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Don Lancaster
Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 7:27 pm
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User wrote:
Quote:
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:05:17 -0700, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:


On Sep 10, 3:36 am, u...@email.address.here (User) wrote:


It's quite funny that there's no transcript of the deposition. An act
of sabotage that would so clearly be at the heart of an unjust verdict
would be grounds for immediate dismissal. Such an act of sabotage
would at least clearly justify an appeal.

Yet Meyer never spent the few thousand dollars to have the tapes
transcribed to text so he could use them in an appeal. He always
claimed he was going to appeal, yet he never did anything toward an
appeal.

Why didn't Meyer appeal?-

Dead men can't appeal.


Meyer died two years after the trial, and he was claiming sabotage
right from the start. Why didn't he ever start the process moving
toward an appeal, which would have started with having the tapes
transcribed?

Could it be that he never had any intention of filing an appeal, and
was just telling you, gasp, lies?




I was willing to personally put several hundred dollars into putting the
Meyer Fraud trial on my website to eliminate this ludicrosity once and
for all.

I was amazed that the transcripts have never been transcribed. The court
recorder costs were something like $20 per page for 900 pages estimated.

Which (considering the bureaucracy) sounds eminently reasonable
considering the work involved. Apparently simple copies of the cassettes
or the steneotyper originals are not legally useful besides not being
available. You would still have to translate them yourself.

At any rate, I will gladly pay $300 for a complete web readable and
chain-of-evidence certifiable transcript of the Meyer trial. Which I
will gladly publish online.



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Eeyore
Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 10:22 pm
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knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:

Quote:
Meyer's circuit works.

You are completely detached from reality.

Graham
Paul Maffia
Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 11:53 pm
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"Terryc" <newsthreespam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote in message
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Quote:
knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
They reserve
all this for themselves as they build their cities 5 miles under
ground in Balarat

Where is this "Balarat"?

It must be a location in the alternate universe where MORON TOWN, of which
knews4u is THE VILLAGE IDIOT, is located.
Dan Bloomquist
Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 1:06 am
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Paul Maffia wrote:

Quote:

"Terryc" <newsthreespam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote in message
news:46e5d25f$0$21677$c30e37c6@pit-reader.telstra.net...

knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:

They reserve
all this for themselves as they build their cities 5 miles under
ground in Balarat


Where is this "Balarat"?


It must be a location in the alternate universe where MORON TOWN, of
which knews4u is THE VILLAGE IDIOT, is located.

Such as an idiot. So many times I have posted the likes of:

"If such were true, all hell would break out on every university in the
world"

Paul is a scientific illiterate, like all the rest.........
User
Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:31 am
Guest
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 04:22:10 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

Quote:
knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:

Meyer's circuit works.

You are completely detached from reality.

That's *exactly* (i.e. verbatim) how Judge Corzine described Stanley
Meyer after the trial.

Meyer and his "expert witnesses" seemed to be operating in their own
universe with their own rules. They turned the whole trial into a
circus. And Meyer was genuinely flabbergasted in the deposition when
the cell failed to operate the way he claimed it would.
User
Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 6:33 am
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On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:27:29 -0700, Don Lancaster <don@tinaja.com>
wrote:

Quote:
At any rate, I will gladly pay $300 for a complete web readable and
chain-of-evidence certifiable transcript of the Meyer trial. Which I
will gladly publish online.

And if there was any hint of sabotage at the deposition or trial, the
tapes would have been transcribed immediately.

For two years after the trial Meyer complained of sabotage, conflict
of interest, etc., and told his followers he was going to appeal. But
he never made any effort at all to move toward an appeal.

Finally, two years later, an aneurism popped in his brain and that was
that. Meyer is gone, and a decade later his followers *still* try to
carry on. The problem is, they're all too stupid even to duplicate
the charade Meyer had going (which netted $1.5 million). All they can
do is post and repost old messages and videos and complain about
suppression. Pathetic.
Eeyore
Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 7:19 am
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User wrote:

Quote:
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:

Meyer's circuit works.

You are completely detached from reality.

That's *exactly* (i.e. verbatim) how Judge Corzine described Stanley
Meyer after the trial.

Meyer and his "expert witnesses" seemed to be operating in their own
universe with their own rules. They turned the whole trial into a
circus. And Meyer was genuinely flabbergasted in the deposition when
the cell failed to operate the way he claimed it would.

You mean he actually believed the nonsense he claimed ?

For years now, this kind of mumbo-jumbo 'science' that resorts to made-up
scientific sounding words and the like has been evident in the hi-fi market with
ridiculous claims being made for the like of 'magic' power cables and 'cable
burn-in' devices. The Shakti Stone
http://www.shakti-innovations.com/audiovideo.htm
that claims to improve your sound by placing a 'rock' on your cables is even
more bizarre as is the Tice Clock
http://www.elecdesign.com/Articles/Index.cfm?AD=1&ArticleID=6134
that claims to improve the sound by plugging a digital clock into the same
circuit as your audio kit!

I always reckoned the hucksters promoting this stuff know it's garbage, but you
never know.

Graham
Don Lancaster
Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 11:18 am
Guest
Eeyore wrote:

Quote:

For years now, this kind of mumbo-jumbo 'science' that resorts to made-up
scientific sounding words and the like has been evident in the hi-fi market with
ridiculous claims being made for the like of 'magic' power cables and 'cable
burn-in' devices. The Shakti Stone
http://www.shakti-innovations.com/audiovideo.htm
that claims to improve your sound by placing a 'rock' on your cables is even
more bizarre as is the Tice Clock
http://www.elecdesign.com/Articles/Index.cfm?AD=1&ArticleID=6134
that claims to improve the sound by plugging a digital clock into the same
circuit as your audio kit!

I always reckoned the hucksters promoting this stuff know it's garbage, but you
never know.

Graham



But using four point barbed wire instead of two point for premium audio
speaker connections offers clear and unquestionable advantages.

See http://www.tinaja.com/glib/marcia.pdf for an analysis.



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Many thanks,

Don Lancaster voice phone: (928)428-4073
Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552
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Please visit my GURU's LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com
User
Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:23 pm
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:19:43 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

Quote:


User wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:

Meyer's circuit works.

You are completely detached from reality.

That's *exactly* (i.e. verbatim) how Judge Corzine described Stanley
Meyer after the trial.

Meyer and his "expert witnesses" seemed to be operating in their own
universe with their own rules. They turned the whole trial into a
circus. And Meyer was genuinely flabbergasted in the deposition when
the cell failed to operate the way he claimed it would.

You mean he actually believed the nonsense he claimed ?

I think Meyer really did believe a lot of what he claimed. He was the
penultimate pseudoscientist, and operated so far outside of the bounds
of normal science he even fooled himself.

Quote:
For years now, this kind of mumbo-jumbo 'science' that resorts to made-up
scientific sounding words and the like has been evident in the hi-fi market with
ridiculous claims being made for the like of 'magic' power cables and 'cable
burn-in' devices. The Shakti Stone
http://www.shakti-innovations.com/audiovideo.htm
that claims to improve your sound by placing a 'rock' on your cables is even
more bizarre as is the Tice Clock
http://www.elecdesign.com/Articles/Index.cfm?AD=1&ArticleID=6134
that claims to improve the sound by plugging a digital clock into the same
circuit as your audio kit!

My favorite audiophile quack site:

http://www.machinadynamica.com

Quote:
I always reckoned the hucksters promoting this stuff know it's garbage, but you
never know.

Machinadynamica is special. It's so far over the top that the people
writing the prose just have to know it's garbage. And I don't know
whether the verdict is farce, hoax, or scam.
Guest
Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:06 pm
On Sep 10, 4:23 pm, Terryc <newsthreespam-s...@woa.com.au> wrote:
Quote:
knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
They reserve
all this for themselves as they build their cities 5 miles under
ground in Balarat

Where is this "Balarat"?


Austailia.
I might have spelled it wrong.
Ballarat...2 ll's.
http://www.ballarat.vic.gov.au/

This where Royal Dutch Shell has it's undergroung lab and facility/
city.
Guest
Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:11 pm
On Sep 11, 5:19 am, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Quote:
User wrote:
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com> wrote:
knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:

Meyer's circuit works.

You are completely detached from reality.

That's *exactly* (i.e. verbatim) how Judge Corzine described Stanley
Meyer after the trial.

Meyer and his "expert witnesses" seemed to be operating in their own
universe with their own rules. They turned the whole trial into a
circus. And Meyer was genuinely flabbergasted in the deposition when
the cell failed to operate the way he claimed it would.

You mean he actually believed the nonsense he claimed ?

As did the patent examiners from the PTO.

Stan Meyer, did, in fact, under 35 USC 101 demonstrate to the PTO
that his technology works.

Ever read this?

35 U.S.C. 114 Models, specimens.

"The Commissioner may require the applicant to furnish a model of
convenient size to exhibit advantageously the several parts of his
invention. When the invention relates to a composition of matter, the
Commissioner may require the applicant to furnish specimens or
ingredients for the purpose of inspection or experiment."

Or in Meyer's case "Decomposition" of matter/water.
User
Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:37 pm
Guest
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:11:19 -0700, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:

Quote:
On Sep 11, 5:19 am, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com
wrote:

You mean he actually believed the nonsense he claimed ?

As did the patent examiners from the PTO.
Stan Meyer, did, in fact, under 35 USC 101 demonstrate to the PTO
that his technology works.

Meyer never demonstrated his device to the patent office. He never
made any extraordinary claims in his invention disclosures (e.g. it
violates conservation of energy), so the PTO never invoked 35 USC 101.

The only time Meyer's device was examined by someone with a clue who
was permitted to do more than just watch, it was found to be doing
nothing more than conventional electrolysis.
Tim Ward
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 12:00 am
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"Bill Ward" <bward@REMOVETHISix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:38:15 +0000, User wrote:

On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 21:12:44 -0700, knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:

If Meyer's Brother get's anywhere near the success of Stan in a business
start up make "Decomposition Cells" he will likely die in a parking lot,
or plane crash or some other such as he is smeared by you and likes of
the Oil Barons and Banksters who have little interest in "free energy"
technologies making it in to public use. They reserve all this for
themselves as they build their cities 5 miles under ground in Balarat
and
other places that will be safe from the havoc that is being perpetuated
above killing off the "useless eaters" while they line their pockets
with
the profits of death and destruction.

Have you ever thought about writing sci fi?

JW doesn't have to think. It just comes out automatically.


His trying would probably be counterproductive.

A centipede was happy, quite, until a frog in fun
Said "Pray, which leg comes after which?"
This raised his mind to such a pitch
He lay distracted in a ditch
Considering how to run.

Tim Ward
Tim Ward
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 12:02 am
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"User" <user@email.address.here> wrote in message
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Quote:
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 09:23:10 +1000, Terryc
newsthreespam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote:

knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
They reserve
all this for themselves as they build their cities 5 miles under
ground in Balarat

Where is this "Balarat"?
snippage
The masses on the surface
choke on particulates and fight over the oil they can extract from
discarded hair combs while surviving on Soylent chartreuse
manufactured from dachshund puppies.



This Soylent chartreuse sounds like quite a long tail.

Tim Ward
Fred Kasner
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 7:14 pm
Guest
knews4u2chew@yahoo.com wrote:
Quote:
On Sep 8, 11:44 pm, Bill Ward <bw...@REMOVETHISix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 20:41:41 -0700, knews4u2chew wrote:
On Sep 8, 5:31 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com> wrote:
hhc...@yahoo.com wrote:
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com> wrote:
User wrote:
It looks like Stanley Meyer's brother Stephen has been working on
promoting the lore of the water fuel cell,
Bwahahahahaha !
complete with half-billion
dollar buyout offers from the Arabs and the oil companies,
Oh right ! Really ?
Bigger Bwahahahahahaa !
Belgian investers wanting to fund a research laboratory, and
Meyer's murder via poisoning.
Fall over laughing Bwaahahhahahaha !
Belgians are better educated than that. I'm not falling for it.
Graham
Heck Graham, that Meyer Scam worked reasonably well on suckers once
before, so I can see why the Stan's brother is giving it a second try.
I think's it funny that both of the Meyer brothers have major foreign
investors always available to build them research facilities and
invest in their ridiculous scam...which only shows how terminally
stupid are the targeted marks of this fraud scheme are assumed to be.
I have considerable doubts that any 'investor' could be that stupid a
second time round.
Graham- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Maybe they did the experiment?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.energy.hydrogen/msg/b5ed1ee32b936c...
begin post
AT FIRST:
You must know the difference between a chemical reaction and a nuclear
reaction. A lot of people don't understand that but they like to argue a
lot in every NG on Internet. In a chemical reaction you need a lot of
current and some salt for making the water conductive.
In a nuclear reaction you don't need any current at all, only high
voltage. How much current you need in a real application depends on how
clean your water is. As cleaner as better. Stanley Meyers method's have
NOTHING to do with chemical reactions.
HOW TO?
As a guide, you need US Patent 4,936,961 ref. figure 1 to 3F. If you read
something about magical frequencyis, forget that. It works fine with 10KHz
or something else if you preferred. Use 50% duty cycle. BUT! the frequency
will be doubled in the step up circuit and that's the frequency the
Water-Cell will work with. The components must resist at least 2000V. The
Water-Cell is very simple. Take a lot of stainless steel tubes with the
inner diameter of the bigger tube 3mm bigger than the outer diameter of
the inner tube. From now you must look at this Water-Cell as a capacitor
with water as dilectricum. The Water-Cell and the INDUCTOR will resonate
at a specific frequency. It's a normal RC-circuit.
Now the most important: The Water-Cell/Inductor frequency and the doubled
frequency from the generator must be exactly the same. A special condition
exists in a L/C Circuit, when it is energized at a frequency at which the
inductive reactance is equal to the capacitive reactance, XL = XC. Adjust
the voltage peak level to reach a maximum hydrogen/oxygen producing with a
minimum of current using. If you earlier make hydrogen with the
electrolysis method with a lot of current, this experiment will really
surprise you. For even less current you can make some experiment with a
centertapped puls-transformer.
Have a nice trip to Ohio!
Ted!
end experimenters post
Maybe they spent the last 10 years experimenting and now talk to the other
person who knew the technology. I know for a FACT that Meyer's brother
wouldn't touch a circuit for less than $1,000,000. That's a MILLION
dollars just to start, when I spoke to him years ago.
See you fools haven't the fricken foggiest idea of to whom you speak.
He is a successful business man and doesn't need the head aches.
So how much are you in for this time?-

I don't need to get "in" on anything Mr. Ward.
You however have been shown here to be a proven liar as well as having
no underrstanding of even a BASIC Meyer Circuit. You choose to ignore
half of it to prove you lie of it doing electrolysis.
If Meyer's Brother get's anywhere near the success of Stan in a
business start up make "Decomposition Cells" he will likely die in a
parking lot, or plane crash or some other such as he is smeared by you
and likes of the Oil Barons and Banksters who have little interest in
"free energy" technologies making it in to public use. They reserve
all this for themselves as they build their cities 5 miles under
ground in Balarat and other places that will be safe from the havoc
that is being perpetuated above killing off the "useless eaters" while
they line their pockets with the profits of death and destruction.



Aside from the repetitious spurious claims, this post is enormously
useful in proving that you are truly JW, the Junior Dummy. How? The
literary style which is a duplicate of the posts you made years ago
under the initials of JW. All you do is make yourself look utterly the
fool by insisting that you are not JW. In addition the failure to
identify yourself with a real honest name as given to you by your
parents. Note that all those quarreling with you are fully identified by
name and in many cases are even identiable as to area of residence. But
you, the utter fool, keeps insisting you are not JW and only under that
name did you indicate something to the extent of the area of your
residence. Such cowardly behavior is indicative of a total dummy, Junior
or otherwise. Why don't you go away and bother some other news group
rather than continue to make a fool of yourself here.
FK
 
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