On Jun 21, 12:23 am, "JOHN" <j...@btinternet.com> wrote:
"Jeff" <kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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Conveniently, smallpox is not longer a threat. Vaccination wiped it
out.

And we are living in the 21st century, not the 19th.

As the Dr said, vaccination killed millions in the 19cent, now the
allopaths
are the leading cause of death, 780,000 USA every year plus 400,000 from
cancer and aids meds

[1921] There are no adequate statistics showing these fatalities, but it
may
be estimated that in England and Wales no fewer than 6,000 Infants are
Killed every Year by Vaccination. This is perhaps the least part of
the
damage. The Great Damage is that caused to Teeth, Eyesight and
Constitution,
by the illness of vaccinia forced upon the infant at the most critical
and
delicate period of its life. [1921] Vaccination and the State By Arnold
Lupton MP.

[1880] That since Vaccination has been rendered obligatory, infantile
syphilis (under one year old) has been increased in England, according to
a
Parliamentary return, dated February 25th, 1880, from 472 per million of
births in 1847, to 1,736 per million in 1877, or fourfold; and that other
inoculable diseases, such as pyaemia, scrofula, erysipelas, and
bronchitis,
were also augmented in infants. In England, the increase of inoculable
diseases was 20 per cent., notwithstanding an expenditure of 200 millions
sterling since 1850 in sanitary works. Another Parliamentary return (No.
443, Session 1877) demonstrates that 25,000 babies are yearly sacrificed
by
diseases excited by Vaccination. International Anti-Vaccination League
points against vaccination 1880
http://www.whale.to/a/deathssmallpox.html

Actually, you should delve into some more research than you have
already done. There are 27,000 babies a year that die in this country
alone from vaccines. There was a 13 year study in Japan where they
waited until the baby was 2 years old before they gave the shots. In
that 13 years, their death rate went away. I am glad to see that
there are other people out there who are fighting for children. You
keep up the good work and don't let anyone sidetrack you into
believing otherwise. Let's face it, the shots did their job, now it's
time to lay them off and let babies live. God bless

"Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
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Actually, you should delve into some more research than you have
already done. There are 27,000 babies a year that die in this country
alone from vaccines.
Got proof?


This group now seems dominated by anti-vaccine crazies.

On Jun 24, 11:57 am, wri...@l1000.prodigy.net (David Wright) wrote:
In article <Tbtfi.348$Od7....@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,

george conklin <geo...@nxu.edu> wrote:

"David Wright" <wri...@l1000.prodigy.net> wrote in message
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In article <nnPei.69$nD1...@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
George Conklin <georgeconkl...@earthlink.net> wrote:

I am not into quacks as you are. Smallpox caught naturally was
generally
fatal and if you survived you were seriously maimed.

"Generally" fatal is too strong. According to CDC, the mortality rate
is 30% or more. See:

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001356.htm

However, historically we know that some populations were more
susceptible than others, which is why smallpox did such a hideously
efficient job of killing, say, the indigenous peoples of the
Americas, for example.

That 30% has not been historically proven. The historians, based on
records of populations which were not exposed to smallpox from birth, put
the rate at closer to 80%. That is why so many ex-slaves joining the
British during the revolutionary war did not survive to fight. The colonies
were not heavily infested with smallpox. The British army officers put in
charge of the units were.

Well, that was partly my point -- Europeans, with a history of
smallpox, presumably had some genetic resistance to it. People from
other parts of the world, with no such history, were more vulnerable.

In any event, I think the key fact today is that smallpox might not be
"generally" fatal.

Wronger than right.

The Europeans had a history of resistance to
smallpox called bathing.

The Romans were clean people with numerous
baths, running water and sewers.

With the decline of the Roman Empire and the rise of the Catholic
Popes, bathing became a sin, the running water no longer ran, and the
streets were used as sewers. As a result, the smallpox which had
always been rampant in Asia and Africa, became prevalent in Europe.
Even Nostradamus knew this. His efforts to stop the plagues was
merely to clean up the people and the cities. By restoring
sanitation, the plagues like the black plague and smallpox ceased.

If you read my blog, you will see that there are many things that are
not safe.

As you know the vaccinations did their job by stopping alot
of deseases and those deseases are nearly void.

It's time to let the
children gain their own immunity before injecting them with live
virus'.

As well, not many people know that the pharmasutical
company's preservative of choice is mercury. People don't understand
that they are letting their children have injections of something that
we have been told that can kill us.

Babies are small and can't handle
the 36 shots that they have to receive.

And they cover it up by
calling it "sudden infant death syndrome".

You need to do your own research on the matter.

This is mine and several other's opinions.

On Jun 21, 7:21 am, Jeff <kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Roman Bystrianyk wrote:
On Jun 20, 8:58 am, Jeff <kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Conveniently, smallpox is not longer a threat. Vaccination wiped it out.

And we are living in the 21st century, not the 19th.

Jeff

http://www.healthsentinel.com/graphs.php?id=33&event=graphs_print_lis...

This graph shows the mortality rate from smallpox and scarlet fever
from 1838 to 1922. Several things are of interest in this graph.
First, despite the fact that the smallpox vaccine was introduced in
1798 and very strict vaccination laws were enacted in England,
smallpox epidemics still raged on until the 1880s when all diseases
began their decline.

Wrong, when diseases became less fatal because of better medical care.
Whether you know it or not, infectious disease is still common in the
third world. Well, except for small pox.

Second, there is a very similar pattern of
epidemics with scarlet fever and smallpox, which suggests a possible
relationship between the two diseases.

Not anymore. Scarlet fever still occurs, even in the US (there is no
vaccine against it). Small pox, however, is a thing of the past.

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well, if it is so ramped in the third world countries, then they
should just stay where they are instead of bringing it here......and
yes, there was a vaccine for scarlet fever..

....and if small pox is a
thing of the past then why do they inject babies with the vaccine?
Stupid, that's all it is..

...population control and
brainwashing......watch television and see how many commercials ask
you if you cant sleep........or have a hard time with other
things....the first thing they tell you to do is ask your doctor for a
certain medication. why? do you think that everyone that has had one
bad night of sleep has sleeping problems....hell no.....they just want
you to get that prescription so that your insurance company will pay
for it and make them more money....

"Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
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Actually, you should delve into some more research than you have
already done. There are 27,000 babies a year that die in this country
alone from vaccines.

Got proof?

This group now seems dominated by anti-vaccine crazies.

In article <1182783354.480739.252320@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
drceephd@insightbb.com> wrote:
.....
The Europeans had a history of resistance to
smallpox called bathing.

Guess again. You're confusing plague and smallpox. Why does this not
surprise me?

The Romans were clean people with numerous
baths, running water and sewers.

And epidemics of smallpox, quite probably, such as the Antonine Plague
and the Plague of Cyprian.

With the decline of the Roman Empire and the rise of the Catholic
Popes, bathing became a sin, the running water no longer ran, and the
streets were used as sewers. As a result, the smallpox which had
always been rampant in Asia and Africa, became prevalent in Europe.
Even Nostradamus knew this. His efforts to stop the plagues was
merely to clean up the people and the cities. By restoring
sanitation, the plagues like the black plague and smallpox ceased.

They never ceased until recent times. Again, sanitation is effective
against plague, but not smallpox.

By the way, since according to you, disease is not caused by germs
anyway, what difference does it make whether people bathe or not?

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"Only George Bush could start a war for oil and not get any."
-- Bill Maher

This group now seems dominated by anti-vaccine crazies.

Bathing stopped many problems, but smallpox was not that easily stopped.
Swamps needed to be drained for public health, and in the USA that
happened when farmers wanted bottom lands. Cheap cotton cloth helped a
lot too. The list goes on. But smallpox was stopped only by vaccination.

"george conklin" <george@nxu.edu> wrote in message
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This group now seems dominated by anti-vaccine crazies.


the best argument you vax quacks can muster--ad hominem

"george conklin" <george@nxu.edu> wrote in message
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Bathing stopped many problems, but smallpox was not that easily stopped.
Swamps needed to be drained for public health, and in the USA that
happened when farmers wanted bottom lands. Cheap cotton cloth helped a
lot too. The list goes on. But smallpox was stopped only by vaccination.


You can't beat an allopath for ignorance

"george conklin" <george@nxu.edu> wrote in message
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Bathing stopped many problems, but smallpox was not that easily stopped.
Swamps needed to be drained for public health, and in the USA that
happened when farmers wanted bottom lands. Cheap cotton cloth helped a
lot too. The list goes on. But smallpox was stopped only by vaccination.


You can't beat an allopath for ignorance

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:fw9ei.1547$5h6.1468@trnddc05...
Conveniently, smallpox is not longer a threat. Vaccination wiped it out.

And we are living in the 21st century, not the 19th.


As the Dr said, vaccination killed millions in the 19cent, now the allopaths
are the leading cause of death, 780,000 USA every year plus 400,000 from
cancer and aids meds

[1921] There are no adequate statistics showing these fatalities, but it may
be estimated that in England and Wales no fewer than 6,000 Infants are
Killed every Year by Vaccination.

This is perhaps the least part of the
damage. The Great Damage is that caused to Teeth, Eyesight and Constitution,
by the illness of vaccinia forced upon the infant at the most critical and
delicate period of its life. [1921] Vaccination and the State By Arnold
Lupton MP.

[1880] That since Vaccination has been rendered obligatory, infantile
syphilis (under one year old) has been increased in England, according to a
Parliamentary return, dated February 25th, 1880, from 472 per million of
births in 1847, to 1,736 per million in 1877, or fourfold;

"George Conklin" <georgeconklin1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Actually those who had variolation DID progress to the disease, but it was
attenuated because they tried to use third generation of infections. 1%
death rate was expected, but better than about 80% if you got it
naturally.
Have you ever seen a survivor of small pox? I have. It is not a pretty
sight. It looks like your face and boy have been hammered with a ball
peen
hammer.

death rate was 18% usually, although under proper care it was 1-2% as
Sydenham pointed out in the 17 century, and doctors like Trall and Tilden in
the 19th, early 20th who never lost a single case of smallpox