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 Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:16 am |
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On Jun 18, 6:33 am, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com>
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Quote: Willie.Moo...@gmail.com wrote:
For me to say i made no oil at all when I have done all the things
described above would be to leave someone with the wrong impression
wouldn't it?
The impression I get is that you're a con artist who has actually produced NO
cheap synthetic oil and NO cheap solar power.
Graham
As per usual for you Graham, reality is a little more complicated than
you can deal with! haha..
I have never said I am now producing cheap solar power. Nor have I
said am I producing cheap synthetic oil. I have said I am on my way
to doing both those things. I even told you in intimate detail how it
all works for me and where I am and where I am going right now. Even
relating details of my production schedule over the next 18 months.
You just have a need to tear people down, that's all you've got going
on. You must be a sad and lonely and disgruntled person. I feel
sorry for you.
Look, I sell 243 million barrels of crude oil for $6.3 billion - to be
delivered starting 60 months from now - from the facility I am
building with the $6.3 billion paid in - what is the appropriate
answer to the question, have you sold any oil?
The appropriate answer isn't NONE. haha.. that would be as
misleading as saying I got the oil in my back pocket! want some?
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:23 am |
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On Jun 18, 6:28 am, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com>
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Quote: Willie.Moo...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jun 17, 4:30 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com
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Willie.Moo...@gmail.com wrote:
Bill Ward <b...@REMOVETHISix.netcom.com> wrote:
How many barrels of synthetic oil have you actually produced and sold
with that equipment?
I guess you could say I've sold on forward contracts nearly half a
billion barrels of fuels over a 20 year period. This represents about
1/10th percent of all the liquid fuels that will be sold worldwide
over that same period.
You're just making it up aren't you ?
Graham
No.
I don't believe you've supplied any such fuel. You're simply hypothesising.
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A forward contract Graham is a promise to deliver fuel in the future
from a specific source. The buyers of these contrracts understand the
risks and the means and so forth - and they agreed to accept those
risks. Offering someone risky proposition for the purposes of making
large profits is not illegal or immoral as long as you fully explain
all the risks and so forth and the people risking the money can afford
to lose it and understand in detail what's going on.
I've never told anyone I'm producing oil today. I've never told
anyone I've made anything more than laboratory prototypes. But I have
gotten a group of high quality qualified vendors to agree to provide
firm contracts for full scale facilities at agreed upon pricing. I
have gotten coal companies to provide coal and land and access to
build and operate these full scale facilities on. And I have gotten
investors to agree to take a portion of the output of those facilities
in exchange for providing the costs of construction. And I'm using
those proceeds to take my technology forward.
What I'm doing is really rather simple. I'm concentrating sunlight to
reduce the costs of PV panels. I'm using low-cost PV panels to make
low cost hydrogen from water. I'm using low cost hydrogen to
hydrogenate coal directly into liquid fuels. I'm selling the future
production of liquid fuels to fund construction of the PV panels and
the coal conversion facility at a site where coal and land exist in
quantities to support it.
Your 'objections' are baseless and foolish and serve no useful
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:26 am |
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On Jun 18, 6:39 am, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com>
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Quote: Willie.Moo...@gmail.com wrote:
Fact is, I signed up two coal companies in Indonesia and then two
investment houses who specialize in oil development and exploration.
One in Jakarta and one in Abu Dhabi, and it made national news all
over Asia and the middle east. We'll increase oil output of Indonesia
from its present 1.1 million bbls per day to 1.5 million bbls/day.
With hydrogen I can also take the Natuna gas fields, which are
unproducible because of carbon dioxide,and make methanol really
cheaply, which fits well with my 'sunfuel' process.
But you haven't actually *DONE* anything.
Graham
Riight... Since August I have signed up 2 billion tons of coal, 180
sq miles of solar collector land, and raised nearly $14 billion in
forward contract sales, hired dozens of major vendors, and hundreds of
smaller ones, gotten approvals for construction at the two sites,
along with rights of way and land for loading facilities, and I've
organized pilot production of the solar panels here in Ohio - and I've
organized a hydrogen flood in some spent oil wells here in Ohio - to
develop hydrogen storage - this on top of the dozens of prototype
solar systems, and the benchtop coal conversion systems I've built
over the past 12 years.
Yeah, that's pretty much nothing. haha..
NOT |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:30 am |
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On Jun 17, 4:31 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com>
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Quote: Willie.Moo...@gmail.com wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
hhc...@yahoo.com wrote:
Over the weekend CNN aired an interview with and expert on agriculture
-- The subject being eEthanol.
During the interview, he cited the fact that nearly all Ethanol is
today being produced from our domestic corn crop, and in 2006
accounted for 30% of the total corn market, and anticipated that
should the demand for Ethanol continue to grow, it will soon account
for 50% of our domestic corn production.
Using *corn* extensively to make motor fuel is uniquely daft.
Yes. This time, talent, capital, and fuel - for both operating the
capital, creating the fertilizers and supporting the farmers - are
better used growing food for a starving world.
There is no 'starving world'. Where famine does exist the reasons are normally
political.
There is growing global obesity though.
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http://www.globalpolicy.org/socecon/hunger/hungerindex.htm
So, it is your position that 800 million people are not malnourished
in the world today? And that 40,000 people per day do not die of
hunger?
Then you sire are a madman. Because that's precisely what's going on
in the world, and any decent person would want to do something to
correct the problem rather than pretend is isn't there. |
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| Bret Ludwig |
| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:17 pm |
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On Jun 18, 11:10 am, Don Lancaster <d...@tinaja.com> wrote:
Quote: Bill Ward wrote:
Reality check time - how many peak kWh of these panels have you actually
produced at that cost? At any cost?
More to the point: How many fully burdened conventional silicon net
energy pv panels have EVER been produced ANYWHERE by ANYONE?
Answer: ZERO.
The more conventional silicon pv panels that are installed and the
longer they run, the more gasoline they destroy.
This MAY eventually change with CIGS, Quantum Dots, and tetrapods, but
it flat out ain't gonna EVER happen with conventional silicon pv.
The way to get rich is to commonize the costs and privatize the
profits.
Oil is sold at a steep subsidy on the American market, because a
large part of the true cost of oil even at the per barrel price it is
today is leveraged down with a substantial portion of the American
military and foreign aid budgets.
Saudi Arabia is ruled by, as astonishing as it seems, a royal family
called the House of Saud.
Most of its members are stupid, vicious, venal and obsessed with
sex.
The House of Saud stays in power because of the American corporate
financial and military might which has its continued power in its
purview. Ordinary Saudis, although just as vicious, venal, sex
obsessed and probably slightly even more stupid, would love to see it
destroyed.
Saudi oil-because of its high quality and low cost to lift per barrel-
sets the price of oil worldwide. Other producing properties produce
lesser oils and/or feature much higher costs to lift and process to
the refinery.
Osama bin Laden has a dream. He wants $144/bbl oil, and its profits
distributed through a theocratic government to the Faithful. Of
course, Allah being busy revirginizing all those houris, He has
designated Osama as his viceregent.
Unless Americans start copulating and producing male infants at a
furious pace and grooming them to join the Army and get killed, from
an early age, there is no way short of nuclear annihilation of the
Arabs for the West to maintain the status quo. Osama bin Laden has
figured out the same thing the mestizo hordemasters behind La Raza and
MEChA have: Political power ultimately comes out of a barrel, but,
contra Mao, it's more pink than blue and smells more of herring than
Hoppe's #9.
Arab oil is going to get expensive, very expensive, and at that point
solar cells become a "compared to what" phenomenon. Solar cells are
affordable if they make a safe remote hideout possible when
multimillion-dollar Manhattan apartments are rubble. |
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| Fred Kasner |
| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 5:11 pm |
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Willie.Mookie@gmail.com wrote:
Quote: On Jun 17, 7:16 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com
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Fred Kasner wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Willie.Moo...@gmail.com wrote:
Bill Ward <b...@REMOVETHISix.netcom.com> wrote:
How many barrels of synthetic oil have you actually produced and sold
with that equipment?
I guess you could say I've sold on forward contracts nearly half a
billion barrels of fuels over a 20 year period. This represents about
1/10th percent of all the liquid fuels that will be sold worldwide
over that same period.
You're just making it up aren't you ?
Graham, note he did not answer the question asked.
Yes indeed. He replied with vague 'hypotheticals'.
He was asked about
how much synthetic oil he actually produced and sold made with the
described equipment. He answered a totally different question that was
not asked. The mark of a con man.
This is what it seems like.
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haha.. what would you have me say Graham? That I didn't make any oil
when I've made enough to define my process totally? That I haven't
sold any oil at all when I sold enough to build two massive
facilities? lol. I said quite specifically what I did and how I did
it and when I'd be in production.
Had you read the news in the New York Times or the Wall Street
Journal, rather than here on usenet you'd be totally geeked about it.
But you didn't so, you're not. That's all that's going on here.
Then I'll ask the question again. How much synthetic oil have you
actually produced and sold with the described equipment? I am not
interested in your claims about other sales on your part. Once again:
How much synthetic oil have you actually produced, and sold, with the
described equipment? If you are not prepared to answer THIS question
then you have branded yourself a con man.
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| Eeyore |
| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:45 pm |
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Fred Kasner wrote:
Quote: Once again:
How much synthetic oil have you actually produced, and sold, with the
described equipment? If you are not prepared to answer THIS question
then you have branded yourself a con man.
I thought he confirmed in his answer to me that the answer was none. He'd only
made demonstration quantities for the purpose of 'proving the method'.
Graham |
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| BradGuth |
| Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 4:41 pm |
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Alternative Fuels, the Dark Side and other things...
There's no mention of NOx. How can the atmosphere be consumed w/o
causing NOx?
Is this plot something intentional, to having excluded those pesky NOx
factors?
Isn't NOx any part of your "Dark Side and other things"?
Is the lean burning of such hydrogen and polluted air NOx free?
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