will change in a strictly linear
fashion. Experimentally, Meade has learned that flux in super conducting
loops is quantum. That is, as a loop's dimensions are changed, the flux
level varies in small increments, rather than in a strictly linear fashion.



The reason, says Meade, is that in a conventional loop, the currents are
disordered. In a superconductor, all the electrons are in what amounts to
"lock step."



He takes this newly discovered experimental evidence and uses it to develop
current EM theory *without* Maxwell's Equations. (And, thankfully, without
Displacement Current!) In other words, he takes Quantum Results and uses
them to derive Classical EM.



But he does not stop there.



Instead, he analyzes the apparent discontinuity that occurs when an electron
changes its energy state and emits a photon. He shows that the apparent
"jump" or discontinuity does not happen instantaneously. Instead, there is a
process analogous to "positive feedback" in the interaction between two
charged particles. Because the interaction happens so rapidly, it simply
*appears* instantaneous.



This is a thought-provoking booklet. It leaves many questions - such as the
nature of an electron - unanswered or partially answered. But it provides a
plausible explanation to "bridge the gap" between the quantum universe and
the classical one. They are, he claims, one and the same.



My thanks to *maxwell* for referring me to this book.



Bill Miller
Guest
Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 10:23 am
On Dec 28, 8:12 am, "Bill Miller" <billmillerkt...@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
Quote:
 If you think that Quantum Mechanics are guys that fix broken Quantums, then
this book is probably not for you.

If, on the other hand, you dislike the idea that location and energy and
momentum are statistical when they involve electrons, and are smoothly well
defined when they involve currents, then this 135 page book may be what you
have been looking for.

Meade's basic premise is that the quantum nature of matter can be used to
describe ALL EM phenomena. To demonstrate this, he has chosen an interesting
starting point: a variety of loops of super conducting material.

In conventional EM theory, for a given current, as the size of a loop
changes, the flux associated with the loop will change in a strictly linear
fashion. Experimentally, Meade has learned that flux in super conducting
loops is quantum. That is, as a loop's dimensions are changed, the flux
level varies in small increments, rather than in a strictly linear fashion..

The reason, says Meade, is that in a conventional loop, the currents are
disordered. In a superconductor, all the electrons are in what amounts to
"lock step."

He takes this newly discovered experimental evidence and uses it to develop
current EM theory *without* Maxwell's Equations. (And, thankfully, without
Displacement Current!) In other words, he takes Quantum Results and uses
them to derive Classical EM.

But he does not stop there.

Instead, he analyzes the apparent discontinuity that occurs when an electron
changes its energy state and emits a photon. He shows that the apparent
"jump" or discontinuity does not happen instantaneously. Instead, there is a
process analogous to "positive feedback" in the interaction between two
charged particles. Because the interaction happens so rapidly, it simply
*appears* instantaneous.

This is a thought-provoking booklet. It leaves many questions - such as the
nature of an electron - unanswered or partially answered. But it provides a
plausible explanation to "bridge the gap" between the quantum universe and
the classical one. They are, he claims, one and the same.

My thanks to *maxwell* for referring me to this book.

Bill Miller
You are very welcome, Bill. I'm pleased that you found such valuable

insights from such a nice, little book; proving, once again, that
'small is beautiful'.
All the best in 2008, to everyone still interested in the fundamentals
of EM.
Knud Soerensen
Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:33 am
Guest
Hi Bill

I have read the book and for me it where a disappointment.

The problem is that Mead haven't studied EM in dept before he wrote the
book. He blindly assume that Maxwell's and QED describe all EM phenomena
and overlook important phenomenas discovered by Tesla, Brown and others.



Bill Miller wrote:
Quote:
If you think that Quantum Mechanics are guys that fix broken Quantums, then
this book is probably not for you.



If, on the other hand, you dislike the idea that location and energy and
momentum are statistical when they involve electrons, and are smoothly well
defined when they involve currents, then this 135 page book may be what you
have been looking for.

Bill Miller
Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:48 pm
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"Knud Soerensen" <4tuu4k002@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
news:4787322f$0$7603$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk...
Quote:
Hi Bill

I have read the book and for me it where a disappointment.

The problem is that Mead haven't studied EM in dept before he wrote the
book. He blindly assume that Maxwell's and QED describe all EM phenomena
and overlook important phenomenas discovered by Tesla, Brown and others.



Bill Miller wrote:
If you think that Quantum Mechanics are guys that fix broken Quantums,
then
this book is probably not for you.



If, on the other hand, you dislike the idea that location and energy and
momentum are statistical when they involve electrons, and are smoothly
well
defined when they involve currents, then this 135 page book may be what
you
have been looking for.


Hello Knud...

Thanks for looking at Meade's book, and for adding your thoughts.

Conventional wisdom (?) is that all EM *can* be described by QED and EM. The
problem has been that you had to pick one or the other. Meade's book is a
useful step toward unifying the two disciplines.

The problem with Tesla's work is that he was so d---d secretive. All of his
so-called "special" or "different" findings, like free energy were never
written down. (Or, for those wearing aluminium hats, the findings *were*
written down but were stolen by the FBI, US Military, GE, Edison or...)

Of all of Tesla's "far out" work, the only one that seems to have been
witnessed by reliable observers is his generation of something akin to "ball
lightening." Apparently he could produce this rarely-seen-in-nature
phenomenon at will.

NOBODY knows how he did it, and apparently no one has ever replicated the
phenomenon in a lab.

There may be others in this same category, but I am not aware of them.

There are many people named "Brown." Which one were you referring to?

All the best,

Bill Miller
Benj
Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:57 pm
Guest
On Jan 11, 11:48 am, "Bill Miller" <billmillerkt...@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:

Quote:
The problem with Tesla's work is that he was so d---d secretive. All of his
so-called "special" or "different" findings, like free energy were never
written down. (Or, for those wearing aluminium hats, the findings *were*
written down but were stolen by the FBI, US Military, GE, Edison or...)

<putting on tin foil hat> Actually the answer(s) are U.S. Government
(Who grabbed all his stuff and records when he died only to release it
much later (no doubt after it was all methodically copied) and J. P.
Morgan. Said Morgan speaking of Tesla: "Nobody milks my cow for
free!!" Nuff said.

Quote:
Of all of Tesla's "far out" work, the only one that seems to have been
witnessed by reliable observers is his generation of something akin to "ball
lightening." Apparently he could produce this rarely-seen-in-nature
phenomenon at will.

NOBODY knows how he did it, and apparently no one has ever replicated the
phenomenon in a lab.

I'm not sure it was "at will". He certainly had seen it around his
experiments "many times". And I'm sure you recall some years back
when the military actually duplicated one of Tesla's huge coil setups
to try to get some ball lightening. I think they actually did see
some but again it was not produced "at will".

Quote:
There are many people named "Brown." Which one were you referring to?

My guess he means "Townsend Brown" of ionic wind (and also same thing
in a hard vacuum) fame. I'm not sure there is much "unexplained"
about the Brown discoveries, at least the ones related to his
patents.
Benj
Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:09 pm
Guest
On Jan 11, 4:33 am, Knud Soerensen <4tuu4k...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
Quote:
Hi Bill

I have read the book and for me it where a disappointment.

The problem is that Mead haven't studied EM in dept before he wrote the
book. He blindly assume that Maxwell's and QED describe all EM phenomena
and overlook important phenomenas discovered by Tesla, Brown and others.

For those of you looking at Amazon.com for the book as I did. Note
that Knud has the Correct spelling!

The author name is Carver A. Mead.

Search for that. Lots of copies new and used, paper and hard bound,
available.
Knud Soerensen
Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:14 am
Guest
Bill Miller wrote:
Quote:
"Knud Soerensen" <4tuu4k002@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
news:4787322f$0$7603$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk...
Hi Bill

I have read the book and for me it where a disappointment.

The problem is that Mead haven't studied EM in dept before he wrote the
book. He blindly assume that Maxwell's and QED describe all EM phenomena
and overlook important phenomenas discovered by Tesla, Brown and others.



Bill Miller wrote:
If you think that Quantum Mechanics are guys that fix broken Quantums,
then
this book is probably not for you.



If, on the other hand, you dislike the idea that location and energy and
momentum are statistical when they involve electrons, and are smoothly
well
defined when they involve currents, then this 135 page book may be what
you
have been looking for.


Hello Knud...

Thanks for looking at Meade's book, and for adding your thoughts.

Conventional wisdom (?) is that all EM *can* be described by QED and EM. The
problem has been that you had to pick one or the other. Meade's book is a
useful step toward unifying the two disciplines.

The problem with Tesla's work is that he was so d---d secretive. All of his
so-called "special" or "different" findings, like free energy were never
written down. (Or, for those wearing aluminium hats, the findings *were*
written down but were stolen by the FBI, US Military, GE, Edison or...)

Well, Tesla did initially publish hes discovery of dielectric or

longitudinal radiation in the article "On the dissipation of the
electrical energy of the hertz resonator"

Also the reason that Tesla where so secretive after that was because
he was payed to shut up.

Hes said so in one of articles in the book "Tesla said" by John T.
Ratzlaff.


Quote:
Of all of Tesla's "far out" work, the only one that seems to have been
witnessed by reliable observers is his generation of something akin to "ball
lightening." Apparently he could produce this rarely-seen-in-nature
phenomenon at will.

NOBODY knows how he did it, and apparently no one has ever replicated the
phenomenon in a lab.

If you really believe nobody knows how he did it will effectively
prevent you from finding does who do know !

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-721789270445596549
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6461713170757457294
Knud Soerensen
Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:22 am
Guest
Quote:
There are many people named "Brown." Which one were you referring to?

My guess he means "Townsend Brown" of ionic wind (and also same thing
in a hard vacuum) fame. I'm not sure there is much "unexplained"
about the Brown discoveries, at least the ones related to his
patents.


Yes, this is the Brown I talk about.

If you look in to the subject you will see that
the "ionic wind" hypotheses doesn't hold.
Bert Hickman
Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 3:57 pm
Guest
Knud Soerensen wrote:
Quote:
Bill Miller wrote:
"Knud Soerensen" <4tuu4k002@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
news:4787322f$0$7603$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk...
Hi Bill

I have read the book and for me it where a disappointment.

The problem is that Mead haven't studied EM in dept before he wrote the
book. He blindly assume that Maxwell's and QED describe all EM phenomena
and overlook important phenomenas discovered by Tesla, Brown and others.



Bill Miller wrote:
If you think that Quantum Mechanics are guys that fix broken Quantums,
then
this book is probably not for you.



If, on the other hand, you dislike the idea that location and energy and
momentum are statistical when they involve electrons, and are smoothly
well
defined when they involve currents, then this 135 page book may be what
you
have been looking for.

Hello Knud...

Thanks for looking at Meade's book, and for adding your thoughts.

Conventional wisdom (?) is that all EM *can* be described by QED and EM. The
problem has been that you had to pick one or the other. Meade's book is a
useful step toward unifying the two disciplines.

The problem with Tesla's work is that he was so d---d secretive. All of his
so-called "special" or "different" findings, like free energy were never
written down. (Or, for those wearing aluminium hats, the findings *were*
written down but were stolen by the FBI, US Military, GE, Edison or...)

Well, Tesla did initially publish hes discovery of dielectric or
longitudinal radiation in the article "On the dissipation of the
electrical energy of the hertz resonator"

Also the reason that Tesla where so secretive after that was because
he was payed to shut up.

Hes said so in one of articles in the book "Tesla said" by John T.
Ratzlaff.


Sigh... why is Tesla associated with so many modern-day conspiracy
theories?

Because it is a distributed system, a Tesla coil secondary (resonator)
exhibits fairly complex behavior in both the time and frequency domains.
However, the analysis is NOT intractable, and certainly does NOT require
recourse to longitudinal waves, or other exotic or unproven phenomena.
Nor does it require quantum mechanical analysis.

A model was developed using distributed inductances, distributed mutual
inductances, and distributed capacitances, and is backed by numerous
experimental measurements. If you truly want to gain an understanding
about self-resonant Tesla Coil secondaries work, see the Tesla Secondary
Simulation Project page:
http://www.abelian.demon.co.uk/tssp/

Bert
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Autymn D. C.
Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:07 pm
Guest
On Jan 11, 1:33 am, Knud Soerensen <4tuu4k...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
Quote:
I have read the book and for me it where a disappointment.

where?

Quote:
The problem is that Mead haven't studied EM in dept before he wrote the

haven't?
behind?

Quote:
book.  He blindly assume that Maxwell's and QED describe all EM phenomena

He blindly what?!

Quote:
and overlook important phenomenas discovered by Tesla, Brown and others.

fainòmena is already plural (pliral), retard.

Others would includire me, the discoverer of the z-fotòn thas makes
invisibility possibil:
http://google.com/groups?q=Autymn+invisibility
http://google.com/groups?q=Autymn+dark-energy

-Aut
Autymn D. C.
Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:11 pm
Guest
On Jan 11, 8:48 am, "Bill Miller" <billmillerkt...@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
Quote:
Of all of Tesla's "far out" work, the only one that seems to have been
witnessed by reliable observers is his generation of something akin to "ball
lightening." Apparently he could produce this rarely-seen-in-nature
phenomenon at will.

NOBODY knows how he did it, and apparently no one has ever replicated the
phenomenon in a lab.

Russcik hav maed ball lightning with coils, silica, and transition
metals.
Autymn D. C.
Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:20 pm
Guest
On Jan 12, 6:14 am, Knud Soerensen <4tuu4k...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
Quote:
If you really believe nobody knows how he did it will effectively
prevent you from finding does who do know !

gibberish, and ? is not a word.
Autymn D. C.
Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:20 pm
Guest
On Jan 12, 6:14 am, Knud Soerensen <4tuu4k...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
Quote:
If you really believe nobody knows how he did it will effectively
prevent you from finding does who do know !

gibberish, and ! is not a word.
Vince Morgan
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 2:41 am
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"Knud Soerensen" <4tuu4k002@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
news:4788c74a$0$7604$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk...
Quote:

There are many people named "Brown." Which one were you referring to?

My guess he means "Townsend Brown" of ionic wind (and also same thing
in a hard vacuum) fame. I'm not sure there is much "unexplained"
about the Brown discoveries, at least the ones related to his
patents.


Yes, this is the Brown I talk about.

If you look in to the subject you will see that
the "ionic wind" hypotheses doesn't hold.
And experiments also confirm this.
Vince Morgan
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:51 am
Guest
"Knud Soerensen" <4tuu4k002@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
news:4788c561$0$7607$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk...
Quote:
Bill Miller wrote:
"Knud Soerensen" <4tuu4k002@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
news:4787322f$0$7603$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk...
Hi Bill

I have read the book and for me it where a disappointment.

The problem is that Mead haven't studied EM in dept before he wrote the
book. He blindly assume that Maxwell's and QED describe all EM
phenomena
and overlook important phenomenas discovered by Tesla, Brown and
others.



Bill Miller wrote:
If you think that Quantum Mechanics are guys that fix broken
Quantums,
then
this book is probably not for you.



If, on the other hand, you dislike the idea that location and energy
and
momentum are statistical when they involve electrons, and are smoothly
well
defined when they involve currents, then this 135 page book may be
what
you
have been looking for.


Hello Knud...

Thanks for looking at Meade's book, and for adding your thoughts.

Conventional wisdom (?) is that all EM *can* be described by QED and EM.
The
problem has been that you had to pick one or the other. Meade's book is
a
useful step toward unifying the two disciplines.

The problem with Tesla's work is that he was so d---d secretive. All of
his
so-called "special" or "different" findings, like free energy were never
written down. (Or, for those wearing aluminium hats, the findings *were*
written down but were stolen by the FBI, US Military, GE, Edison or...)

Well, Tesla did initially publish hes discovery of dielectric or
longitudinal radiation in the article "On the dissipation of the
electrical energy of the hertz resonator"

Also the reason that Tesla where so secretive after that was because
he was payed to shut up.

Hes said so in one of articles in the book "Tesla said" by John T.
Ratzlaff.


Of all of Tesla's "far out" work, the only one that seems to have been
witnessed by reliable observers is his generation of something akin to
"ball
lightening." Apparently he could produce this rarely-seen-in-nature
phenomenon at will.

NOBODY knows how he did it, and apparently no one has ever replicated
the
phenomenon in a lab.

If you really believe nobody knows how he did it will effectively
prevent you from finding does who do know !


And it makes it so much easier to deny that he ever did.

Quote:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-721789270445596549
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6461713170757457294

Now it's time for the deniers to refute the experiments I would think?
Vince
 
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