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| SQ |
 Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 6:43 am |
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I have a 60CSx with a 2GB card with MapSource 2008 Topo.
I noticed that you can load only 2025 maps at one time.
That seems to be a limit imposed by MapSource topo 2008.
I can load the entire east coast, up to say Kentucky, about 2,000
maps which take 940MB. That works fine. That should be only
about 50% of my card's capacity.
Now when I go to load another 2000 maps or another 1 GB (say midwest
to Colorado), it overrides what I just downloaded, and when I look at
the maps on the device, I no longer have the east coast.
It writes them on top of the previously downloaded devices.
So it seems my restriction is not 2GB but 2025 maps, which work
out too less than 1GB.
Please help, how can I download the entire 2GB of maps?
Is this a firmware issue? |
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| Dale DePriest |
| Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:49 am |
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It is generally true that all downloads overwrite previous downloads
regardless of the size. Collect all your maps in one set and download
them all at once.
Dale
SQ wrote:
[quote:ec0799c578]I have a 60CSx with a 2GB card with MapSource 2008 Topo.
I noticed that you can load only 2025 maps at one time.
That seems to be a limit imposed by MapSource topo 2008.
I can load the entire east coast, up to say Kentucky, about 2,000
maps which take 940MB. That works fine. That should be only
about 50% of my card's capacity.
Now when I go to load another 2000 maps or another 1 GB (say midwest
to Colorado), it overrides what I just downloaded, and when I look at
the maps on the device, I no longer have the east coast.
It writes them on top of the previously downloaded devices.
So it seems my restriction is not 2GB but 2025 maps, which work
out too less than 1GB.
Please help, how can I download the entire 2GB of maps?
Is this a firmware issue?
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| Jim Prescott |
| Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:56 am |
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In article <1186659825.574175.14250@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
SQ <onestatusquo@yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote:3f44ded29e]I have a 60CSx with a 2GB card with MapSource 2008 Topo.
I noticed that you can load only 2025 maps at one time.
That seems to be a limit imposed by MapSource topo 2008.
[/quote:3f44ded29e]
The limit is in the firmware. The firmware notes for v2.60 include
- Increase loadable maps to 2025
I don't see anything in the newer releases to indicate it has gone
up further. The current release is v3.50 August 2, 2007.
http://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=1245
[quote:3f44ded29e]Now when I go to load another 2000 maps or another 1 GB (say midwest
to Colorado), it overrides what I just downloaded, and when I look at
the maps on the device, I no longer have the east coast.
It writes them on top of the previously downloaded devices.
[/quote:3f44ded29e]
Yes, that is how mapsource works. You cannot append maps to the unit.
You need to specify everything and download it as one big lump.
[quote:3f44ded29e]So it seems my restriction is not 2GB but 2025 maps, which work
out too less than 1GB.
[/quote:3f44ded29e]
Just think of all the tracklogs you'll be able to keep 
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| Ted Edwards |
| Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 6:25 pm |
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SQ wrote:
[quote:a41f8db325]I have a 60CSx with a 2GB card with MapSource 2008 Topo.
I noticed that you can load only 2025 maps at one time.
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Is this a firmware issue?
[/quote:a41f8db325]
Yes. Also in the 76Cx and it take hours to download them.
Ted |
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| Jack Erbes |
| Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 7:40 am |
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Ted Edwards wrote:
[quote:0de26cd041]SQ wrote:
I have a 60CSx with a 2GB card with MapSource 2008 Topo.
I noticed that you can load only 2025 maps at one time.
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Is this a firmware issue?
Yes. Also in the 76Cx and it take hours to download them.
[/quote:0de26cd041]
I think the best map upload speed (it may be only a little faster,
depending on your USB version and your system) is obtained by putting
the microSD card in a USB or built into your PC card reader (in the SD
adapter if appropriate) and choosing the microSD card as the destination
from the Transfer menu.
For maps that need an unlock code, also connect the GPS receiver to the
PC via a USB port so MapSource will use the correct unlock code.
Jack
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| Ted Edwards |
| Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 7:36 pm |
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Jack Erbes wrote:
[quote:a4cd5364d8]Ted Edwards wrote:
SQ wrote:
I have a 60CSx with a 2GB card with MapSource 2008 Topo.
I noticed that you can load only 2025 maps at one time.
Is this a firmware issue?
Yes. Also in the 76Cx and it take hours to download them.
I think the best map upload speed (it may be only a little faster,
depending on your USB version and your system) is obtained by putting
the microSD card in a USB or built into your PC card reader (in the SD
adapter if appropriate) and choosing the microSD card as the destination
from the Transfer menu.
For maps that need an unlock code, also connect the GPS receiver to the
PC via a USB port so MapSource will use the correct unlock code.
[/quote:a4cd5364d8]
Thanks for your reply. Let me check that I have this straight:
Start MapSource
Connect GPSR (a Garmin 76Cx) to a USB port (I have three USB 2 ports on
this machine)
Connect card reader writer to another USB port
Select the card reader writer with card from MapSource (I presume
MapSource will allow this)
Download maps from MapSource to the card.
Ted |
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| Jack Erbes |
| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:29 am |
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Ted Edwards wrote:
<snip>
[quote:a8e319985d]Thanks for your reply. Let me check that I have this straight:
Start MapSource
Connect GPSR (a Garmin 76Cx) to a USB port (I have three USB 2 ports
on this machine)
Connect card reader writer to another USB port
Select the card reader writer with card from MapSource (I presume
MapSource will allow this)
Download maps from MapSource to the card.
[/quote:a8e319985d]
That is exactly what I do. I think the time saved is that having the
card in the GPS slows the throughput down a little bit. I suppose the
processor in the GPS is processing or something.
When I do it MapSource always lists all the removable drives (i.e, cards
in readers) and the GPS receiver as potential destinations.
MapSource also starts M$'s ActiveSynch software and offers up the user
accounts there as potential destinations for a transfer also. That is
an annoyance of sorts because I never want to send maps to a PDA but I
suppose it has something to do with the iQUE family of GPS receivers.
Jack
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| Ted Edwards |
| Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:37 pm |
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Jack Erbes wrote:
[quote:97c45b0dfb]Ted Edwards wrote:
snip
Thanks for your reply. Let me check that I have this straight:
Start MapSource
Connect GPSR (a Garmin 76Cx) to a USB port (I have three USB 2
ports on this machine)
Connect card reader writer to another USB port
Select the card reader writer with card from MapSource (I presume
MapSource will allow this)
Download maps from MapSource to the card.
That is exactly what I do. I think the time saved is that having the
card in the GPS slows the throughput down a little bit. I suppose the
processor in the GPS is processing or something.
When I do it MapSource always lists all the removable drives (i.e, cards
in readers) and the GPS receiver as potential destinations.
MapSource also starts M$'s ActiveSynch software and offers up the user
accounts there as potential destinations for a transfer also. That is
an annoyance of sorts because I never want to send maps to a PDA but I
suppose it has something to do with the iQUE family of GPS receivers.
[/quote:97c45b0dfb]
I use eCS (OS/2) for most of my computing and Windoze for only a few
things such as MapSource so I simply disconnect from the network when
running anything other than Google Earth.
BTW, downloading the card from eCS, I see a root directory containing
all the daily track logs and a GARMIN subdirectory containing one file,
GMAPSUPP.IMG. Interestingly, this file is 1527.2MB compared to
MapSource's claim that my 1783 maps take up 1542.2MB of my 2GB card. I
suspect that the IMG file on the card is all the maps glued together and
that is what takes up most of the time.
Ted |
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| Jack Erbes |
| Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 7:18 am |
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Ted Edwards wrote:
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[quote:0ae8b6b086]I use eCS (OS/2) for most of my computing and Windoze for only a few
things such as MapSource so I simply disconnect from the network when
running anything other than Google Earth.
BTW, downloading the card from eCS, I see a root directory containing
all the daily track logs and a GARMIN subdirectory containing one file,
GMAPSUPP.IMG. Interestingly, this file is 1527.2MB compared to
MapSource's claim that my 1783 maps take up 1542.2MB of my 2GB card. I
suspect that the IMG file on the card is all the maps glued together and
that is what takes up most of the time.
[/quote:0ae8b6b086]
eCS and OS/2? Almost time to move up to Windows ME, no? Just joking of
course, I'm stuck at Windows 2000 Pro for now, not sure when or if I'll
get much beyond that.
The gmappsupp.img file is the compiled (if that is the right word for
the process) supplemental map image file that is created and uploaded by
MapSource as part of the process of adding supplemental maps to a
Garmin. That folder and filename is the default for all Garmins and, as
far as I know, it is the only location and name that the Garmin software
will use.
The newer units with preloaded mapping will have their mapping in
another file with a similar (but different) *.img name and it is on the
root if I remember right.
If they contain mapping that requires an unlock code, the gmapsupp.img
files will only work on the GPS receiver with the correct Unit I.D.
The gmapsupp.img files can be copied off of the GPS and saved for later
use. Doing that is generally faster than recreating the file again. If
you want to put multiple gmapsupp.img files on a memory card you can do
that by changing their names to avoid a conflict. Using another device
(like a PDA) that allows naming and re-naming files will let you manage
the use of multiple files. You'll be able to change one name to
gmapsupp.img and that is the file you will be able to see and use.
The reason someone might want to have multiple files is that the
software in the GPS receivers will not recognize more than 2025 map
segments (maps as selected in MapSource). That is the limiting factor
on the amount of mapping that can be contained in one gmapsupp.img file.
U.S. Topo has 6,000-odd segments in it, that is generally the only
Garmin mapping product that will cause you to run into the 2025 limit.
If you are trying to make gmapsupp.img files with maps from multiple
products and with a large number of map segments, you are more likely to
exceed the 2025 maps limit before you run out of room on a microSD card.
For the handhelds, microSD cards more than 2GB in size are of limited
usefulness. You can put a lot of stuff on them but the 2025 maps limit
will usually rear its head before the card is near full.
The nuvis and other models that are also mp3 file players can store
large numbers of mp3 files and will make more use of cards above 2 GB in
size. The more mp3 files you have on those the slower they are at
startup because they have to read the card and build a catalog of the
mp3 files at each startup.
Jack
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| Ted Edwards |
| Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 3:02 pm |
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Jack Erbes wrote:
[quote:f52a2da1f3]eCS and OS/2? Almost time to move up to Windows ME, no? Just joking of
course, I'm stuck at Windows 2000 Pro for now, not sure when or if I'll
get much beyond that.
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This machine, a ThinkPad T60, came with XP. My T23, with W2000 pro, By
and large I prefer W2K over XP and fail to see any advantage to XP for
my few uses of Windoze - MapSource, nRoute and Google Earth. Everything
else I use runs better and faster under eCS and with no need to defrag ever.
FYI, eCS is the successor to OS/2. When IBM quit supporting OS/2, a
European outfit took it over and continues development under the name
eCS. I have read about people having to periodically re-install
Windows. I have done only four installs of OS/2-eCS in 10 years of use.
Once when I first got OS/2 Warp4 in '97, once when I got a new
machine, once when I went to eCS from OS/2 and twice when I got new
machines. Only once in that ten years have I crashed the system so
badly (through a combination of a very bad piece of software and me
doing something stupid) that it appeared a re-install would be
necessary. However formatting the boot drive and unzipping my most
recent backup to it had me back up in only a few minutes and with no
loss of software or data.
[quote:f52a2da1f3]The gmappsupp.img file is the compiled (if that is the right word for
the process) supplemental map image file that is created and uploaded by
MapSource as part of the process of adding supplemental maps to a
Garmin. That folder and filename is the default for all Garmins and, as
far as I know, it is the only location and name that the Garmin software
will use.
[/quote:f52a2da1f3]
Interesting. My previous unit was a GPS-V which had only 19MB available
for maps. I moved to the 76Cx for the SIRF chip, the colour screen and
the ability to use very much expanded memory.
[quote:f52a2da1f3]The gmapsupp.img files can be copied off of the GPS and saved for later
use. Doing that is generally faster than recreating the file again. If
you want to put multiple gmapsupp.img files on a memory card you can do
that by changing their names to avoid a conflict. Using another device
(like a PDA) that allows naming and re-naming files will let you manage
the use of multiple files. You'll be able to change one name to
gmapsupp.img and that is the file you will be able to see and use.
[/quote:f52a2da1f3]
This sounds like a good idea.
[quote:f52a2da1f3]The reason someone might want to have multiple files is that the
software in the GPS receivers will not recognize more than 2025 map
segments (maps as selected in MapSource). That is the limiting factor
on the amount of mapping that can be contained in one gmapsupp.img file.
[/quote:f52a2da1f3]
So I learned although I couldn't find it in the manual.
[quote:f52a2da1f3]U.S. Topo has 6,000-odd segments in it, that is generally the only
Garmin mapping product that will cause you to run into the 2025 limit.
[/quote:f52a2da1f3]
Topo Canada has 7,317 segments in it so we both have that problem. 
I also have City Select NA v.7 (which came with my GPS-V and, so far,
has been adequate to my needs). Not surprisingly, I have noticed that
things like Find run much faster if fewer maps are loaded. With 1GB
cards slightly less than half the price of 2GB cards, it might make
sense to have several each loaded with two or three smaller sets.
Something to think about.
[quote:f52a2da1f3]If you are trying to make gmapsupp.img files with maps from multiple
products and with a large number of map segments, you are more likely to
exceed the 2025 maps limit before you run out of room on a microSD card.
[/quote:f52a2da1f3]
So I fouund.
[quote:f52a2da1f3]For the handhelds, microSD cards more than 2GB in size are of limited
usefulness. You can put a lot of stuff on them but the 2025 maps limit
will usually rear its head before the card is near full.
[/quote:f52a2da1f3]
The card appears to be formated FAT16 which, IIRC, is limited to 2GB.
Do you know if Garmin's units will accept FAT32?
[quote:f52a2da1f3]The nuvis and other models that are also mp3 file players can store
large numbers of mp3 files and will make more use of cards above 2 GB in
size. The more mp3 files you have on those the slower they are at
startup because they have to read the card and build a catalog of the
mp3 files at each startup.
[/quote:f52a2da1f3]
Personally, I would prefer to use a laptop for multifunction and have a
GPS that does a good job of GPS-ing.
Ted |
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| Jack Erbes |
| Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 6:59 am |
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Ted Edwards wrote:
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[quote:ec05445c6a]FYI, eCS is the successor to OS/2. When IBM quit supporting OS/2...
snip[/quote:ec05445c6a]
Thanks for the history Ted, I knew little about it. Clear evidence that
the better operating will not always prevail on the market.
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[quote:ec05445c6a]The card appears to be formated FAT16 which, IIRC, is limited to 2GB. Do
you know if Garmin's units will accept FAT32?
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I'm told that they will and also some of the cards come formatted to
FAT32 now. Originally, the cards (CF, Sony Stick, and SD back then)
were FAT16 and re-formatting to FAT32 would occasionally cause some
problems (memory recognition and read and write errors in use) with some
cameras and, less frequently, in GPS receivers. That seems to be behind
us for now. Most of us are using NTFS for Windows (and Vista too?) but
that will not work.
<snip>
[quote:ec05445c6a]Personally, I would prefer to use a laptop for multifunction and have a
GPS that does a good job of GPS-ing.
[/quote:ec05445c6a]
Amen!
Jack
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| Ted Edwards |
| Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 3:28 pm |
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Jack Erbes wrote:
[quote:5c41c52543]Thanks for the history Ted, I knew little about it. Clear evidence that
the better operating will not always prevail on the market.
[/quote:5c41c52543]
Sort of like Beta vs. VHS.
[quote:5c41c52543]I'm told that they will and also some of the cards come formatted to
FAT32 now.
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Thanks. A little experimenting is in order. DFSee is the tools of
choice for this.
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