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| Gary Renzetti |
 Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 7:56 pm |
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"can_o_worms" <can_o_worms@bogus.com> wrote in message
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Quote: On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 14:41:15 -0700, Tim Bruening
tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
can_o_worms wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 03:15:35 -0500, "DoD" <navydave@excite.com> wrote:
"Tim Bruening" <tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
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Gary Renzetti wrote:
"Tim Bruening" <tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
news:4673236E.C7186C84@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us...
Hamas has taken over the Gaza Strip in the past few days. Since
the
Gaza Strip borders on Israel, and is much smaller than Israel and
Lebanon, and Hamas wants to wipe out Israel, why hasn't Israel
invaded
the Gaza Strip? I believe that if Israel did so now, while Hamas
is
consolidating its power, I believe that Israel would find it
easier to
dislodge Hamas than it would if it waits.
To what purpose, Tim? There are what, 1.5 million Palestinians in
Gaza?
What
are the izzies going to do with them if they re-invade the place?
Feed
them?
House them? Grant them izzie citizenship? If they invade and occupy,
Gaza
becomes THEIR problem. How is this in the zionists interest?
I am half expecting Hamas to declare an independent Palestinian state
and appealing to Arab nations to assist them in wiping Israel off the
map!
If they can get away with that and still get their welfare money, then
they
will try...
Nobody in the Middle East, other than Iraq now, gets more
tribute from Uncle Sugar's taxpayers than Israel and if any
Arab entity gets welfare it's for making nice with Israel.
Another suggestion: We and Israel offer to establish full diplomatic
relations
with the Hamas regime in Gaza, and help Hamas fight poverty, in return for
Hamas
renouncing terrorism and recognizing Israel.
I'm out on tribute or welfare to either side or handouts in the way of
military hardware but I know I'm not going to get my way on that since
U.S. defense contractors and AIPAC would diffuse any such
notions fast in the DNC and the pugs are out-sucking the Dems
when it comes to sucking Israel's weenie.
The rest sounds fair to me and it would diffuse a lot of critisisms
any time the Israelis have to retaliate for any BS....so long as they
use their Mirage-copy junk on their Palestinians instead of our
hardware......just considering the stateside image there somewhat.
That too CoW! If ANY other recipient of US military aid used it against
civilians, can you IMAGINE the outcry in the Excited States?
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| Gary Renzetti |
| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:05 pm |
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"Tim Bruening" <tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
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Quote: Solution to Palestinian conflict: Declare the Gaza Strip to be the
Islamic State of Gaza, declare the West Bank to be Palestine, and
declare Israel to be Israel.
And WHO compensates both Palestinian groups for their stolen homes and lands
within what is now called "isr-el"®? |
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| Gary Renzetti |
| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:11 pm |
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"Binyamin Cramer" <bennielovestruth@alltimes.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
"Tim Bruening" <tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
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Solution to Palestinian conflict: Declare the Gaza Strip to be the
Islamic State of Gaza, declare the West Bank to be Palestine, and
declare Israel to be Israel.
A significant part of the world would go with that, on the proviso the
yids withdrew their troops from the WB, and dismantled the illegal
settlements there.
The yids won't go for it however, as they have no interest in peace.
They need the Arabs as a common enemy to ensure they don't tear each
other's throats out.
Much truth in this post. The izzies use "the Arabs" in a similar manner to
the way that the Nazis used "the Jews". It is a universal bugbear to cover
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| Tim Bruening |
| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:58 pm |
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Gary Renzetti wrote:
Quote: "Tim Bruening" <tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
news:467458FB.194479DC@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us...
can_o_worms wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 03:15:35 -0500, "DoD" <navydave@excite.com> wrote:
"Tim Bruening" <tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
news:46739B3F.BA3467D5@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us...
Gary Renzetti wrote:
"Tim Bruening" <tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
news:4673236E.C7186C84@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us...
Hamas has taken over the Gaza Strip in the past few days. Since
the
Gaza Strip borders on Israel, and is much smaller than Israel and
Lebanon, and Hamas wants to wipe out Israel, why hasn't Israel
invaded
the Gaza Strip? I believe that if Israel did so now, while Hamas is
consolidating its power, I believe that Israel would find it easier
to
dislodge Hamas than it would if it waits.
To what purpose, Tim? There are what, 1.5 million Palestinians in
Gaza?
What
are the izzies going to do with them if they re-invade the place?
Feed
them?
House them? Grant them izzie citizenship? If they invade and occupy,
Gaza
becomes THEIR problem. How is this in the zionists interest?
I am half expecting Hamas to declare an independent Palestinian state
and appealing to Arab nations to assist them in wiping Israel off the
map!
If they can get away with that and still get their welfare money, then
they
will try...
Nobody in the Middle East, other than Iraq now, gets more
tribute from Uncle Sugar's taxpayers than Israel and if any
Arab entity gets welfare it's for making nice with Israel.
Another suggestion: We and Israel offer to establish full diplomatic
relations
with the Hamas regime in Gaza, and help Hamas fight poverty, in return for
Hamas
renouncing terrorism and recognizing Israel.
You'd even get me voting for that option, Tim! Two small caveats though. The
zionists have to renounce extra-judicial murders and have to release the TEN
THOUSAND (and that's a LOW estimate!) that they have locked up without
charge, trial, or definite sentence.
Fair enough?
Btw, fifty gets you a Shoveari turd it ain't gonna happen.
Can you assure me that none of those 10,000 are guilty of murder or other
serious crimes? Surely you aren't in favor of releasing murderers back to the
streets! |
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| Tim Bruening |
| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 10:00 pm |
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Gary Renzetti wrote:
Quote: "Tim Bruening" <tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
news:46746287.91CA6CB9@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us...
Solution to Palestinian conflict: Declare the Gaza Strip to be the
Islamic State of Gaza, declare the West Bank to be Palestine, and
declare Israel to be Israel.
And WHO compensates both Palestinian groups for their stolen homes and lands
within what is now called "isr-el"®?
I would suggest that Israel offer reparations to those Palestinians who agree to
waive their right to return to pre 1967 Israel. |
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| can_o_worms |
| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 11:25 pm |
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On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 20:56:00 -0400, "Gary Renzetti"
<lizgary@connection.com> wrote:
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Nobody in the Middle East, other than Iraq now, gets more
tribute from Uncle Sugar's taxpayers than Israel and if any
Arab entity gets welfare it's for making nice with Israel.
Another suggestion: We and Israel offer to establish full diplomatic
relations with the Hamas regime in Gaza, and help Hamas fight poverty,
in return for Hamas renouncing terrorism and recognizing Israel.
I'm out on tribute or welfare to either side or handouts in the way of
military hardware but I know I'm not going to get my way on that since
U.S. defense contractors and AIPAC would diffuse any such
notions fast in the DNC and the pugs are out-sucking the Dems
when it comes to sucking Israel's weenie.
The rest sounds fair to me and it would diffuse a lot of critisisms
any time the Israelis have to retaliate for any BS....so long as they
use their Mirage-copy junk on their Palestinians instead of our
hardware......just considering the stateside image there somewhat.
That too CoW! If ANY other recipient of US military aid used it against
civilians, can you IMAGINE the outcry in the Excited States?
We didn't make their Mirage junk and they make the J79 engines
that they stuff them with.
I'm sure they have ordinance that they could use on their Palestinians
but they like to use ours so they can drag us into their shit every
chance they get.....And the CONgresspersons at Knesset West are
all for that! |
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| Tim Bruening |
| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 1:07 pm |
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Yesterday in the Sacramento Bee, I read a story analyzing the Hamas
takeover of the Gaza Strip. According to the story, for nearly two
years, Palestinian President Abbas has been appealing to the U.S. and
Israel to provide the political, military, and economic support needed
to deliver tangible progress to the Palestinians. However, the U.S. and
Israel didn't provide much help. Why didn't the U.S. and Israel set up
a Palestinian development bank to bolster the Palestinian economy by
providing loans (including the type of micro loans that have helped
millions in the Third World) to Palestinian businesses? Why haven't
there been joint Israeli-Palestinian ventures?
In the summer of 2005, Israel unilaterally withdrew from the Gaza
Strip. It did not coordinate the withdrawal with Abbas or plan for the
aftermath. This allowed Hamas to claim credit for the withdrawal. Why
didn't Israel coordinate the withdrawal with Abbas so that HE could
claim the credit?
Abbas asked Israel for permission to reopen an airport near the Egyptian
border, begin building a port, and establish a healthy import-export
system for the Gaza Strip. None of that came to pass. Why didn't
Israel grant the necessary permission?
In early 2006, Hamas won control of the Palestinian parliament in an
election. Why didn't we congratulate Hamas and offer to help it carry
out its social programs in return for Hamas making peace with Israel?
Iran provided military aid to Hamas. The U.S. and Israel waited until
the end of 2006 to let Egypt send Abbas several thousand rifles. Israel
turned down several other Abbas requests for military support, fearing
that any weapons given to Abbas might leak to the wrong people. Also,
Israel fear that if it offered support to Abbas, his political support
would collapse.
The Bush administration did announce plans in late 2006 to provide $100
million to train Abbas' fighters, but many Congress people expressed
fears that the plan would fuel the nascent Fatah-Hamas civil war. After
Bush's security coordinator with the Palestinians told Congress that
there were hopeful signs that Abbas' forces could defeat Hamas, Congress
cut the plan in half. Why did Congress cut the training plan in half?
Three weeks later, before the aid could arrive, Hamas took over the Gaza
Strip.
I call for the creation of a bipartisan Israel-Palestine Study Group to
explore the above questions and figure out what to do now to bring about
peace between Israel and Palestine and undermine Hamas. |
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| Tim Bruening |
| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 1:07 pm |
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To bolster Palestinian President Abbas in his fight against Hamas, I
urge that the U.S. and Israel set up a West Bank Bank to provide loans
(including the type of micro loans that have helped millions in the 3rd
world) to Palestinian businesses, home buyers, and car buyers. |
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| Tim Bruening |
| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 1:07 pm |
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Now that Hamas rules the Gaza Strip, we should demand that they answer
the following urgent question: What will they do to reduce the Gaza
Strip's CO2 emissions? |
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| Tim Bruening |
| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:31 pm |
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Its my understanding that Hamas won the Palestinian election last year
in large part by promising better public services, honesty in
government, and an end to lawlessness. Hamas has just taken complete
control of the Gaza Strip, giving them an opportunity to implement that
program. I therefore urge that the West say to Hamas "To carry out your
promises to improve public services, end corruption, and end
lawlessness, you must have peace with Israel. We therefore call on you
to renounce violence, recognize Israel's right to exist, and
negotiate a peace treaty with Israel. If you agree to do so, we will
pressure Israel to freeze the settlements, and we will provide you with
economic assistance to help you achieve your domestic program. BTW,
Hamas, you would have a better chance of selling a peace deal than
Fatah, thanks to your excellent credentials as fighters against Israel".
I believe that the above message would have a better chance of winning
Hamas' cooperation than threatening it! |
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| Gary Renzetti |
| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:39 pm |
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"Tim Bruening" <tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
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Quote:
Gary Renzetti wrote:
"Tim Bruening" <tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
news:467458FB.194479DC@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us...
can_o_worms wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 03:15:35 -0500, "DoD" <navydave@excite.com> wrote:
"Tim Bruening" <tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
news:46739B3F.BA3467D5@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us...
Gary Renzetti wrote:
"Tim Bruening" <tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
news:4673236E.C7186C84@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us...
Hamas has taken over the Gaza Strip in the past few days. Since
the
Gaza Strip borders on Israel, and is much smaller than Israel
and
Lebanon, and Hamas wants to wipe out Israel, why hasn't Israel
invaded
the Gaza Strip? I believe that if Israel did so now, while Hamas
is
consolidating its power, I believe that Israel would find it
easier
to
dislodge Hamas than it would if it waits.
To what purpose, Tim? There are what, 1.5 million Palestinians in
Gaza?
What
are the izzies going to do with them if they re-invade the place?
Feed
them?
House them? Grant them izzie citizenship? If they invade and
occupy,
Gaza
becomes THEIR problem. How is this in the zionists interest?
I am half expecting Hamas to declare an independent Palestinian
state
and appealing to Arab nations to assist them in wiping Israel off
the
map!
If they can get away with that and still get their welfare money,
then
they
will try...
Nobody in the Middle East, other than Iraq now, gets more
tribute from Uncle Sugar's taxpayers than Israel and if any
Arab entity gets welfare it's for making nice with Israel.
Another suggestion: We and Israel offer to establish full diplomatic
relations
with the Hamas regime in Gaza, and help Hamas fight poverty, in return
for
Hamas
renouncing terrorism and recognizing Israel.
You'd even get me voting for that option, Tim! Two small caveats though.
The
zionists have to renounce extra-judicial murders and have to release the
TEN
THOUSAND (and that's a LOW estimate!) that they have locked up without
charge, trial, or definite sentence.
Fair enough?
Btw, fifty gets you a Shoveari turd it ain't gonna happen.
Can you assure me that none of those 10,000 are guilty of murder or other
serious crimes? Surely you aren't in favor of releasing murderers back to
the
streets!
If they are murderers, then do what civilized democracies do; which is
charge them, and either convict them if there is sufficient evidenceor
release them. If they are convicted, sentence them according to law. But to
hold ten thousand people and not even accuse them of a crime is
hostage-taking, pure and simple. |
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| Tim Bruening |
| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 7:09 pm |
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Its my understanding that Hamas won the Palestinian election last year
in large part by promising better public services, honesty in
government, and an end to lawlessness. Hamas has just taken complete
control of the Gaza Strip, giving them an opportunity to implement that
program. I therefore urge that the West say to Hamas "To carry out your
promises to improve public services, end corruption, and end
lawlessness, you must have peace with Israel. We therefore call on you
to renounce violence, recognize Israel's right to exist, and
negotiate a peace treaty with Israel. If you agree to do so, we will
pressure Israel to freeze the settlements, and we will provide you with
economic assistance to help you achieve your domestic program. BTW,
Hamas, you would have a better chance of selling a peace deal than
Fatah, thanks to your excellent credentials as fighters against Israel".
I believe that the above message would have a better chance of winning
Hamas' cooperation than threatening it! |
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